At 8/20/09 07:58 AM, squidly wrote:
Crink, I don't want another argument, so your reply to this will be ignored:
That's bull shit. You as the TO are responsible for handling all of your counter-arguments. It's like saying "I can say anything to you and you can't do anything back. I'm ignoring you now" Put up a good argument please.
SSB was the MOST balanced of the games, sure Pikachu had SOME balance issues, but you were able to win with ANY character in the game, it was more dependent on skill and utilising your characters advantages.
In Brawl in Melee, the problem was there WAS NO DISADVANTAGES TO TOP TIER CHARACTERS. That's why they were so inpentrable! Strong characters weren't slow, hell, SONIC WASN'T SLOW AND HE KICKS ASS.
eh sonic is somewhere in the middle. He has bad KO power. He simply has a very good game "tricking" the opponent. But he had very good players using him and representing him to boost his tourney winnings. Tier lists can change, they always do. Like... twice a year?
Bowser and other slow characters actually got NERFED (to the point that Samus's powered up blast can't do crap to somebody at 100%,) the balance was thrown WAY off. Mario was shot and killed, his perfect balance of speed and power was lost. Ike and Marth still had the strongest smash attacks, and still were decent speed.
Bowser is better in Brawl. But Samus was indeed nerfed to hell, as with Mario, although he was average at best in melee. Ike wasn't in melee, that was roy. Marth doesn't have the strongest smash attacks even when tippered. Also, Ike is slow.
NOBODY LEARNED ANYTHING. They just kept on screwing it up more and more. I do think you can win with anybody in the game, but in all honesty, it DOES get harder when you go deeper down the tier list. Crink, there's a reason Sakurai hesitated to accept working on Brawl when he was first asked, he KNEW that he would screw it up MORE, and guess what? He was right.
I only hope for SSB4 to fix itself up, not by cutting off all 34 characters (37 if you count transformations) I actually like that, I hope for MORE characters, but I hope that Sakurai invests MORE into the balancing team, they've been doing a shitty job.
I think most of us can agree on this. But it's asking a lot. also, Sakurai said he wouldn't want to make the next smash game. Maybe someone else can pick it up.
Slow characters should be strong.
Fast characters should be weak.
Medium speed characters should be somewhere in the middle.
High jumpers should have a bad ground game.
Low jumpers should have a better ground game.
That's how it's been for the history of fight games, and the balancing team needs to know it.
They just wanted to add in more stupid trivial things like SSE, stickers, stage builder, etc. What balance team? It seems like they tested "balance" by playing 4 player ffas with items on.
Also, to the guy that complimented me about walking out of the Bandwagon, don't worry, I'm used to it, I hate the Bandwagon.
The "bandwagon" on the video game forums is a bunch of misinformed retards. Although that's not to say that people who simply aren't "on the bandwagon" aren't idiots too.