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At 9/25/03 12:22 AM, Dagodevas wrote:

At 9/25/03 12:14 AM, Swiffness wrote: LMAO!!! That's right, the Copywrite laws are SCRIPTURE. Why don't you arrest all 100,000,000 of Kazaa's users?

The purpose of the Copyright laws are to, like all laws, protect all the people. If an artist wants to sell his/her/their work, than NOTHING gives you the right to distribute it freely without permission.

Correct, "protect ALL the people" ..so music audio doesn't carry a copyright notice (it's not a recorded test message at the start of every song) so if the suggested "Global Pirating" were seen in a context of a growing percentage of royalty free audio (like NG Audio Portal represents) ..easily over 10% of all downloads, and how would one distinguish original re-mixing as being either legal or illegal?

There is a point at which all audio techniques a remix on a previous theme. Music is about the spirit of the soul, not lawsuits and criminality.

"..da-da-da dum!" ©NG2003

At 9/24/03 04:21 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: So far i believe the total WMD found is *fanfare(

...0

Will we ever find any? Do correct me if i'm wrong. I did just see on the news that we found none.

correct! The Iraq Survey Group's interim report (not released in the US yet, but due to be released next month) has been leaked and reported by BBC which concludes; "that it is highly unlikely that weapons of mass destruction were shipped out of the country to places like Syria before the US-led war on Iraq."

moreover, the report will say its inspectors have not even unearthed "minute amounts of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons material"

in essence; Bush and Co. have been duped by an elaborate plan to mis-represent WMD development, a bluff that was swallowed hook-line and sinker.

other Iraq Survey Group stats:

-Took over WMD hunt from the US military in June.

-between 1300 and 1400 staff including former UN weapons inspectors.

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so what else would convince Bush or UNpossible???

At 9/24/03 03:34 PM, dudeitsallama wrote:

Education is necessary and mandatory. If you don't like it, TOUGH!

what you mean is; One size fits all!
Exactly what's wrong with State Education. They spend the first 18 years trying to make a pack of like minded clones; Same curriculum, same tests, same projects and homework and essay topics. Then they spend the next five years trying to make us "Specialists" (ie. even more narrow minded!) ...highly astute in 1 field of research. Just what we need to survive the real world?! NOT!

I'll never forget my best highschool assignment; we were asked to write a piece of science fiction (no restrictions) so i wrote one of my best pieces of creative text up until that point.
We had a substitute teacher, and read our essays to the class. Mine was "way out there" about a hobo who slipped into another dimension where he met a Devil figure who tried to explain something of the worlds and images and concepts outside of our narrow reality. When the hobo "awoke" from this dimension-slip, he noticed physical evidence that it hadn't been just a dream!

I got a C- because the teacher said "it wasn't set in teh future"

>:(

i'm glad we're getting this Bomb thing sorted once and for all </sarky>

At 9/24/03 06:50 AM, Mooey wrote: Microsoft dont things that will lose them money, theres something going on, there must be.

yes, subscription memberships, MSN moderatorship certification, microsoft passport gateway to .NET intrastructure, and then they ask congress to outlaw all non-MSN insecure chatrooms that serve thru US satellites and cables. In short order.. PWN TEH WORLD!!!!111

*$ame old $tory - but fast-tracked*

i'm glad it wasn't only me.. :) damn drugs - make u see things!

At 9/23/03 04:02 PM, BWS wrote:

At 9/23/03 03:49 PM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: I think the US just wanted a chance to test their new toy.

I can assure you that they didnt view it as a toy.

i'm not so convinced..

The A-Bombs used over Japan; Little Boy (left) and Fat Man (right)

At 9/23/03 11:03 PM, BootlegJones wrote: I used my friends Kazaa to search and see how bad child pornography really is.

err, ..i wudn't much like being your friend! >8(

At 9/23/03 09:35 PM, -Z- wrote:

At 9/23/03 09:30 PM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: Just curoius, when was the last time anyone went to the moon?

I think it was Apollo 17 in 1972...the last major one anyway. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

haha! yes, just think how much money they've saved by not setting up a moon-base for tourism.

..thread getting theosophical

the purpose of life is to mark the passage of time.

the purpose of time is to allow the discovery of religion.

the purpose of religion is to give meaning to the grand scheme of the Universe.

the purpose of the Universe is to make conditions for life possible.

the purpose of religion is to make conditions of life bearable.

the purpose of time is to make conditions of life changable.

our purpose in life is to understand all the above.

-DREDD

just because NASA blows 100's of billions of dollars on re-entry burnoffs doesn't mean it need always be so expensive exploring space or running experiments.

See, they didn't even bother to help the Russians put their historic MIR spacestation into a higher orbit or push it off to rendezvous with a mars orbit or anything creative. Don't tell me it wouldn't have been cost-effective to have strapped on a jet-system to salvage MIR than let all that metal and electronics just burn up. Not to mention the importance of Russian pride, or future generations who will never know how space was tamed by man so long ago (and not much since!!) ..sending American astronauts just to do more lab-tests to further their own "International" space station? PHOOEY!!

That fucked up NASA logic made me physically nauseous, and the galaleio planet dive is no better. "Contaminate a Moon" ..??!!! WTF are they dribbling about?

some good points Pueidist =)

Btw, the words "President" and "Prime Minister" are ok for countries, but what term would be good for our next Global representative? You know, Aliens fly down and say "Take us to your leader" and we say "Oh fuck, you mean our blah-blah..."

any good suggestions better than Dictator??

"..so why clean your own streets when you can contract out to foreign companies and pay them with oil."

the news agencies have finally just detailed the newly announced laws on foreign commerce in Iraq;

-The U.S. official noted the open-ended foreign investment proposals did not require any screening process -- something he said the Iraqis had requested -- which would make investment there more alluring to foreigners. "There is no screening committee. There is no way for a sort of niggling process to grab hold of your ankle and chew on it," he said.

-Iraq will also slap a five percent surcharge on all imports except for humanitarian goods like food, medicine and books. The CPA had earlier declared a tariff-free, open-border regime in Iraq that was to last to the end of 2003.

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so what does everyone think about all this "freedom" of foreign ownership?

At 9/21/03 11:14 PM, Seizure_Dog wrote:

..thats what wars used to be all about. Territory.

yes, but the new "Global Economy" means you can take foreign lands more discretely and with less bloodshed by installing your own business leaders who'll have greater control than the locally elected political puppets. It might be a slower option than war, but as a passage from Bill Gates book Monopoly_Money_Management explains; "The best winning strategy is not to bankrupt all your opponents as quickly as possible, but by keeping them poor -yet alive- they'll continue "running around" collecting $200 as they PASS GO, and by their pitiful sad existence, ALL the banks funds will be more readily depleated as you become Grotesquely Mega Rich"

At 9/21/03 11:21 AM, adrshepard wrote:

At 9/21/03 02:11 AM, Judge_Dredd wrote: Pearl Harbour - a surprise attack! [even despite having the best military radar equipment of the day?!]

The gov knew something was coming from Japan, but did not know where. If they could have prevented it, they would have.

So maybe, just maybe, the Japanese had the same impression reversed, AND DID ACT to prevent it!Hasn't that ever crossed your mind before?? America might have been the good guys up until Pearl Harbor, but the Japanese had every right to be concerned about the massive military expenditure looming on it's doorstep.

..a complete overreaction response!

When someone starts maliciously killing Americans, we're gonna start cracking skulls. We have the best military, why not use it in defense of the country?

is this regarding 9-11? America wasn't attacked by an opposing government (it's a common misconception that the Taliban or Saddam regime were somehow directly involved)

Such an impressive militarty machine is only useful against a similarly sized militay might (cold-war style) but has never before proved an effective treatment against a mountain or forest of city based rebel army (remember the Russians tried and failed) - i suppose you think the US troops are more suited to the task? well, in your hollywood dreams maybe it's so :)

Osama coulda bet money that Bush (Junior) would go guns blazing! (..and sure enough he did)

You seem to imply that taking out (or at the very least routing them from Afghanistan) was a bad thing.

I'm saying that everything is going to Osama's plan.

they were not routed, they melted into the towns and villages and surrounding countryside. Infact, it could be argued that their numbers increased as a result of the arial slaughter of all those attending a wedding party (between 50 or 100 innocent ppl died last we heard)

And what about Chinese sovereignty? Did the Japanese have a right to invade China? They were the bad guys in that war, if you haven't noticed.

The USA did NOT go to war to save the Chinese. The British tried to make a stand at Singapore but gave up on protecting their enclave, as troops were more needed in Europe and Africa. It was the WHOLE WORLD AT WAR remember!!
Even countries like Russia signed up to Hitlers expansionistic assault early on - and America didn't even go to save their British kin-folk until the tide of war had pretty much turned, so how do you suggest they were in the Pacific just to help save China from it's small neighbour?

You also imply that going to war with Japan was unjustified. What should we have done? Stood back while they destroyed our military like a bunch of pacifist hippies?

NO! America N-U-K-ING 2 Japanese cities when (as already mentioned) Japan was already finally preparing to surrender WAS unjustified.

You go to the crying families of the victims of 9/11 and tell them that the loss of their loved one was morally justified.

9-11 was a horrendous criminal act that killed 2 or 3 thousand people - perpetrated mostly by SAUDI NATIONALS - how does that morally justify INVADING and occupying Afghanistan and Iraq ..and all that other stuff that JMHX mentions???

At 9/20/03 05:26 PM, OSC wrote:

At 9/20/03 05:22 PM, OSC wrote:

At 9/20/03 06:38 AM, Judge_Dredd wrote: They've already sold Coca-cola International Airport (yes, formerly known as Saddam International) and the oil-fields are...

HOLD THE PHONE!!! Coca-cola International Airport??? Are you fucking kidding me??

Nevermind. I now see the comment was in sarcasm or something like that. However, I'd like to point out how little faith I have in humanity since for a few minutes I actually believed that.

OSC, the uncanny thing about calling myself Judge is that a mild form of precognition seems to run in my family (whether peolple believe that or not is for events to decide) But sure, that post was entirely in jest -off the top of my head as they say. But here's the strange thing; I didn't even know that the World Bank AND IMF were holding a conference in Dubai on Iraqs future until it was announced on BBC news about half an hour ago. The headlines were almost exactly along the lines of my joke text (maybe we share the same lack of faith in humanity ;)

i'll compare from memory koz both the BBC website and Google News references haven't listed the summary of details just announced from Dubai;

:The US Troops are just cleaning up before all the buyers arrive.

apparently spot on. They've decided that any foreign company can own 100% of ANY Iraqi business including their 5 main trading banks.

and the oil-fields are also up for tender.

not correct. They've chosen to exclude oil at this stage (but we know that certain Texan companies are contracted already)

They've already sold Coca-cola International Airport.

ok, i was trying to think something thirst quenching and the abbrieviantion C.I.A. sounded good -hehe!

Even the estimated 130 billion dollars worth of Iraqi National debt has been re-financed several times over by the World Bank and is likely to be snapped up by the International Monetary Fund (IMF)

this wasn't mentioned, but suffice to say that both Organizations are heavily involved in negotiations already.

which estimates it'll re-coup the balance in interest alone within 50 to 60 years as oil-4-debt repayments.

we'll have to wait for such details to be released.

Ph33r not, America will turn a nice profit, and all coalition countries will get a decent slice of the pie!

They specifically said that the decision to totally sell off of Iraqi industries is a direct attempt to underwrite reconstruction (quote attributed to a US official)

..Well, what started purely as a joke has suddenly become news headlines. Did anyone notice me put a predictions quote in my sig two days ago :]

*chalks another 1 up for the Judges*

At 9/21/03 03:26 AM, JMHX_The_Saviour wrote: Why not just reopen some of Saddam's mansions and take the moustache off the pictures of him? It's got enough G.W. going.

sure, as long as Bush trades in his white 10 gallon hat & six'shooters for a shotgun and some cuban cigars.

At 9/20/03 09:58 PM, JudgeFUNK wrote:

At 9/20/03 09:09 PM, punk_disease wrote: Nirvana, judge_dredd, you guys rock.

like a rock, i feel most unworthy!

Now you see why I have to be such a dick, otherwise the rockingness of Nirv and Dredd would destroy the earth.

Haha!! And this coming from Mr Charisma himself (irony indeed =)

ok, somewhere in my posts i said i was sent to a segregated highschool (further evidence of prison life training) so speaking of traditions, this is based on a British misconception; That during adolecence, kids will study better through these difficult pubescent years if not needing to worry about opposite gender appeal.

I don't care the reasoning behind it. It's sexist, and therefore illegal by modern standards. Wouldn't they now ask todays generation of adolecents if they have any homosexual tendancies, and if so, send them to a non-unisex highschool? I thinks not!

But that segregation at a critical time of development also explains my personal lack of self-worth (ie. natural charisma) I'd prolly sue my old highschool if i had any belief that lawyers can impove the world we have. Hmm, can someone please start 'A Third Way' political movement.. (yup, sounds like a job fer FUNK - teh SuperJudge!)

this might seem off topic, but we're on a roll..

Pearl Harbour - a surprise attack! [even despite having the best military radar equipment of the day?!]

9-11 - a surprise attack! [even thou there was a previous substancial (failed) attack on the WTC, and subsequtently, several Hollywood movies all pointing to a likely recurrence, not to mention the Pearl Horbour like attack on the USS Cole]

now what else did these events have in common? Both were expecting one of two possible outcomes; some sort of admission of personal moral fault - or - a complete overreaction response!

The massive fleet amassed in Pearl Harbour (that the Japanese well knew about i might add) represented a clear and present threat to Japans own sovereignty. The WTC towers on the other hand, represented everything undemocratic about global financial domination by 1 nation. The anticipated response in both cases was surely the latter case (a complete over-reaction and war) Osama coulda bet money that Bush (Junior) would go guns blazing! (..and sure enough he did)

So i ask you, who has the moral highground? The one brandishing the biggest stick? or the one who taps America on the shoulder by way of saying "hey, what are you intending to do with all this overwhelming super-power?"

At 9/20/03 07:02 PM, JudgeFUNK wrote: Nice to see I wasn't the first person to think of that, Dredd. Have you been sneakin peeks at the Great Saint Jewel while I wasn't looking again?

Damn your skillz 0|= 734 /\/\4|] |-|4XX0|2.

hehe! Welcome to NG JudgeFunk! *winks*

well i know you are collecting together all the scriptures for the Book of St DAG, and i don't thinks it'd take years of pointless debate to see the whole of His vision (..well, the important bits at least ;)

At 9/20/03 05:48 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: I have never figured a clear purpose. I'm really out of my league discussing all that sort of thing- I've never given it much thought.

i've given it considerable thought (in a non-religous way i might add) and came to this simple cosmological conclusion; The purpose of life is to ensue the longevity of the species

That might sound rather flipant, like; "your partents had you koz your dad got horny, and your mum was in her maternal instinct phase" ..but it soon trails far off into complex physics, because Speed-Of-Light space-vehicle technology becomes centrally important if we can't rely on our future decendants to not blow themselves and the Earth all to hell first.

At 9/20/03 05:36 PM, SteelSeraphim wrote: Used nuclear weapons on (Japanese) civilians? You're damn right we did.

on two cities of historical significance only.

With enough cause. Last time I checked, murdering one country's civilians with thousands of bombs (Pearl Harbor) demands rebuttal of the same proportion.

by "civilians" you're refering to a few thousand naval (military) personnel. It wasn't "thousands of bombs", it was a group precision torpedo strike with a handful of suicial pilots. And WHY did the US have most of it's finest fleet parked way out exposed in the middle of the Pacific Ocean? - don't tell us it was merely reconniassance. Hawaii had more cultural bond to it's asian neighbors than America, so it was hardly a strike against America's Homeland.

..but keep going! i like how you twist the facts like "rebuttal of the same proportion" ..to suit your own Nationalistic fervor.

anonomous wrote: "I'm beginning to view the Iraqi people as ungrateful for the sacrifice America has made and is continuing to make and the freedom they now enjoy.."

we know that many Americans (including the leaders who made the decision to go to war) hold this simplified view of freedom. It totally ignores all historical precedent. That Iraqi's are a proud people (no matter their current financial bind) and have never succumb to a foreign occupying force.
I mean, i'm only in my early 30's so i saw in great detail the daily news in my youth of the Iran-Iraq [u]decade long war[/u]. It was absolutely ferocious! Something like a million people on both sides were sent to the slaughter. And Iraq was the underdog, outnubered by 4-to-1. And what was the war about? My best guess was that Saddam was doing his best to shine as a positive influence in America's eyes by stemming back the tide of Islamic Fundamentalism growing in popularity over the eastern border to Iran, Afganistan etc.

Now keep telling us that America INVADED the WHOLE of Iraq just to kill Saddam - and then leave. This just doesn't wash with the public of the international community. Liberation doesn't take years!? The Occupying US forces couldn't be less culturally sensitive, or more diametrically opposite in appeal to the average Iraqi citizen, as they try to teach their own children of their once proud heritage.

"If you're not with us, you're against US" ..scary hollow words in retrospect arn't they!

the purpose of life is to escape everyday reality as often as one possibly can (without getting arrested)

At 9/20/03 02:10 PM, JMHX_The_Saviour wrote:

At 9/20/03 02:07 PM, Kenney333 wrote:

At 9/20/03 12:38 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Ted! You're back! Are you staying, or jetting off into the moonlight?

looks like he already did.

Ted is the mighty shadow of government..

well, he's hardly gonna disappear - while being an NG mod.

there are not so many third-world countries left. Would the whole of Africa do for someone with such a Big Head?

p.s. I think the USA (United States of Africa) should.. adopt the RAAM as their sole currency!

At 9/20/03 09:51 AM, D2KVirus wrote: Some guy in the US has been selling beach property in Florida for a handsome profit for several years now. It's about an inch square a piece, but people buy it in droves.

i'd say there's a certain legal requirement (possibly linked to Florida) for new immigrants to have a "known address or property" as a "new resident" to help their claim for US citizenship. You can see how the interpretation of any law can be twisted to any description that suits your purpose.

Lawyers luv loop-holes! It's what's known in the business as residual income.

ok, let's say Newgrounds needs a country of it's own for all us dedicated New Grounders; you know, our own stamps and passports and currency, even the NG tank adopted as our national flag. All you need to do is hire a few good lawyers to pick over the exact definition of "international waters", ..and wha-la! We could claim all the worlds oceans and it's sea-bed as being a sovereign NewGroundland. We could each make our own tropical island paradise.
I'm sure the oil companies are already exploiting just such a loop-hole for exloration of locations for their ocean-going drilling rigs. But the jokes on them, and all international shipping trade, when they're forced to front up with a few New Grand per day for passage thru our terrain (..or more precisely; Our Domain!)

The US Troops are just cleaning up before all the buyers arrive. They've already sold Coca-cola International Airport (yes, formerly known as Saddam International) and the oil-fields are also up for tender. You can pick up a good sized chunk of arabian desert for next-to-nothing on Ebay. Even the estimated 130 billion dollars worth of Iraqi National debt has been re-financed several times over by the World Bank and is likely to be snapped up by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) which estimates it'll re-coup the balance in interest alone within 50 to 60 years as oil-4-debt repayments (which replaces the UN oil-4-food program)

Ph33r not, America will turn a nice profit, and all coalition countries will get a decent slice of the pie! :D

i'm trying to remember why this is happening..?

I think they made a law that NO 1 COUNTRY can own the planets or moon, so some company thought that was a kind of loop-hole allowing individuals and companies to lay claim to selling them. This is a classic case of "the letter of the law" vs "the intended sentiment beind the law"

btw, i own the entire Sun, and shit luck to everyone who owns a piece of God's Earth when i decide to start charging everyone for the radiant energy supply (currently free of charge koz i'm a nice guy! :)
..oh, and i'm also running a couple of markets - one you might have heard of called "the futures market" and another might not yet heard of called "the pasts market" ..essentially you can buy a decent slab of space-time which equates to about 10 sidereal minutes (and i don't mean arc units ;) ..the best price i've had to far is for the 30 minutes to midnight New Years Eve 2000, but i expect i'll do even better with the time around Jesus's birth -lots of interest from several dark occult groups with a patent-pending on the 1st time-machine. :P

does Bush have proof to back up this claim? ..or is this yet another "Smoking Gun" comeback? :P