At 11/28/09 12:24 AM, e-m-b-r-i-o wrote: yeah.. ReNaeNae I will be around for a bit... glad to be back .. thanks for the welcome...

@K > don't mind at all dude.. I would prefer it if you were more experienced your self, before you are able to REALLY crit someones stuff.. like it would probably throw more weight behind your points if you were older, and had honed your OWN skills a little more, know what I mean?
but it doesn't bother me if that's what you mean..

I'm gonna crit your crit now :)

1) use more words next time ( heh ) the scribbles, circles and illegible handwriting is really hard to understand.. :)

2) all the points that you related clearly are correct.. the eyes do look a lot alike, because that's my style.. I DO draw people , on average about 8 to 10 heads tall, I know its not realistic.. actually the most realistic anatomy I have done on here was on a cyclops :P .. look for it in my thread.. you will see I DO know how to draw realistic stuff, with proper anatomy.. but I choose to draw it like I WANT to..

art is supposed to be fun.. if I was going for realistic.. and if I was asking for crits, to help me out then you are absolutely right..

so thanks for the advice. I appreciate the time you took to look over my work.

BIG J!! thanks for the "Scout" dude....

I too appreciate your positive feedback, and i admit i used to think this was the greatest sketchbook ever. But i have seen allot of other works and well this doesnt come close to many other pieces.

As for being experienced i'm pretty certain i understand the mechanics of the human body better then you given that i have done more studies. Also i am younger, that part is true ( if your over 17 it is).. and i would say i am better then you with regards to anatomical knowledge and color theory, and i mean that in a friendly way not to be rude or brag.

1.) ill keep that in mind, the circles were just to point out what needs to be studied.

2.) actually its 7 heads tall, thats the average, 8 heads is a more heroic sized figure and 10 is a giant. Again, the stuff you claim as realistic isn't really as realistic as you think it is.

Perhaps all of the endless blind comments on here have reinforced an ego and confidence that is not up to par with what you know. Either way what im trying to convey in the most neutral tone is that you need to do more studies you seem to be a little too cocky and overconfident. Plus if you want to see some real realistic stuff just let me know.

Good luck

try to make sure that the clothing is believable, its about as much rendering as it is structure.
Also faces again look the same.

instead of explaining in words what i see wrong how about a picture crit.Things in circles stand out as wrong, do some studies with limbs, faces, the stomach, ribs, etc.

hope you dont mind

What the fuck is this, it's like pawing through shit looking for your keys. If there's SO MUCH that you feel need be improved, and you're DYING to tell him what they are, 'least make it more clear as to what they are. And mate, let's face it, half those really did not need pointing out. Now I see what LaserKarl had out for you. You're a turd.

also i dont give a shit what laserkarl thinks. :)

patience is a virtue

At 11/27/09 11:49 AM, EchoRun wrote:

At 11/27/09 03:17 AM, kr8to wrote: things you still need to work on

will do, i was really tired when i posted it, about 3:17am tired.

Anyway, lets start with the rain, they way you have it presented it appears to be more like silk strings or mucus hanging from the ceiling, you should probably leave out the rainfall and just keep the specs of dust they look good and give a sense of falling debris from the area above.

now with all the rocks and everything you gave them a 2d sort of painting, since they are 3 dimensional the extent of the light should be coming from the light source. with all the rocks you just painted the side of em and called it a day. it makes it confusing to understand where the light source is coming from. Also you gave them a real soft texture, Im not master at environments but i have done studies of enviros and other things and plus you can just tell that the soft texture doesnt make sense unless the rocks have some soft transparent hair on them.

The rocks in the foreground with the red lighting dont really make sense, once agian you just put some lighting on the sides of them and moved on. But on the side of the rock that should be facing the fire you gave them a attempt at 3d illusion, but since it was painting with the same shade of red the 3d illusion attempt isnt working.

Now the fire next to the dragon doesn't make sense. last time i checked there wasn't some sort of bright blinding white glow coming out of the base of a fire. Anyway lets move onto the outside of the fire. The ground next to it, is that shallow water? or solid ground. If its water why does it look like random vapor? if its solid ground its once again to soft and unless it has soft transparent hairs it doesn't make sense.

Now the dragon why is it throughout on shade? look at any object there are more then five repeating colors of the exact same shade. Basically copying the same scale again and again doesn't work. they're not even reacting to the fire or darkness.

Also the concept is really generic and boring, good effort but do some more studies for better results also do a few rough sketches or something before you jump into a piece it often helps. Do studies of lizards and/or environments and figure out what makes the things work.

things you still need to work on

At 11/27/09 01:04 AM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote: My picture I submitted to the castle collab, tell me what you think.

well besides everything not making sense, his knee and face are by far the most noticeably wrong features.

taking a little break between studies so brief replies if any, sorry if i give a real short reply to your comment, i read them all i promise, but im not really in the mood to re-read them all again.

orn: good point
nek: thanks, i didnt use reference
MC: good work though
po: yep
lk: sure there are different ways, but we arent the first people to ever draw, there are tried and proven ways. and dont think your the first to try approaching it differently.. you just havent heard of the other people because they probably didnt succeed.
n7: agreed
spag: yea, well no shit haha, i was unaware you could be a master in less then a year ;P thanks
kt: yep, give it time.

Download the books from ANDREW LOOMIS. just search on google Andrew loomis free download and download his books its great for beginners.

At 11/22/09 05:08 PM, Knocturne wrote: Well, I'm majoring in film and plan on working as a director, writer and editor.

I'm still in school and I work at a print shop as a graphic designer so I don't have much time to practice.

I don't have much time to practice. I don't have much time to practice.

However, next semester I'm going to take less courses so I can take some art courses, in particular, life drawing among other things.

hmm sounds like its too late for you unless you do some real turnaround. Well if you want to be a director or something thats fine, hope you have connections though. Also where are you attending college?

At 11/22/09 04:58 PM, J-qb wrote:

At 11/22/09 04:45 PM, Knocturne wrote: Why do you ask? How about that first. I don't want to get pulled into some discussion or fiery rhetoric.

He asks, because he thinks you dont practice enough. If you intend to become something art-related that thought would be justifiable. Thats why he asks.
The problem with making money from art is that you have to be very good to make that happen, and more so than in most other occupations, your pay depends directly on your skill

thank you. Jq-b. your very right. Don't confine yourself into one book and draw some kids running around the playground. Your only hurting yourself, if you crawl out of this bunker that it sounds like you have build and started working harder i would be more then willing to share resources with you, whether it be books, artwork, tutorials, etc. Dont compare yourself to the artwork on newgrounds, this isnt the epitome of artwork, not even close. Instead look at artists who worked on the concepts of famous movies like starwars, 300, etc. or people who did the artwork for video games. Or even successful illustrators who do their own thing and who appear to know allot about many subjects. Not just some lucky fella who found a rich fan.

At 11/22/09 04:14 PM, Knocturne wrote: I have a lot of dreams, right now I'm sorting out which one to concentrate on.

clarify please instead of dodging the question. Do your dreams include art? If so what do you want to be?

what exactly do you want to be when your older?

At 11/21/09 06:56 PM, Knocturne wrote: Well, I'm following the instructions in the book I bought, it works for me

and what book is that? is it just somenobody who made an art book? there are plenty of those out there. And following just one book is a stupid idea. But if you dont want to take my advice have fun hitting a cement wall when the time comes.

At 11/21/09 03:14 PM, Knocturne wrote:

At 11/20/09 06:14 PM, kr8to wrote: Do it more often then once i week too. i do many studies everyday as do all other future artists who want to be A list.

Err, the observational drawings I havebeen doing take hours to complete, I start with blocking usually with gesture and then I to get the proportions right and everything, it takes forever, especially when it's at the park, where the people are moving around.

I would prefer to finish one really good observational drawing than forty ten minute sketches.

I have been studying anatomy, it's part of the observations, I'm thinking about how things fit together, how much a muscle contracts and how a pupil reacts to change in light. I can also do without the well-to-do attitude. I know you're trying to help me improve but you're acting like I'm a child with a crayon, and you way isn't the only way.

hope your joking about the pupil part. anyway go get an anatomy book, i can link you too some good ones, and i wouldn't suggest going to the park. Go to a populated Starbucks or something where people dont move as much and draw their faces, arms, pose in the chair, etc. Learn structure and proportions before trying to learn muscles. Plus if your just looking at kids in the park your not learning where the muscles are, your just seeing the superficial ones like the biceps and calves etc. You need to find a balance between speed and quality, you would learn allot more from 10 quality sketches then one really good super long sketch. Im not treating you like a child with a crayon im treating you like a child with a pencil who wants to improve. i spend about 40 hours on a good week doing studies and reffed drawings, sure there are other ways, but dont think your the first person to ever pick up a pencil, there are tried and tested ways which succeed and fail. Its not like your marching onto unknown ground.

At 11/15/09 01:55 AM, Knocturne wrote: Just get an image of a model (hand, full body or whatever) and draw it as much as I can without looking at my paper too much, this book I bought said you become better at observing if you concentrate on portraying what you see, and don't look at the paper more than you need to.

Sometimes I'll draw outside at this little park near my house.

All in all, I only do it maybe once a week. For the colours of skin, I haven't really done much besides look at various skin tone palettes but I haven't done anything about it.

Right now, I'm trying to learn up about drawing machines and strengthen and impliment perspective.

erm, well what you should do instead of just staring at the picture figure out how things work. Get under the skin, hell get under the muscles and get the bones down, then figure out the muscles work and how they connect, proportions, etc. Learn how they react whether it be contract or expand. memorize the stuff then learn something else related to the body. Do it more often then once i week too. i do many studies everyday as do all other future artists who want to be A list.

At 11/14/09 11:52 PM, Knocturne wrote: What studies? Do you mean observational works? I'm not sure what you mean.

I've been working on colours and anatomy because the first couple of critics said I needed to work on it.

what have you been using to study anatomy? how often do you do it?

i think that you think that your really good at anatomy, skin colors, ect. I suggest you do more studies and less of this stuff, it will help.

Fine, you want a crit? tell me what is anatomically correct about this picture. Thats right.. nothing, so giving you a crit about anatomy you would undoubtedly say it was the Style you chose. Perhaps i could give you a crit on your colors, well no colors. So what are you looking for? asspatting?

Mmmhmm

At 11/9/09 11:58 PM, Enigma32 wrote:

At 11/9/09 11:52 PM, kr8to wrote: errr

Thanks for the criticism man, I see what you mean there. I guess I could just touch up on that, practice it a bit, and really work on it. You really helped me out there, thanks.

well i would give you crits but im sure some sort "style" counter would be used by you.

errr

You can't imagine? You don't have to look at my older posts!

i can tell from you work right here

At 11/8/09 10:59 PM, falz3333 wrote: well here is an update. I neglected to work on the pants. Sorry but I really prefer doing it by parts. Next one I promise everything will have a color

dont do things like this yet, i cant imagine you drawing a proper person on a level plane, drawing them at such angles were perspective also plays a part is defiantly to far ahead for you. Learn the form and you will be able to do that sort of stuff

At 11/8/09 06:08 PM, falz3333 wrote: newground's uploader stinks... everything looks 50 shades lighter

no excuses

Craig Mullins
John Singer Sargent
Wes Burt
Jason Chan
Iain Mccriag
Fheng Zu
Vermeer

any other suggestions?

skin color anatomy values are off, why are his eyes so angled?

At 11/7/09 10:13 PM, Pettyartist wrote: My gallery here on the 'Grounds

Would love to hear what you guys have to day, crit is wonderful as well. ;D <33

hmm not bad not bad, work on your anatomy and color theory those two are probably your weakest spots

At 11/7/09 06:56 PM, J-qb wrote:

At 11/7/09 05:32 PM, kr8to wrote: I do want to help people and i suck, im well aware of that.

seeing how you do want to help poeple I`ll give you some advice... If you give poeple advice, they will generally be more likely to accept it if you bring it "softly". so maybe try doing that next time

they will smile at it and move it aside. :)

Well, people want to see some recent work of mine so i suppose i will oblige.

Info about myself:

Im 17 years old, i have been drawing for less then 11 months as of now.
I started about December 20th last year not knowing anything about values, color theory, anatomy, perspective, etc. I joined a hardworking community got to know people and i was inspired by their work.

My older work from the start of my journey can be seen here
Work
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Work3
Work4
Work5

My most recent work as of when this NG post was written can be seen here
work6
work7
work8
work9
work10

My Philosophy:

I believe and know first hand that in order for someone to improve they needed to do studies, there is no "I'm perfect i don't need to study" person out there. The masters.. every last one of them from any time period kept studying and kept learning until the day they died, and even then didn't know everything.

Now i may be a rough critic but i only want the best out of people. Too many people here impose a facade of skill and mastery and they feel that they don't need to study, they feel they will be masters someday if the keep drawing from imagiation. Thats 100% and absolutely without argument WRONG. Ask any master who you look up to and view there work with amazement how they got there, they will tell you it takes PRACTICE. I have talked in person and online with leaders in the fine art and game art business and no less then 100% view studies as a required necessity. There is no argument there.

Grab a sketchbook and a peice of paper and do studies from life, whether its people, clothing, objects, environments, hell anything.

Look at art as any other subject, for example football, you can either A: be a player and screw around and just show up to high school games and not make it to college or the pro's.. or .. B: Constituently Work your ass off working out and learning, pushing yourself towards your dreams.

Thats how it works there is not other way its up to you and your commitment.

If you need help or advice send me a message i'm willing to help.

incase last image is blurry then link is here for higher quality.

At 11/7/09 05:09 PM, ReNaeNae wrote:

At 11/7/09 04:38 PM, kr8to wrote: Im sorry your a somebody? im humbled in your presence.

If your self-inflated ego wasn't so huge and getting in the way of reading, you'd know that I never commented on the op's work... good or bad... and I never said anything about myself... I'm not as arrogant as you are. I don't believe I'm all superior and know all there is to know about everything like you do. So get over yourself. If you want to help people, that's great. But you don't have to be such a colossal douche in the process.

I do want to help people and i suck, im well aware of that. But i have been working, i have been talking to pros, people who work for companies like blizzard, massive black, bungie, etc. I am repeating what they have said. I have been given advice directly from them for both my work and my effort. If i knew all i would have a sketchbook, i wouldnt be studying. So before you think im some huge douche with an equally large ego, im simply trying to get other people out of there Imaginative sketch rampages and into the "light" because i know for a fact firsthand, that studies = improvement.

I believe in "Put up, or shut up"
So instead of babbling about how I do know whatever it is I know, I can simply show it.
And I do study, I'm a college art student.

:D oo eee college art student? Please at least tell me you haven't attended the "Art Institutes" .
And do you study? well then cheers, but your not studying efficiently.
Tell me some things, how much time do you spend drawing a day (hours) how much of that time is done studying (hours), how long have you been drawing seriously, what do you use to study?

And dont lie