At 7/22/09 02:09 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 7/17/09 11:09 AM, Ericho wrote: I recently got myself a full set of the state coins that were started way back in 1999. Does anyone know how much those things are worth speaking of selling things on eBay and the price of valuable items nowadays?

Are you talking about the US State Quarters ?
The US state Quarter Program 1999-2008 produced 50 quarter dollar coins with special designs honoring each State.

There was also one struck for Washington DC. It is less common but I have seen it. Also, US Mint has plans to put out a collection, similar to the US States and DC, of the US national parks. Just put in my two cents. Late.

Sorry, could we just let this thread die? After this, no more posts please. I am sure that "lib's" mean well and are just trying to promote tolerance. Also, I guess that there is nothing wrong with judging people because, as stated, it is human nature. We do it and we can't help it. I am sure "lib's" understand this and don't literally mean you shouldn't judge but that what you think of someone should not affect how you behave in front of them. Everyone should be treated with respect, which is what I am trying to do here. With all due respect, this thread is fairly degrading to this forum. Better served in the General forum. Please do not honor it anymore life. Please. Thank you. Late.

At 7/15/09 01:59 AM, SolInvictus wrote: i'm wondering if we should shift this back to what i was originally hoping to discuss or not since the ban on burqas is a fairly interesting and controversial one, even though not quite what i wanted the focus to be on.

Sorry, Sollnvictus. Kind of looks like it is not going to happen. Besides "Treat The Disease, Not The Symptoms" is obvious. That is actually what you should do. Whether it be literally or figuratively. For medicine or social issues or whatever. The issue about burqas seems to be a lot more interesting.

My two cents:
So, they want to ban females for wearing something that they are banned against removing? Well, isn't that just as bad in the first place? Besides, outside of the real hardcore places in whatever Islamic countries, women know that if they do not want to wear something they don't have to. I mean, I doubt the arm of the homeland reaches all the way to an office building in France right? And forget about Islamic relatives or neighbors or whatever. They left that country for a reason so I do not see any real pressure on the women to keep wearing burqas from any of these people. Lastly, WHAT ABOUT THE WOMEN WHO WANT TO WEAR THEM!! For a women to wear a burqas is for her to show her subservance to god (her god I guess). Banning this opens up a whole different can of worms. Basically, I see women with burqas marching in the streets against the ban and claiming that the government/state/whatever is hating on their gender/race/religion/whatever. It just doesn't make sense to BAN the burqa as a form of attire. If I am wrong or you need any clarification from me please let me know. Late.

At 7/14/09 11:44 PM, poxpower wrote: Don't forget lesbians

I don't know if I can be serious here...
No, no I can't. Sorry.

At 7/13/09 09:04 PM, StephanosGnomon wrote:

At 7/13/09 08:56 PM, YuanYan wrote: Is it just me, or have there been MORE of those commericals laterly? They've been around forever but it seems like these last few months, they're everywhere.

It's not just you, it's exactly what I'm talking about. Two or three years ago (maybe less) you might see an advertisement like that once in a blue moon. Now they're EVERYWHERE, and all these companies (as more and more have been sprouting up) want you to do is throw your gold into a "secure" bag and mail it to them for cash. Without an appraisal from a qualified jeweler in-person, how can that sort of transaction ever be considered legit or trustworthy?

Anyway, I dunno, it seems really really fishy to me. Businesses are obviously out to make a profit, and if they're so enthusiastic about offering cash for gold then it must mean that the gold is where the true value is, not the cash.

Yeah, it is a huge scam. Basically there is the market value for gold. Normal pawn shops and such will pay you no more than 75% of this, ever. Most likely you are looking at 50% from these shops that everyone know is a rip off. Nowadays you could take a picture yourself and post it online at one of the many reputable online stores or even take it to a sellitonebay store and get closer to 80%+ for your money. The cash4gold companies that want you to securely mail in your stuff and they send you "cash" never make any promises on how much. There are two options. You can either get a direct deposit into your bank account for whatever they offer and you have no chance to get your stuff back or they will send you a check and if it is not to your likeing you must file for a refund within 3 days or your stuff is gone forever. I did some research and I haven't found one case of anyone being offered more than 20% the actual value in gold. For those that asked for a direct deposit, there stuff was gone forever. For those that asked for a refund, they instead got a notice saying something like, "OH WOW! We checked out your stuff again and its asked worth much more. You can get X more money this one time or go ahead and file for the refund again. This new amount they offer you is about 50% the actual value so even though pawn shops are a ripoff, you can get more money from them than from any of these other places.

At 7/14/09 01:06 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 7/13/09 05:18 PM, Proteas wrote: Just a thought, don't rake me over the coals for it.

;;;
First off, you can't eat gold or silver or any bullion....well you could eat it but it isn't going to do you any good.
But gold or any 'Stock' is a PIECE OF PAPER !
You can't eat that either, so gold stocks are as usful as paper monety is...which means its worth nothing when speaking about Zimbabwean dollars now. What has happened to their money can happen to any money.
So if you want to buy gold or silver, palladium or platinum... Buy the damn metal & hold onto that, it will still have value when a fiat monetary system breaks down.

Always remember a stock certificate for say a hundred bucks or a hundred dollar bill is actually a 'promise to pay' it is very similar to a check in that sense. If you do not have the confidence of those who hold or use your 'currency' its value goes down & you lose. Same with a 'gold certificate', how do you know they actually hold actual bullion to back up your 'piece of paper' saying they do ?

The saying "it isn't worth the paper its printed on" comes from bad stocks & bonds. That has never happened to bullion. Sure its price has & does fluctuate...it has never been worth nothing, if the great depression & the latest world banking crisis has taught you nothing else it should be that an actual asset is worth more than a stock certificate .

I think that the, "a stock is only a piece of paper" idea is understood already. Please correct me if I am wrong but it seems like the OP is asking specifically about the value of gold during disaster. Answer to this is well known. At first, price of gold, along with everything else will dip, but right after, GOLD SPECIFICALLY, will shoot up. I think the basic idea of what happens has already been discussed earlier...

Here it is:

At 7/13/09 06:04 PM, TheReno wrote: ... in a huge economic depression ... When the rich see that they are still rich, they will buy gold. Now with low demand gold mining stops and the supply is at a stand still, so the rich buy this up (if slowly) and cause supply to go down. Guess what, now gold stocks will be on the rise.

Yeah, I am sure there is a solid explanation out there, if you find it please post a link, but this helps for anyone who gets the basic ideas of supply and demand. Late.

It may just be that I am looking at it the wrong way but some of the arguments here against a global currency is that the poorer countries would bring the value of it down. Well, the only way we assess strength and weaknesses is by comparing them to other currencies. With a global one there is nothing else to bring it down or up right? We would have to set an exchange rate for every current currency and once everyone has the same currency there is no comparison. Please correct me if I am wrong and let me know if you need me to clarify. Late.

Huh, I hadn't even seen that another RAB had come out. I'm on my way there. Late.

At 7/12/09 02:40 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:

At 7/12/09 02:37 PM, Ismael92 wrote: If it was for a better efficiency, then it can't be bad :)
Thanks for keeping us updated ;)

by "better efficiency" I really meant I dumped my coffee all over the medals system and had to take it apart for cleaning

Nice, should we assume this is way everything gets updated at one point or another ;) Late.

At 7/10/09 06:49 AM, Korriken wrote:

At 7/10/09 06:44 AM, poxpower wrote: This can't possibly be as retarded as you make it sound.

never EVER underestimate human stupidity.

Agreed.

At 7/10/09 06:52 AM, RubberTrucky wrote:

At 7/10/09 06:44 AM, poxpower wrote: This can't possibly be as retarded as you make it sound.

It is. I can provide this article, but it's Dutch so you might not be able to read it.

Here is the best Dutch to English translation for those of you who can't read Dutch. Late.

Alright, nice man. Sorry its been so long since I have posted. How far along are you now? When was the next reset supposed to be? I think it would be a good idea to have it as a reference for all the old players that wanted to start up on a clean slate. Updates on Blizzcon when I get them. Late.

Wow, MJ flash did very well. All submissions were really good today. Keep up the good work guys. Late.

Yeah, it would be lame if we couldn't get at least a small group going for D2 but I am mainly just trying to spark interest right now. I know if I can do this successfully then when D3 finally gets unveiled at blizzcon *fingers crossed* we will have an influx of fans that want in. You really need to contact blizzard about your muting thing. I haven't logged into Bnet in a little bit so I wouldn't be able to help you out right now but you should at least look at the help and FAQ while you are waiting for their response. "Classic leveling"? If you mean Tristam until 15, cows till 20, then toms until 25, then yeah. Best route to go. After that just do baal runs until 40 and then hell chaos and hell baal runs. Should be able to get 85+ in a considerable weekend of play. Honestly the most time consuming part is the leveling from 1-25. Even thought levels 85+ do take a while they are infinitely more rewarding. Late.

At 6/25/09 07:41 AM, lolzk wrote:

At 6/25/09 06:45 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: -How could influences be proved? What's stoppuing people from lying about it?

Hard question, but it is hard to prove things aint it. :D

Reminds me of a funny South Park episode. Read up on the plot. You will get it. Late.

At 6/25/09 04:31 PM, simonshragna wrote: @Victory Racism isn't just against minorities, it is against all minorities existing in a certain area, in this case it's about the muslims in the world.
And BTW minorities means also people who don't have much money or something.

I think he was referring to how the guy said racist when Islam is not actually a race but religion. Also, you do not just have to be discriminating against the minority race to be racist, any discrimination based on any race, whether they are the geographic majority or minority, is racism. Check out the links. I hope they don't go against my point. Late.

... How could I have missed foamy? On my way. Late.

Fourth 5 hour collab got 4th. All the submissions were great today. Keep up the good work guys. Late.

Sorry, please no more analogies. They are all too long. I don't believe a two-state solution will work either but please just state your reasons why in plain English. It is too late and my head hurts too much. Thank you so much. Late.

At 6/24/09 11:48 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 6/24/09 11:44 PM, killxp wrote: You guys know this was used in the anarchy thread by poxpower already?

Haha yes I took it from here.
I GOTTA GIVE CREDIT.

" you shouldn't trust anyone"

Baloney!

At 6/24/09 01:31 PM, TheAmateurAnimator wrote: Have you read Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark?" He invented the kit in that book, if I'm not mistaken, and the whole book is about the the virtue of skepticism and the importance of scientific thinking. It's a very good read!

Any way to read it or download it online (legitimately as per all NG rules, terms, conditions etc). I already made a trip to the library this week and I am too lazy to even search the database ahead of time to see if they have it. Thanks in advance. You guys know this was used in the anarchy thread by poxpower already? Saw the video there first but will still look up the book. Late.

At 6/24/09 06:17 PM, stafffighter wrote: I beleive that a lot of this comes from the resurge of the steriotype after France wanted no part of the Iraq war. Remember freedom fries? This enforced them as cowardly even though most of the damn world wanted no part of it. I remember Conan joking that you know you're in trouble when Germany doesn't want to go to war. (steriotypes again) So in the sake of hyper-patriotism we needed someone to be better than. There you go.
Personally I'm an American who's very proud of his French heritage. France has been home to a lot of amazing people and achievments.

Yeah, pretty much nailed the reason for the msot recent wave of feelings, at least from the US, towards the French. It was all from their reluctance to join the "War on Terror" when that war focused its efforts in Iraq. Yeah, no other country wanted a part of it, but, as mentioned before, there was always this rivalry between the English and the French with stemmed out to the UK and the French. When the US chose its target, it chose well as none of the other major contenders would be willing to back up the French because of petty rivalries of the past and in inaction they all pretty much just ganged up on them. If you are French spend more time here. Late.

At 6/24/09 09:43 PM, jonnyrules935 wrote: Today, June 24th, is the Saint-Jean Baptiste, which is kind of like the 4th of July for Americans. We québécois celebrate our cultural particularity throughout the province. Every year I re-realize how proud we actually are to be so different, and it always brings me the following questions : Why aren't we a country yet ? Why shouldn't we be a country ? What does the Canadian unity bring to Québec that couldn't be gained otherwise ?

So today I ask all the Canadians what they really think Canada as a unity brings to their province.

Do you mind letting the rest of us in on the specifics here? I know you are reaching out only to Canadians and I understand why you may do this but you may get more, even quality, feedback if you try to get the rest of us to relate. Also, could you translate the quote in your sig? Thanks in advance. Late.

At 6/24/09 05:53 AM, hammerbro44 wrote: i think you should be punished because if the murderer wasnt punished then theyll think they wont ever get punished and do it again and like you said your environment affects you so the jail time will affect the rest of your life hopefully in a good way

Do you believe that those who influenced you directly should be held to any level of accountability? Or at least, do you believe that there should be someone who looks into what influences someone may or may not have had? I remember a case a while back when a 7 year old or something drove his parents car around all on his own. He loved playing racing games and learned the basics. There wasn't any accident and I forgot the specifics but it turns out that the child, even if anyone wanted to (which they didn't), could not be prosecuted because he was under the minimum age limit for being found guilty of driving without a license. If someone could find this article, please post it for us here. The million dollar question is... if there was an accident (and I suppose if he was also in the minimum age to be prosecuted) who would you find guilty? Not the child I hope. Most definitely you would look at the parents for negligence or something and if you could make a good case you may even go for the video game producer. Either way, I believe you would not rest judgment solely on the child, or even the parents in this matter. Let me know what you think. Late.

At 6/24/09 08:52 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote: 2009 Iranian Election Protest

:...LOTS OF STUFF HERE...

I like how this is just like your latest news section on your profile. Way too much stuff on Iran. I get that everyone is worried about get blasted into oblivion but how long until that is even a possibility for Iran? And once they are at least capable how many decades behind the US are they in their technology? What are the numbers when it comes to the US missile defense system? If you can answer these or even parts of questions please do so. From what I remember, the last time we tested our missile defense system (using duds) we did not fail once. In fact, I don't think we have ever had even one possible exposure. Missile defense system is a lot better than most people think ( if anyone even knew it existed that is). Think about it. Do the research. Late.

At 6/23/09 10:47 PM, ThoArtNoobish wrote: Got that Fool damn (=

So you basically just copied text and pasted it into here huh? Or did you actually read the previous posts? Doesn't look like it because you aren't referring to what they have mentioned. Thanks for you input anyways. Late.

At 6/24/09 05:01 PM, Lkoz91 wrote: I just started playing LOD again too. I'm a level 25 ice sorc planning to go orb on USEast. Only problem is my cd key got muted.

Alright, character sounds good. Looks like you got a bit of a way to go. Do you like to get rushed and level up quick or do you mostly level up on your own? Why did your key get muted? If it is completely unusable I can PM you a site where you can get a clean one for really cheap. Also know of a few places that have great guides of the orber. How long has it been since you played? They may have quite a few differences to your plan based off of the updates. Let me know if you want this club to keep going and what you thought of the complete revival I mentioned earlier. Have fun. Late.

At 6/24/09 03:07 AM, esko-man wrote: I figure if I'm going to ask any group of people, it ought to be you guys in the political forum. If you've been on youtube recently you may have seen the blue bar across the top reading "Breaking News:" linking to a "citizen tube".

Better luck adding onto this thread. Already started just a bit before you but the title was very ambigous. Late.

At 6/23/09 01:08 AM, Celx-Requin wrote: Alright,

What former party leaders do you folks feel are most similar to their current counterparts?

I would say Harper is closest to R.B Bennet, both considered red tories, under similar circumstances.

Dion was closest to Alexander M, since they were both honest, yet extremely inept...

And Iggnatif is closest to M King since they both have made statements that have a strong ambiguity to them.

Lastly Elizibeth May closely resembles that worthless female priminister Kim C.

Your comparisons?

- Celx

Do you mind posting some links as information sources? I may be able to do it myself but I would like to know where you would recommend and I'm lazy. Late.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. Any business will do almost anything to widen their profit margin. Late.

At 6/24/09 02:18 AM, BrianEtrius wrote: You know, I've seen this argument in court. You know what it gets you? A Go Directly to Jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

Very true, completely agree. Here is what lolzk posted at the end, which is what I want to focus on.
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::My point is that who should be truely punished, me? or the people that taught me to act like that, or on an even bigger level the influences that have effected those people that have effected me.
::
To answer the first part, read what BrianEtrius wrote in the post above. It seems that the way you worded this last part was that you did not believe this so, to you, the above post did not strike a chord. But that is the way it is, you do the crime you do the time (or something like that), but what can be a serious political topic to debate is this. Should the influences you spoke off, be held to any level of accountability? Sure, the video game example provided was a bit crude but along those lines should we not only punish the person committing the crime (second degree murder I believe in the video game example, because it wasn't planned out it was spur of the moment) but the person or body that was a direct influence in the crime (third degree murder in the above case). Whether it is a video game, prescription drugs, TV, or whatever. If it can be shown that a person died because of some negligence or accident on your end, even if you didn't mean for the person to die, you could be found guilty for third degree murder. Maybe if someone could expand off of the idea of personal accountability (jail time) for an impersonal entity (video game industry etc.)

At 6/24/09 02:51 AM, Dalaran2007 wrote:

At 6/24/09 02:30 AM, animehater wrote: The thing is; Iran is just plain more important than those places right now.

The other places didn't even get proper coverage when things were actually happening.

This is definitely true. Too late to find any specifics now but you have to admit that the US gives special attention to Iran. Late.