3,511 Forum Posts by "JudgeDredd"
At 6/14/14 11:04 AM, Idiot-Finder wrote: You should do a bit more than posting pictures and little else.
Actually i made those and posted them.. so sue me for creating original content on the fly.
At 6/15/14 07:45 PM, Ron-Geno wrote: OP, I can't wait to shit on your grave.
Trolling is allowed.. great, i might just stick around then.
At 6/16/14 06:04 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:
Actually my first words were the following:
"yeah it's definitely the U.S.' fault that the Iraqi soldiers they left in charge ended up surrendering"
I didn't call them "useless" and I certainly didn't call them "cowards".
If you go back to page 1 and Ctrl+F either of those words you will notice they don't actually appear on the page at all, let alone from myself.
So please don't suggest I am lying when you accuse me of saying things I didn't actually say.
Oh.. i thought putting words in people's mouths was allowed.. seems it's alright for you, but not for others.
At 6/14/14 11:04 AM, Idiot-Finder wrote:At 6/14/14 07:43 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: ... all options open...You should do a bit more than posting pictures and little else.
No wonder this place is a ghost town. Back to G+
See you after the war.
... all options open...
pretty much this...
At 6/13/14 10:09 AM, LazyDrunk wrote:At 6/12/14 08:26 PM, JudgeDredd wrote: and those who were in charge and made those decisions ARE to blame for the whole Iraqi mess as it is now.And you think a war crimes tribunal is the answer?
Better yet, just parachute the surviving Neocons into Tekrit.
You must hate Santa more than any of the righties here; you want to see him hang more than anyone.
*fixed*
At 6/13/14 07:16 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: Again. JMHX, I haven't seen in God knows how long, and who knows what he's up to.
maybe someone haxxor'd his account..
appeasing the gun nutters...
At 6/12/14 08:30 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote:
Holy crap, dude. Where have you been?
Smoking, while waiting for our laws to change. :P
Actually, i left when Obama won, and watching to see how "change" works out.
For us outside the US it's kinda ironic that certain US states are reforming so quickly,
while our own countries are still stuck with the handbreak on. We're hopeful that your
stats on crime or other drug use trend down enough for our governments to also
see the benefits of change.
Oh, and been busy on G+ of course. :D
How's everyone? Anyone know if Funk is still rockin' it?
At 6/12/14 06:45 PM, orangebomb wrote: I normally don't agree with yurgenburgen on much of anything, but he's actually right.
yurgenburgen's first words were that the Iraqi army (trained and funded by the US) are cowards and useless, and say it's not the US's fault. That is clearly a lie. Disbanding the Iraqi army was a very serious mistake (causing a decade of insurgency and bloodshed), and just because that happened in 2003 doesn't make him right. It was an bad experiment that went terribly wrong for the Iraqi people, and those who were in charge and made those decisions ARE to blame for the whole Iraqi mess as it is now.
At 6/12/14 08:43 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:At 6/12/14 08:05 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: Where did i mention the Ba'athists?Who else would you be referring to when talking about the pre-2003 Iraqi government?
Again, i don't know where you're going with this.
I posted a photo of Bush and called him a war criminal.
I explained that the US gave chemical weapons to Iraq, then invaded Iraq looking for the same chemical weapons.
Paul Bremer disbanded the Iraqi army leaving it ripe for militants of any persuasion to take over.
Rumsfeld had a timely meeting with Saddam Hussein in '83...
"November 1983. George Schultz, the Secretary of State, is given intelligence reports showing that Iraqi troops are daily using chemical weapons against the Iranians."
"December 1983. Donald Rumsfeld meets with Saddam Hussein to assure him of US friendship and materials support."
A quote from Dick Cheney in 1992 (Gulf War 1) ...
"I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home...."
And Paul Wolfowitz in the same year...
"In the Middle East and Southwest Asia, our overall objective is to remain the predominant outside power in the region and preserve U.S. and Western access to the region's oil."
So I think it's pretty clear the Terrorist organization i was referring to...
At 6/12/14 07:58 AM, lapis wrote: Am I being blunt if I say that the US ultimately spent nearly a trillion dollars and the lives of 4500 servicemen to install an Iranian puppet?
The amount of self-inflicted harm.. Four Horseman.. nuff said. ;)
At 6/12/14 06:50 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:At 6/12/14 03:23 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: Who are the Terrorists?If you're actually asking me "who are the terrorists between the U.S. govt and the Iraqi Ba'ath party?"
It was rhetorical. What's wrong with you? Where did i mention the Ba'athists? Quit putting words in my mouth.
as though I can only choose from one of the above (which in itself is a ridiculous oversimplification) I would base my answer on the amount of terror caused and inflicted by either side.
{facepalm}
Dude, i don't even recognize you. What was your nick before?
23k posts and you're completely off base..
Here's what i'm talking about...
"Predictions revisited: Iraq's troubles are years in the making, experts say"
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/11/world/meast/iraq-predictions-revisited/
Got it?!
(rhetorical)
At 6/11/14 03:43 PM, lapis wrote: 800 ISIS fighters managed to rout 30,000 Iraqi soldiers; it's akin to Pizarro's conquest of the Inca empire. This despite the fact that the US trained the Iraqi army for about a decade and sank billions it. It just shows how weak of an idea Iraqi nationhood is. All that matters in Iraq is whether you're an Arab Shi`ite, Arab Sunni or a Kurd (or some other irrelevant religion like Christianity or Mandaeism). Maybe a typically American mistake to think that the inclusivity that has become a cornerstone of US nationhood in the past decades could straightforwardly be applied to a Middle Eastern context?
Indeed. It's becoming a rout. The two views in this thread are "leave them to their own destruction" or "bomb them all to hell". This also implies that the US leaving Afghanistan any time soon is set to repeat. We could expect America to continue to mechanize their approach to such conflicts, an automated shooting range of possible targets, but increasingly leaving politics completely out it.
At 6/12/14 12:53 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:At 6/11/14 08:22 PM, JudgeDredd wrote: Case closed.Doesn't work like that kid.
America supplies Iraq with chemical weapons then invade them years later on the false pretext of finding chemical weapons, and don't find any. Is there anything left to say? It's the military version of Economic Hitmen. Who are the Terrorists?
At 6/12/14 01:32 AM, Ranger2 wrote: Dredd I understand your point but there are better ways to argue it. Make a statement, and go beyond ad hominem. Otherwise you seem less like an intellectual debater and more of a troll.
I did my debating here before the war started.. check my posts. (but i don't really expect you to)
It sounds trollish cos i don't expect anyone to change their minds after the fact.
I'm purely stating this was my (and others) position here on NG leading up to 2003 invasion.
Time has proven us right, and you could say it's a moot point mentioning that this current situation is why we wasted our time debating here on NG at all, but yeah, that's exactly why we said it. Warnings always go unheeded. Only after the fact can you say "i told you so".
At 6/2/14 07:00 PM, Korriken wrote:At 6/2/14 01:38 AM, Light wrote:Smoking weed always helps with stress. ;)ehh, no.
lol. I'm sure he means insomnia.
Btw, how's the labeling and branding of weed going? Any companies developing preliminary packaging? I'm keen to see how it eventually compares with PKD's "pre-visions" of a futuristic American society.
At 6/11/14 11:44 AM, orangebomb wrote: Saddam Hussein was far from a false pretense, and Iraq was better off without him.
Like now in Mosul?
Plus, radical Islam has been around long before the 2003 invasion.
The 2003 invasion made conditions perfect for the spread of radical Islam. America destroyed all infrastructure and systems, and disbanded and outlawed the army. It put 250,000 young Iraqi men out of a job, out on the streets, angry, and armed. A decade later Iraq still doesn't have the army it had in 2003, and people saying "it's their army surrendering" is another whitewash of this simple fact.
At 6/11/14 10:43 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:
Also still not sure what your point is in all of this. You started off blaming the surrender of Iraqi soldiers in 2014 on a 2003 invasion led by the U.S., and have then just backpedaled through time casting vague allusions to some root cause involving Capital which you didn't mention once during your opening post.
You said Iraq wasn't functioning, as if they could under 13 years of complete economic embargo... a predominantly desert nation whose primary export is oil.
It's a joke to ignore the indefinite embargo and say the country was fucked. Yes they (the people) were fucked. And what does that have to do with the 2003 invasion? Softening them up for conquest? Did the embargo fail so bad that WMD were flowing across the border?
The poor condition of Iraq goes back to the Iran/Iraq war, and even then Russia and America were proxying their own war by supplying each side with weapons, just as is happening in Syria, Ukraine, and elsewhere today.
Both the United States and West Germany sold Iraq dual-use pesticides and poisons that would be used to create chemical and other weapons....
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.php
..."July, 1984. CIA begins giving Iraq intelligence necessary to calibrate its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops."
..."March, 1986. The United States with Great Britain block all Security Council resolutions condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons, and on March 21 the US becomes the only country refusing to sign a Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of these weapons. "
..."May, 1986. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of weapons grade botulin poison to Iraq."
..."April, 1988. US Department of Commerce approves shipment of chemicals used in manufacture of mustard gas."
...AND the stated reason for the 2003 invasion? ^THESE^ ...and America found NONE. Case closed.
At 6/11/14 09:50 AM, yurgenburgen wrote:At 6/11/14 09:36 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: "They began August 6, 1990, .... until May 2003.I don't see how a complete trade embargo is anything but justified in this case.
If we don't learn from history, history repeats.
"The Treaty of Versailles and the 1921 London Schedule of Payments required Germany to pay 132 billion gold marks (US$33 billion) in reparations to cover civilian damage caused during World War One. The German people saw reparations as a national humiliation.. " Many historians believe there is a direct causal link between the unfolding events in Germany in the decades between Versailles and the outbreak of the Second World War. It lead to hyper-inflation and total economic collapse, thus sowing the seeds for World War Two.
At 6/11/14 09:27 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: Iraqi society was not functioning brilliantly before the U.S. invaded
"The sanctions against Iraq were a near-total financial and trade embargo imposed by the United Nations Security Council on the nation of Iraq. They began August 6, 1990, four days after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, stayed largely in force until May 2003"
At 6/11/14 09:03 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: "When the battle got tough in the city of Mosul, the troops dropped their weapons and abandoned their posts"
yeah it's definitely the U.S.' fault that the Iraqi soldiers they left in charge ended up surrendering
"You break it, you own it"
Al Qaeda-linked militants have seized the Iraqi city of Mosul.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/islamic-militants-seize-iraqi-city-mosul-article-1.1823862
We warned you. You didn't listen.
You destroyed Iraq under false pretences, and it's only served to spread radical Islam throughout the wider region.
Sitting in your SUVs in some traffic jam.. trying to get home to watch some propagandist war movie on your over-sized plasma screens .. are you happy now?
Good, because it ain't over.. American arrogance.. all your military might.. a million dead.. and for what??
Worse than if you had just left Saddam waving his fist in the air denouncing Imperialist America.
Worse than if you had spent a fraction of the military budget on alternative energy research.
Worst of all for the people of Iraq who have suffered so many decades of war, bloodshed, and death.
...and for what?? So war criminal Bush can paint shit on canvas? Is that what this was all for??
..well Hoo-Fucken-Rah for him! The War oF Terror continues...
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At 1/22/14 11:50 PM, Fim wrote: I still find it mind boggling that cannabis is in the same category as cocaine and heroin in the US, over here it's only a class B.
Yeh, NZ is Class C.. "Moderate risk of harm"
So if it's legal in 2 states.. why is MJ still schedule 1?
"In a profile published by The New Yorker magazine, President Barack Obama acknowledged the fact that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol for the consumer. Yet federal law classifies marijuana as a Schedule 1 drug, a category the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) considers "the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules." It’s time for that to change."
At 2/18/13 07:02 PM, adrshepard wrote: Or cutting military spending (which coincidentally has historically been a major source of technological innovation).
The amount of innovation from military spending is nowhere near the total cost of all military spending.
The military has historically recruited many of the best scientists into wasteful 'war machine' efforts.
At 2/18/13 06:38 PM, KiwiSundae wrote: Besides, when all is said and done, good parenting and social responsibility are the only weapons against teenagers doing stupid shit.
Indeed. And a society with good laws helps good parenting.
Bad laws only add confusion to the whole issue, especially for teens who naturally doubt any authority.
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