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At 9/22/13 04:29 PM, Raab wrote: As I stated earlier your perception of reality is skewed.

And you have no perception. Cumstains don't have that.

At 9/22/13 03:21 PM, JensJensen wrote: Please learn to use two browsers to not make yourself look like an idiot

Whatever for? I like Firefox just fine. :3

Still waiting for those hints. You're the master.

At 9/22/13 03:17 PM, JensJensen wrote: STOP POSTIN ON TWO ACCOUNTs AND OVER RIDING THE 30 MINUTE POST COUNT

Take some of your own advice Raab.

At 9/22/13 03:11 PM, JensJensen wrote: Are we in Australia? THIS IS AMERICA OWNED COMPANY

Also.... Hes not advocating it that much all he is saying is you are a bitch for for sucking rat cock

Lol so what?

The fuck he isn't. Not cruelty my ass, stupid comment. And as for sucking rat cock, well I'm sure you know a lot about that. Wanna give hints? :3

At 9/22/13 02:59 PM, Raab wrote: Nope. Everything you just stated is your own personal opinion.

The mouse heaven thing was obviously a joke.

and I'm 26 years old.

Not really. Pouring boiling water over a trapped animals, to get enjoyment of its squeals of pain is wanton cruelty to animals. And legally speaking, it is too (at least in Australia). Serial killers are known to start on small animals early on, that's the reason why it's a red flag. You're just a douche who supports such shit, that's all there is to it.

So are your posts.

Sure you are. If that's true, I'm really concerned about you. A 26 year old with an infantile mind.

At 9/22/13 02:51 PM, Raab wrote: You seriously have yet to, even one time, "own" me or refute any statements I have made thus far in this thread in any way shape or form.

You have done nothing but spewed out insults to everyone who has opposed your view on this topic, as a child would.

When you address any counter arguments to yours and actually take the time to calm down after you take your Ritalin or aspergers medication and read what people are contributing to this thread and formulate an intelligent response, you might be taken seriously.

I refuted your fast death bullshit. No reply. I also refuted all your crap earlier.

Sure, because boiling a live friggin' mouse to death for enjoyment is perfectly normal and not indicative of a fucked up mindset. Whoever thinks that is OK is a fuckwit, I am so sorry for calling a spade a spade!

Yes, because your comments on mouse heaven were SO intelligent and thought provoking. Who the fuck are you trying to kid? You're just another edgy teenager, who pretends to be so macho by 'supporting' such nonsense.

At 9/22/13 02:48 PM, JensJensen wrote: FUCK ANIMALS HUMANS ARE BETTR, GET IT THRU UR BRAIN OK?

Well you're the obvious exception, you weeaboo-anime tard.

PS. Technically humans are animals.

At 9/22/13 02:38 PM, Raab wrote: Your perceptions of reality are horribly skewed, and I sincerely hope that you are just trolling.

If you aren't, you might as well go pursue a career with PETA, because those piece of shit scumbags could use a pessimistic little fuck like yourself.

Otherwise you can continue going about your life being a whiny little piece of crybaby shit.

Oh look, it's the edgy psychopath who condones torturing small animals :3

You sick fuck.

The reason I'm pessimistic is because of comments like yours, and the blatant condoning of wanton animal cruelty. Since when was it ever necessary to boil a mouse to death? To hear its screams of pain? Go to the world a favour and castrate yourself, fuckwit. You've been owned already and now you're back for more. Must like it up the anus.

At 9/22/13 02:25 PM, Sensationalism wrote: Yeah exactly. Would you want a person like that around you or in charge of say you're children or something? They're scary.

Seems like quite a few shit-for-brains teenagers in here don't understand that. They probably torture little animals themselves. Better hope they grow the fuck up soon before moving to humans (that is the common trend of serial killers). "Durr look I'm so edgy it was ok to do that, they're not human hurr". What the flying fuck.

At 9/18/13 08:37 PM, JaY11 wrote: I eat meat and it's plainly obvious that getting up in arms about animals being killed is utterly retarded if you actively support the murder of animals

It's not that the animals get killed, it's the WAY they get killed. That's what people are up in arms about. Boiling a mouse alive on Facebook for giggles is not necessary, and it's sick. What part of "torturing animals is a red flag" don't you understand?

At 9/18/13 08:14 PM, JensJensen wrote: nah there is nothing wrong with it as long as its not a human lol.
I think because rodents can be food too

Wow, you find nothing wrong with boiling a mouse alive? You're a sick, stupid bitch. I hope you don't own any pets, after all, it's ok to torture and be cruel if it's not a human (according to you).

At 9/15/13 08:12 PM, Shauna wrote: Do I need to point out that you've only made your account to argue with other forum posters who have been here for years?

You do not qualify as someone anyone is going to respect here, kindly step the fuck off and stop trying to prove a point that's actually hurting your credibility as a user here. You made a lot of comments and not one backs up anything at all. You're posts actually prove that all of humanity are abunch of fucking lunatics that use animal parts in everyday life. That what you use and I use is something that came from animal torture or killing.

No amount of fucks are being given to your posts. Go Away.

I do not give a flying fuck how long you've been here. Your points were incredibly stupid, and I showed them up for how fucking stupid they were. No fucks given indeed, yet you have been replying to them. Bottom line - comparing squishing a fly to torturing an animal to death is a fucking stupid thing to say, and referring to your longevity is incredibly laughable. Like it makes your stupid points any more valid. My point has already been proven with your moronic comparisons and your utter and complete ignorance.

At 9/15/13 08:13 PM, Gimmick wrote: In totally unrelated news, people are boiled alive each year during industrial accidents.
Doesn't mean we ban the equipment.

Because an accident is the same as intentionally going out of one's way to torture an animal for a chuckle, right?

At 9/15/13 07:43 PM, 24901miles wrote: You rest your case because the world's most popular plastic isn't made from animal products? OK then?

Yes it is. What do you think oil is? And stearic acid is still used for other plastics, many computers contain plastics that have used it in their manufacturing process.

At 9/15/13 07:31 PM, 24901miles wrote:

At 9/15/13 07:23 PM, JimmyTassadar wrote: Many plastics use stearic acid in their manufacture, and that includes plastics found in computers.

Guess where stearic acid comes from?

Not ABS Plastic.

I rest my case.

At 9/15/13 07:17 PM, 24901miles wrote:

At 9/15/13 07:09 PM, JimmyTassadar wrote: That computer you're using contains animal by-products

The closest thing to an animal by-product in a computer is plastic, and that's just because plastic is made from oil which is super-decomposed compressed dinosaur jungle goo.

Many plastics use stearic acid in their manufacture, and that includes plastics found in computers.

Guess where stearic acid comes from?

At 9/15/13 06:50 PM, Entice wrote: I don't go out of my way to hurt animals. I'm saying that I personally have problem with shooting a deer, boiling a lobster, or slaughtering a cow if I'm going to eat it later. If you're not willing to lower something to the status of food, you shouldn't eat meat at all or you're a hypocrite.

So I'll ask you this time, have you even gotten a burger from McDonalds or ordered crab at a restaurant? If so then you've probably eaten something that's alive or was factory farmed, and I personally see no problem with this.

It is not about lowering status to eat something, it's about being responsible and compassionate to what you're eating. Would you slice off a live cow's limbs, slowly, one by one, before you eat it? I'm sure you wouldn't. I am fine with meat consumption as long as the animal isn't brutally treated prior and during slaughter. This is why I don't agree with boiling lobsters. You have no reason to do it when you can destroy its brain first. Saying "who gives a fuck" is absolving moral responsibility because unlike the meat industry, you have control over how you kill your own animals.

Yes, I have. When I was a teenager and was ignorant of how the meat was prepared. I do not eat McDonalds any more because I find it unhealthy and disgusting, and I don't even remember the last time I had crab. Even if I did, you don't even know if it was factory farmed and if it was, what the conditions are like. We have very good animal welfare laws here and I have faith in them, and faith that not every meat processing plant is a hellhole. Laws in your country might be lax, don't assume it's the same everywhere else.

At 9/15/13 06:42 PM, Shauna wrote: I'm so sure you've never horribly hurt anything before, right? Who the fuck are you to take any living things life away? Who the fuck gave YOU the right? No one. Most testing facilities use animals. IT'S TORTURE. Yet we inject them or treat them horribly for our own benefit. The boiling of these animals is no different from the dog fighting, the poison pellets, the lab testing, the squishing of a fucking fly. It's no different. It's wrong. Take your head out of your ass, pls and thx.

Nope. I have never hurt anything horribly before.

Perhaps you need to realise that almost everything we use comes from the use of animals, whether it be from them directly or a byproduct. That computer you're using contains animal by-products, any medicine you've ever taken has at one point been tested on animals. We can't avoid it. And to top it off you cap off your ignorant crap by saying animal testing is torture. What kind of animal testing? Cosmetics? Cancer treatment? Gene therapy? The psychology of tickling? I can concede that some form of animal testing is useless and is being phased out as we speak, but where medical science is concerned, it is important. I doubt you have ever stepped foot or worked in a lab that uses animals for medical research. Do you have any idea how heavily regulated the field is? They can't just do whatever they want to lab animals. Torturing them and making them suffer would completely fuck up their results, I guess you've never heard of anaesthesia either. A lot of lab animals have better lives than a lot of people's pets. Many people neglect their pets, but you can't do that in a lab setting because of strict conditions and a code of ethics.

And saying the squishing of a fly is the same as boiling an animal to death is fucking stupid. No it's not the same at all, because there are degrees of cruelty. Killing an animal instantly isn't torture. Do you even understand what "motive" means? How come you don't mention it? That matters a lot. Know why? Because boiling animals to death for a laugh is pointless, cruel torture. Giving a mouse spinal inflammation, monitoring it closely, giving it pain killers to save lives and improve the quality of life at the very least has a purpose, and it's been given medication to try and minimise discomfort.

Your distinctions of torture and what is right or wrong isn't black and white. Saying it's wrong to kill something that's threatening you just ruins your credibility. It is you who needs to take your head out of your ass, naive little child.

At 9/15/13 06:25 PM, Entice wrote: If you really cared, you wouldn't be eating them. Lobster is a luxury food and boiling them alive is just the traditional way to cook them. In fact, you don't necessarily have to eat meat at all.

I bet you've eaten chicken McNuggets before; do you have any idea how fucking bad factory farmed animals are treated? Get off your high horse you piece of shit.

I mean, how fucking demeaning is it to be considered food? We could not be treating them any worse.

What makes you think I eat them? And even if I did, what makes you think I get them from places that abuse them? Nice assumptions brah.

Oh fantastic, so your argument is that because some places treat their animals like shit, some have terrible practices, means that's OK to treat an animal like an object? Great logic justifying one wrong for another there! The status of factory farms has no bearing on whether it's OK to dump a live creature in boiling water. Quite frankly you have no fucking idea how my McNuggets are made (assuming I even eat that shit), where they come from and what the conditions are like. But let's rest your mind here, we have had slaughterhouses closed down here because they breached animal welfare laws. They all need to meet a standard, and one of them is not treating their animals like shit. I'm calling you out because you're acting like a disrespectful douchebag.

Demeaning or not, that does not mean you should be an asshole. Respect your food. Don't disrespect it just because some illegal alien factory farm worker took out his anger on a cow and brutally beat it with a lead pipe. You should be better than that!

At 9/15/13 03:54 PM, Shauna wrote:

3. No difference between you torturing animals by traps or killing insects for fun as a kid. None. Everything feels pain. It might not be the severe pain as mammals feel but it's still pain and a soul you've vanished.

Don't paint everyone who uses animal traps with the same brush. Some people are actually responsible and compassionate enough to minimise the pain. Shocking, isn't it? I don't think it's possible to avoid cruelty entirely, the least we can do is limit it. Whether that means finishing off a mouse stuck on a glue trap, putting down a terminally ill pet, or making sure the process of slaughter an animal prior to eating is done swiftly.

The people who go out of their way to maim and mistreat, for no reason at all other to compensate for something missing in their lives, they aren't of good character. Bullies never are.

At 9/15/13 06:10 PM, Entice wrote: Oh who gives a flying fuck, they're food. If you can't throw something into a pot like an ingredient then you shouldn't be boiling it up to eat in the first place.

People with morals give a fuck, you degenerate sack of shit. The animal can feel pain? Make its death as short and as painless as possible, that is the least we can do. After all, it is being killed to benefit us. We owe them our gratitude. You're still throwing it in the pot, it's just dead first you meathead, it doesn't need to be alive while it's chucked in.

At 9/15/13 06:04 PM, Shauna wrote: You're right, they use POISON PELLETS LOLOL

I would argue they are a better demise than a glue trap. The animal isn't in constant panic, feels sick and drowsy, and dies in a coma induced by major blood loss. Don't get me wrong, I hate poison as well. Often other animals are victims of it. But glue traps are medieval torture devices. They're like SAW for little critters.

At 9/15/13 05:56 PM, Shauna wrote: Just remember folks, every time you set a bug bomb off or see that rat trapped in your home in glue, it's still a form of torture. Prolonged torture at that.

You speak as if those glue mats are common. Most people don't even use them. Those who do are heartless fucks anyway.

At 9/15/13 03:19 PM, notYert wrote: oh no some mice died wow so sad lets have a moment of silence wow what a tragedy

The real tragedy is you not understanding that torturing animals to death for a giggle is wrong. But yes, have a moment of silence - and keep it to spare us of your stupid comments.

At 9/15/13 05:34 PM, Raab wrote: When they go to mouse heaven (or hell if they were bad mice) they can talk about how much of a bad idea it was to do that.... and come back to earth as mouse angels and warn other living mice not to do the same stupid shit.

Your psychiatric ward shouldn't be giving you internet access.

I used to smoke a few years ago, but then I decided to play competitive football so I had to quit. Looking back I don't regert it.

For the better. I made more friends, made a network and got a job from it. I also learned valuable social skills. So usually for the better, yeah.

I need to find OJ that's not too tangy. I'd like it otherwise.

At 9/15/13 05:19 PM, Raab wrote: Thanks, I'll be sure to knock all of your teeth down the back of your throat first.

Get a time machine and give yourself an abortion pls.

At 9/15/13 05:18 PM, Thor wrote:

At 9/15/13 05:16 PM, Raab wrote: Seriously dude?
If you woke up one morning.... and found 3 mice in your "egg fryin' pan" and tossed a lid on it and turned on the heat.... I'd say that was an efficient way of taking care of the pests and sanitizing your cooking utensil all at the same time.

Agreed.

Oh look, another worthless piece of shit who enjoys animal torture.

At 9/15/13 05:16 PM, Raab wrote: Seriously dude?
If you woke up one morning.... and found 3 mice in your "egg fryin' pan" and tossed a lid on it and turned on the heat.... I'd say that was an efficient way of taking care of the pests and sanitizing your cooking utensil all at the same time.

It's not efficient at all. You have to actually wait for the water to boil. In all that time you could have devised many ways to kill them with as little pain as possible.

Oh, and I'm also not an evil, demented sack of shit. If the option was there to kill them more peacefully, I'd take it. You're a terrible person.