Fine, you want a crit? tell me what is anatomically correct about this picture. Thats right.. nothing, so giving you a crit about anatomy you would undoubtedly say it was the Style you chose. Perhaps i could give you a crit on your colors, well no colors. So what are you looking for? asspatting?

Mmmhmm

At 11/9/09 11:58 PM, Enigma32 wrote:

At 11/9/09 11:52 PM, kr8to wrote: errr

Thanks for the criticism man, I see what you mean there. I guess I could just touch up on that, practice it a bit, and really work on it. You really helped me out there, thanks.

well i would give you crits but im sure some sort "style" counter would be used by you.

errr

You can't imagine? You don't have to look at my older posts!

i can tell from you work right here

At 11/8/09 10:59 PM, falz3333 wrote: well here is an update. I neglected to work on the pants. Sorry but I really prefer doing it by parts. Next one I promise everything will have a color

dont do things like this yet, i cant imagine you drawing a proper person on a level plane, drawing them at such angles were perspective also plays a part is defiantly to far ahead for you. Learn the form and you will be able to do that sort of stuff

At 11/8/09 06:08 PM, falz3333 wrote: newground's uploader stinks... everything looks 50 shades lighter

no excuses

Craig Mullins
John Singer Sargent
Wes Burt
Jason Chan
Iain Mccriag
Fheng Zu
Vermeer

any other suggestions?

skin color anatomy values are off, why are his eyes so angled?

At 11/7/09 10:13 PM, Pettyartist wrote: My gallery here on the 'Grounds

Would love to hear what you guys have to day, crit is wonderful as well. ;D <33

hmm not bad not bad, work on your anatomy and color theory those two are probably your weakest spots

At 11/7/09 06:56 PM, J-qb wrote:

At 11/7/09 05:32 PM, kr8to wrote: I do want to help people and i suck, im well aware of that.

seeing how you do want to help poeple I`ll give you some advice... If you give poeple advice, they will generally be more likely to accept it if you bring it "softly". so maybe try doing that next time

they will smile at it and move it aside. :)

Well, people want to see some recent work of mine so i suppose i will oblige.

Info about myself:

Im 17 years old, i have been drawing for less then 11 months as of now.
I started about December 20th last year not knowing anything about values, color theory, anatomy, perspective, etc. I joined a hardworking community got to know people and i was inspired by their work.

My older work from the start of my journey can be seen here
Work
Work2
Work3
Work4
Work5

My most recent work as of when this NG post was written can be seen here
work6
work7
work8
work9
work10

My Philosophy:

I believe and know first hand that in order for someone to improve they needed to do studies, there is no "I'm perfect i don't need to study" person out there. The masters.. every last one of them from any time period kept studying and kept learning until the day they died, and even then didn't know everything.

Now i may be a rough critic but i only want the best out of people. Too many people here impose a facade of skill and mastery and they feel that they don't need to study, they feel they will be masters someday if the keep drawing from imagiation. Thats 100% and absolutely without argument WRONG. Ask any master who you look up to and view there work with amazement how they got there, they will tell you it takes PRACTICE. I have talked in person and online with leaders in the fine art and game art business and no less then 100% view studies as a required necessity. There is no argument there.

Grab a sketchbook and a peice of paper and do studies from life, whether its people, clothing, objects, environments, hell anything.

Look at art as any other subject, for example football, you can either A: be a player and screw around and just show up to high school games and not make it to college or the pro's.. or .. B: Constituently Work your ass off working out and learning, pushing yourself towards your dreams.

Thats how it works there is not other way its up to you and your commitment.

If you need help or advice send me a message i'm willing to help.

incase last image is blurry then link is here for higher quality.

At 11/7/09 05:09 PM, ReNaeNae wrote:

At 11/7/09 04:38 PM, kr8to wrote: Im sorry your a somebody? im humbled in your presence.

If your self-inflated ego wasn't so huge and getting in the way of reading, you'd know that I never commented on the op's work... good or bad... and I never said anything about myself... I'm not as arrogant as you are. I don't believe I'm all superior and know all there is to know about everything like you do. So get over yourself. If you want to help people, that's great. But you don't have to be such a colossal douche in the process.

I do want to help people and i suck, im well aware of that. But i have been working, i have been talking to pros, people who work for companies like blizzard, massive black, bungie, etc. I am repeating what they have said. I have been given advice directly from them for both my work and my effort. If i knew all i would have a sketchbook, i wouldnt be studying. So before you think im some huge douche with an equally large ego, im simply trying to get other people out of there Imaginative sketch rampages and into the "light" because i know for a fact firsthand, that studies = improvement.

I believe in "Put up, or shut up"
So instead of babbling about how I do know whatever it is I know, I can simply show it.
And I do study, I'm a college art student.

:D oo eee college art student? Please at least tell me you haven't attended the "Art Institutes" .
And do you study? well then cheers, but your not studying efficiently.
Tell me some things, how much time do you spend drawing a day (hours) how much of that time is done studying (hours), how long have you been drawing seriously, what do you use to study?

And dont lie

At 11/7/09 05:16 PM, ReNaeNae wrote:

At 11/7/09 04:44 PM, kr8to wrote: Could you define practical use?

Those who can, do... those who can't, teach.

Based on your attitude and posting style ...you're gonna make a shitty teacher someday.

and where do people who cant do or teach fall under?

Also orney i meant that being 100% reliant on tools leads to failure, not using them for things here and there.

-Sighs-

what am i supposed to be impressed? Study

-Sighs-

At 11/7/09 04:27 PM, ReNaeNae wrote:

At 11/7/09 04:10 PM, kr8to wrote: well another way is to learn values, sure you can use the gradient tool, but are you really learning anything? no not really. Of course there different styles but i assume you want a realistic version and unless you learn values no tool is going to bring you to that level.

You can learn and study all you want, but if you can't put it to practical use, what good is it? People learn different things in different ways... and in my experience, the most effective is hands-on. Learn by doing. So, yeah... really... use the gradient tool.

Could you define practical use? In my experience understanding something makes the difference and yes there are different ways of learning something, but they lead down two different roads, one to success the other to failure. Now im not saying your method is a failing method but just using tools and not understanding how things works is unarguably one step closer to failure.

At 11/7/09 04:29 PM, ReNaeNae wrote:

At 11/7/09 03:44 PM, kr8to wrote: Tell you what...

LMFAO!! Who gives a rats ass if you're impressed or not. No one here needs to prove shit to you. You're a nobody and your opinion is worthless. Now shoo!! Run along little troll, run along.

...your attempt at 'tough love' is almost as laughable as your unwarranted arrogance... almost.

Im sorry your a somebody? im humbled in your presence, Maybe if you shut your mouth for a second and let me get this kid to start doing studies and understand that he has allot of work to do then perhaps just perhaps it will all be worth it. But when soft pussies like you come in and say hes a good little boy and he is great how he is, then he will fail. So who is the real troll? the person demanding work or the "somebody" who tells him its ok his work is good enough?

Get your head out of your ass and let him stand on his own two feet. I will be more then willing to help him improve.

At 11/7/09 04:03 PM, purpleorange wrote:

At 11/7/09 04:00 PM, falz3333 wrote:

Sorry, I don't know how to phrase what I'm trying to say.

I wasn't really interested in breaking out a full set and going over board. The drawing itself was always meant to be simple, and having the blood being the only colored thing helps it stand out.
Makes it more significant, ya know?

Well if your intention was shit we still don't care much for it.

Okay what's your problem man? Have you ever heard of the "Simplistic" art style? By leaving it simple your add complexity to whats there. Including only a little line art makes the expression significant, and by using only one color the blood is emphasized too.
It was an artistic choice, not a lack of enthusiasm.
Dick.

Shut up.. it wasnt a style but it was lack of your skill. By leaving it "simple" it still needs to be good in whats there.. your "line art" was poor and uninteresting, you didnt even draw the eye right. Now before you start building up a wall how about you draw a picture right and stop shooting down help.

At 11/7/09 03:51 PM, ReNaeNae wrote: I'm assuming you're using flash, so ...become one with the gradient transform tool... once you know how to use it, you can manipulate and customize gradients to get all kinds of effects! I can help you out if you have aim or msn.

This is an old image done in flash using gradients and alpha's.

If you want the .fla file, let me know and I'll pm the link.

well another way is to learn values, sure you can use the gradient tool, but are you really learning anything? no not really. Of course there different styles but i assume you want a realistic version and unless you learn values no tool is going to bring you to that level.

Tell you what i want to see you draw from this skull spend less then 1 hour on it show me what you got, then i want you to also show me your best imaginative character.

I'll do the same, then once i see your work i will clearly either
A: be blown away and never return to newgrounds
B: Destroy your work and shove in your face that you need to do studies and make you stop acting like your some great artist.

hows that? i'll be waiting.

At 11/7/09 01:58 PM, ornery wrote: Have you ever looked at a skeleton?

Or were you not even making a faintest attempt at being remotely realistic?

Mmmm my thoughts exactly

eeeeeeew this is the super furry version of nibru

Lame

the head feet and arms need work on the last ones the chest on the person laying down looks good though

show me your "Best" work, its going to look the same as your doodles bro.. just because you may spend more time on something it doesnt mean your just magically going to understand values or depth.

I can back up my stuff, back yours up.

At 11/6/09 07:29 PM, gmanthesandwhichking wrote:

At 11/6/09 06:54 PM, kr8to wrote:

To gmanthesandwhichking:
You show that you have a good eye for form, if you haven't just traced these. The ratchet is nicely shaded also. It would be nice to see something you've drawn from your head or from real life though. It might be fun to redraw your favourite characters and other imagery, but you wont learn that much from it. If you want to improve you should draw something of your own. :)

Keep at it.

laserkarl your a moron, its evident that he has no idea how to shade or any idea how to apply values, and your improvement advice is also absolutely retarded, how the hell is he suppose to learn anything if he "draws from his head". Clearly your not speaking from experience.

DONT draw from your "head" draw from life whether its a sock laying on the floor or a interesting figure on a table. Learn your values and learn to reach the appropriate shades needed. First you need to work with your values and line control, put your rachet and clank stuff away and start pumping out studies and not spewing out trash.

Sorry for being a dick but laserkarl is a retard.

Ok, um, well now its time for me to be an asshole. ok, these are just random doodles i do in my free time in under an hour. I can draw so much better than this stuff, so yeah, i just like to see what people think of my doodles and rough sketches. I draw from my head because i have an imagination, i like to draw "out of the box". There is no super mega death ray in real life, i just thought of it and put it down on a piece of paper. Oh, and by the way, I do know how to shade stuff and add values, a-hole.

Lol thens lets see your "better stuff" and imagination you say? half your work is ripped from game covers and other peoples "imagination". Dont bullshit me with the fact that you know how to shade and understand values, get off your ass and start doing STUDIES your not impressing anyone with your unsupported claims.

ill do a quick paint over to get the idea across
You need to push em values, its so flat that i could hardly tell the parts apart

To gmanthesandwhichking:
You show that you have a good eye for form, if you haven't just traced these. The ratchet is nicely shaded also. It would be nice to see something you've drawn from your head or from real life though. It might be fun to redraw your favourite characters and other imagery, but you wont learn that much from it. If you want to improve you should draw something of your own. :)

Keep at it.

laserkarl your a moron, its evident that he has no idea how to shade or any idea how to apply values, and your improvement advice is also absolutely retarded, how the hell is he suppose to learn anything if he "draws from his head". Clearly your not speaking from experience.

DONT draw from your "head" draw from life whether its a sock laying on the floor or a interesting figure on a table. Learn your values and learn to reach the appropriate shades needed. First you need to work with your values and line control, put your rachet and clank stuff away and start pumping out studies and not spewing out trash.

Sorry for being a dick but laserkarl is a retard.

you need to work on your values and rendering

ok, well im going to be frank this isnt a dick comment or anything but perhaps you should put it away. If you want it to be perfect then go buy an anatomy book and learn your anatomy stuff, learn values and colors, etc. Because there is no amount of tips that newgrounds could ever give you that would make your picture better without you going out and learning your shit.

best of luck

YOUR EDGES ARE TOO SOFT cmon now look at the picture.. surely you can see the difference :/

put away what ever program your using grab a pencil and sketchbook and start drawing from life.