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At 4/2/04 05:14 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/2/04 04:57 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: I find that hard to believe considering thier GDP is only $268.9 billion.

My mistake, they actually have 750 billion.

"Saudi Arabia has $450 billion invested in US companies"- You

"Saudi investors have threatened to withdraw some of the $750bn they have invested in the US"- Article

There is a big difference. Investors don't neccesarily make a government strong.

And the fact that the GDP of Saudi Arabia is $268.9 billion shows that these investors must not be official residents of Saudi Arabia and are also not paying taxes there. Unless they have some sort of magic power that allows them to make thier money exist and at the same time not exist.

At 4/2/04 05:16 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/2/04 04:59 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: Really, I want to hear this one.

Simply put: revenge

And that is justification.. how?

At 4/2/04 05:09 PM, shitt0r wrote:

At 4/2/04 04:34 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: Because the Japanese rule and the French suck. I used a few long words to say this though so it doesn't really matter what my opinion was anyway.

Yeah, still doesn't mean that EVERY person from that respective country falls under those descriptions you gave before I edited your quote for a laugh.

First of all, you're a moron. I used those words for a reason, to describe thier culture. Stereotypes are often based on truth, and while not all falls under those descriptions, many do. I challenge you to actually give a rebuttal instead of just changing the quote around and thinking you made some point.

At 4/2/04 04:39 PM, FatherVenom wrote:

At 4/2/04 04:34 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: Anyone who really likes the French must have some sort of self esteem issues.

Or I could just apreciate them for the people they are. Come on people share the love, don't hold onto grudges.

What grudges? Most French are pretentious. What does that have to do with grudges?

At 4/2/04 04:50 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/2/04 04:24 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: no line of reasoning can justify thier actions.

Except (Amongst other things) that the US supported Saddam when he did what they ordered him to do. (Even if he was gassing Kurds under their nose)
Their country's schools, hospitals and water treatment facilities were bombed to shit during the first gulf war.
Littering Iraq with depleted Uranium shells.
There was UN restrictions that damaged even more the country's infrastructure.
Some Iraqis tried to overthrow Saddam during that time but the US did nothing.
Once more bombing their country, but this time under false pretense.

I really don't see how you can't see what would motivate their anger towards the West, especially America.

Uhhuh, and how exactly does this justify maming a bunch of innocent contractors, ripping thier limbs off, and then parading thier bodies around the town?

Really, I want to hear this one.

At 4/2/04 04:41 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 4/1/04 05:46 PM, EvilGovernmentAgent wrote: There's a reason why there's no Arab superstate.

Saudi Arabia has $450 billion invested in US companies. I guess that doesn't count.

I find that hard to believe considering thier GDP is only $268.9 billion.

Because the Japanese are respectfull and humble, while the French are snooty and pretentious. I thought that was rather obvious.

Anyone who really likes the French must have some sort of self esteem issues.

At 4/2/04 02:49 AM, JMHX_DeLux wrote: The Italians dragged Mussolini through the street and strung him up on a light pole, I believe. That's what we are to them -- unlawful, unjust occupiers that must be driven out and dealt with any way possible.

The difference is, Mussolini was one man, who pretty much everyone knew did something wrong. These people were just innocent contractors, not maniacle dictators, no line of reasoning can justify thier actions.

The rural areas would do ok, but the Urban areas would..... die. I picture rouge militias developing, and either eating people or invading the rural farms to sustain themselves.

At 4/1/04 05:48 PM, second_sun wrote: history has shown us that in situations like these, a violent reaction such as this is not far from commonplace. as people who think that we are on the good side (there is no good side in a war, only two different sides with different views) it is common for us to dehumanize the enemy. try to put yourselves in their skin, keeping in mind that they are people.
ps, im not talking about the people who actually did the killing, THOSE PEOPLE ARE SICK, i'm talking about the iraqis in general.

You are correct that things like this tend to happen in these situations, during WW2 there were lynchings of some germans and japanese, but we didn't celebrate them and throw parades with thier rotting carcasses. And what ever happened from learning from our mistakes, do the people in the middle east not learn any western history?

Well, two conclusions can be drawn from this, the people of Iraq are evil, horrible, people, who must be wiped off the face of the planet or... you know what I don't feel like finishing this. They purposely killed other Iraqi civilians, who were completely innocent, and only trying to do thier job, and then celebrated that fact by desicrating thier probably still living bodies. I heard that the people in Fallujah were insane, but this is just.... crrraazy.

At 4/1/04 10:49 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/1/04 01:35 AM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: Turkey only got aid when it gave the US its airspace to fly over.

Yer, that's what everyone else calls "Payment"...

Which is why it's AID by name only, in fact, no money was planned on being given to Turkey, it was a series of low rate loans and grants adding up to 15 billion. So none of that money, would have anything to do with the money reskunk it talking about.

At 4/1/04 01:35 AM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: Turkey only got aid when it gave the US its airspace to fly over.

Thats your entire basis for your argument that most of the AID is given so countries would help us with wars? Hmm, that is one crappy argument you got there.

And FYI, Turkey did not need the AID, Turkey is actually better off than most countries, we were simply buying the rights to use thier country to help our invasion.

Also, I might add this was not AID, these were a seriese of low rate loans and grants.

Oh, and one final thing, what you are talking about is ENTIRELY FICTIONAL. We offered them a 15 billion Aid package in loans and grants so they would let us bring out troops in, but they rejected it, so we took the package off the table. Later, thier parliament voted to allow the US to use thier airspace without any payment offered for them to do so, and to my knowledge, we still haven't given them squat.

At 4/1/04 01:37 AM, RoteStinktier wrote:

At 4/1/04 01:00 AM, ineffable_fetus wrote:

At 4/1/04 12:51 AM, RoteStinktier wrote: That's about 15 times more than the actual figure - 0.9 percent.

I think you mean 0.09 and 150 times more.

Hum.. the top is an article that I simply copied. It could be an error, but they're talking tax dollars there.. Compared to the '0.1 percent of GNP' number.. I think it's right.

Well the last time I checked, and this was back in 2002, we were giving something like 17 billion. Which is much much much less than .9% of our budget. And if it was .1% of our GDP, it would be ~.04% of the tax money, being that the income tax is around 40%.

At 4/1/04 02:16 PM, JMHX_DeLux wrote:

At 4/1/04 12:38 AM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 3/31/04 11:36 PM, JMHX_DeLux wrote: The bottom line -- these men are dead, and we are NOT WANTED THERE.

What you're seeing (because its the only thing being reported) is a small percentage of the population in Iraq.

And that is the small percentage that murders Americans.

Murder is such a harsh word, can't we call it something nicer like impair or debilitate?

At 3/31/04 11:38 PM, Le-Reiper wrote:

This is what you need to understand. It is impossible to prove either the existance or nonexistance of an omnipotent being. Believe what you want to believe, and let everyone else believe what we want to believe. To me, the errors in the bible are good enough reason to not believe in god. But thats my opinion. For you, you may believe in him, do you have proof he exists? No, do we have proof he doesn't? Not really either.

This is what you need to understand, he made a claim, and I asked for proof. If he isn't able to prove that claim, then he shouldn't be saying it.

At 4/1/04 01:05 AM, RugbyMacDaddy wrote: Most recipeints of aid are countries who's help are needed to win a war, basically a payoff.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you basing all this on the fact that the US offered AID packages to a few countries in the security council? It may come as a suprise to you, but we arent always invading countries, those last two were pretty much it for a long time, and unless we gave Tajikastan 17 billion dollars for the past few years just so they would help us invade Afghanistan, you are full of shit.

At 4/1/04 12:51 AM, RoteStinktier wrote: That's about 15 times more than the actual figure - 0.9 percent.

I think you mean 0.09 and 150 times more.

At 3/31/04 11:04 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 3/31/04 10:56 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: Oh wow, in his name, so what that means god is obviously doing it, because some people did it with him in mind.

God only exists in people's minds so yes, it does.

Proof?

At 3/31/04 10:18 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 3/31/04 09:05 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: people do.

In his name.

Oh wow, in his name, so what that means god is obviously doing it, because some people did it with him in mind.

At 3/31/04 08:57 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 3/31/04 08:03 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: ...What the hell are you talking about?

ji-had

We were talking about how God is involved in this, remember?

No, no such thing ever happened. I asked when god learned to fly a plane. Which if anything would imply that god doesn't take vengance, people do.

At 3/31/04 08:41 PM, Adun wrote: Liberate from what? Take away a government and replace it with something worse? Kill more than 10,000 civilians plus the defending army? Steal oil?

What is your argument here? You make alot of claims but don't back them up, how is the government we are replacing thiers with worse? How are we stealing oil? And most of all, what did those last two questions have to do with the question "Liberate from what?"? Seems like someone just had an itch to rant.

The 'war on terror' creates terror and angers half the world. The USA defied United Nations rules and was supposed to be stopped by the other UN nations, but who could stop USA superpower?

What United Nations rules said that the US could not invade? I don't remember a "No Invasion of Iraq" resolution passing, did you by chance get this from out of your ass? The US was never "supposed" to be stopped by anyone, France just didn't want to fight, if they wanted to stop the US, they would have at least tried to draft a resolution to do so.

If you watch someone be murdered and do absolutely nothing, does that make you a saint? No, that makes you selfish.

At 3/31/04 04:39 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: What were we doing differently in Japan, they have an even higher standard of living than the United States, I'd like to see the same thing happen in Iraq, but something is different, I don't know if it's our policies, or Iraq.

I think the problem is that nothing is different. In 50 years the ways you rebuild a country change drastically, the standard of living is higher, the population density is higher, technology is more open to the poor (which makes it much easier for random people to get guns), ect. Iraq is really the first occupation of a signifigantly modern country, that fact needed much more consideration when planning how to handle it to begin with.

Also, it does depend on the culture, the Japanese are, or were, a very respectfull, loyal people. Which is one of the reasons why we kept the emporer as a figurehead. If we had some sort of Islamic cleric (like the pope to the catholics) telling the Iraqis to cooperate then it might just have the same effect.

At 3/31/04 07:43 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 3/31/04 07:38 PM, ineffable_fetus wrote: Since when did god know how to fly a plane.

Since he created them, I guess.

...What the hell are you talking about?

At 3/31/04 07:27 PM, CrassClock wrote:

At 3/31/04 06:12 PM, Ruination wrote: We have killed many in his name in the past... He hasn't voiced any complaints as of yet.

9-11?

Since when did god know how to fly a plane.

At 3/29/04 06:10 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote: What about shipping him to a state which uses gas?

Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of outlawing death by gas chamber?

And - off-topic - what kind of gas do they use? Wouldn't it be easy to just put them in a garage with a running car? Carbon monoxide is totally painless..

I always thought they used that arsenic gas or whatever. And Carbon monoxide may not hurt you itself, but it often takes a while, and most people vomit if they inhale it directly.

Whats the point of having the FCC if you don't want them to censor?

I'd be interested to see the annual budget of the FCC.

At 3/30/04 06:30 AM, Ruination wrote: I thought it was obvious: the United States is on a spree of world domination, on all levels, be they as extreme as invasion in the Middle East or more subtle, like this little charade. They basically want to whore themselves into even more parts of the world.

Talk about a one trick pony.

At 3/29/04 08:49 PM, OpIvy420 wrote: ...and whoever disputed the claim that sex isn't better with a foreskin, here's proof from a legitimate source: http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10102003.shtml

And the male ejaculation just does not come fast enough already.

At 3/29/04 04:26 PM, CrassClock wrote: In other words, you deny everything that you implied.

Haha, you're a sad sad man.