212 Forum Posts by "JGal21189"
aha, yes, I am the man thanks for asking... :)
Sorry if this has been posted one hundred billion times, I haven't really been on this site a lot recently, does anyone know when the new Pico game is going to come out though?
*offers a handshake* You're not so bad ;)
right back at you :)
I'd say most of what you said is accurate so I won't argue with you over it, and yes it can be changed to the better possibly. But people are so obsessed with material things for the time being that Communism won't work out for a long time. It really depends o nthe situation. In third world countries it works because they don't care for luxuries, they just want to survive. But in America this wouldn't happen because people have a lot of money and don't want to share. It can work, but just not in every situation. The whole thing sort of differs.
Alright, whatever, I'm not arguing anymore. Not because you have convinced me not to hate Michael Moore but because you won't listen to reason, that and I don't care to argue about this either.
See you have a passing knowledge of communism from a website, I have an intense knowledge of it from years of research. That doesn't exactly make me a hypocrite.
True.
And you assume I don't?
That's not what I meant. You act like you have the end all knowledge on Communism. That's what I meant, but I suck at typing.
No you really don't.
OPINION, not necessarily the truth, so don't state that like a fact.
So what if we made progress in that direction and slowly we directed towards a society where the focus is taken off of money and more on helping out everyone. (social capitalism), now say this system works really well, and gradually people become less greedy when they realize what could be accomplished from bonding together (like Star Trek for instance), now say at that point, there was less of a focus on greed and accumulation of wealth, and communism became a viable goal. That's what I was referring to.
That won't happen though because humans are naturally greedy. Some people aren't, but there is always the assholes who fuck up everything and will screw up the entire system. If it could work, then I would like it, but it can't because humans are not perfect.
In real communism there can't be a dictator, since the government is the people. There is no ruler. Just like property, rule and responsibility are owned by all.
That's the idea, but that has never happened. The real Communism will never be shown because people are obsessed with power.
See now if you understood this concept earlier, then why would you use communism as an insult? Why would you attack it? Knowing that the only thing that makes it bad is greedy people. How is it evil then? If you had any prior knowledge of this point to your initial insults, then you would have been stupid to use communism as an insult, instead of just ignorant, as you came off as.
I attack it because it can't be used correctly. If people were perfect it could be nice, but nobody is perfect so it can't work. I hate Communism, the idea is okay if the world was perfect in every aspect, but everything would be an okay idea basically (well, except being a nazi, but that wouldn't happen because everyone would get along). The idea of it is nice enough but it just can't be performed properly. Even you can admit that it isn't a perfect idea because people can not perform it correctly.
So if the world were different, you would be a communist too. Which is exactly what I said at the beginning. So essentially you just conceded every point I made. Because you are now putting yourself in the same spot I was at the beginning of the conversation. So now should I childishly call you a communist just because you think the idea is great?
Fine, call me a communist, I would get offended, because the idea isn't a very good one, and so far, only evil things have come out of it, meaning that people who support it are only supporting evil it seems.
Yes it does. Everyone contributes what they can to society, why punish those who's contributions aren't as popular? And you choose your profession in communism still, so if generally those who work as coal miners would probably enjoy the labor enough to think it's worth the risks, some may even enjoy the risks. And if noone wanted to do it, we turn it over to the robotics division who creates robots to take care of those jobs automatically. Thus freeing up people to work on other fields that are less dangerous.
But that hasn't happened, people haven't been able to choose their jobs. Once again if the world were perfect it would work out that they could, but in real life the job is chosen for them by a government that shouldn't even exist. Communism isn't right because it will never ever be performed properly. You can quote me on this, you will never ever see Communism performed exactly like it should be.
That wasn't a flame.
Then what was it? It was definitely an insult. Ask anyone an they will probably tell you it looks like you are trying to insult me.
Him acting as though he is the chairman of the working class when he is making millions off of them, not for them, and saying people shouldn't do that, like Bush.
Cool, I'm surprised nobody has said baseball yet...
Dude Michael Moore is not a hypocrite just a person that has his own set of beliefs.
Yeah, but his beliefs contradict each other, making him a hypocrite.
Misery is what we see
Murder is what we see
Ignorance is what we see
What do you expect me to be ?
I like this little quote thing, I think it's pretty cool...
Not best sport, favorite sport. Mine is Ping Pong or Tennis...
I'm saying Indiana Jones, I would say Star Wars but Epidose 1 was so bad and I heard that Hayden Christenssen sucked in Episode 2.
wrong forum, sorry...Somebody close this please!!!
I'm going with the Indiana Jones series...
War is the only answer sometimes. As for Operation Iraqi Freedom, I'm just glad Hussein and his comrades are out of power.
Because at one time I was very interested in becoming a communist, so I did very intense research on the subject. A lot more than you did. And I can tell that based on the fact that you equated Socialism to Communism, and didn't show any sign that you knew they were different. You didn't know shit about communism, and the only thing you came up with to "prove" you did, was some bs from someone who gave his opinion of communism, and equated it to socialism, and then you turned around and repeated his mistake. That's not research, that's ignorance. You have to do a lot more than just take a search engine brief on the subject before jumping into a debate on it. I have, I've studied it pretty intensely, although I know there are people who do know more about it than I do, but I certainly understand it a lot better than you do. And that's why I don't try to use "communist" as an insult or pretend that communism is evil. It was founded from good intentions, and it's a beautiful dream.
I actually drew my own conclusions after looking at a website that had the history of communism. When I say you're a hypocrite I mean because you say if you study muscle distrophy intensely you say you still wouldn't have all the facts straight. But when you bring this up about Communism, your opinion changes and you act like you know all about it and you have everything down. You say you know there are people who know more about it then you do still but you still act like you possess a ton of knowledge on it therefor making you the final verdict on it. You need to accept that my opinion differs and I know what I'm talking about, so in other words, deal with it.
If we could realize it, I think you would be singing a different tune.
That's the thing though, we can't because of greed. There will always be a dictator who comes out of communism because human beings can not be trusted with that sort of responsibility. If the world were a perfect place, communism would be ideal, but it isn't because of greed and gluttony, etc. If people were not obsessed with power and money it would be good. But as far as I am concerned, until that day comes, it is a bad idea.
Also, say America was perfect and we were communists. Say everyone gets paid the same amount. What if you were the teacher and you got paid the same amount as a coal worker who works much harder than you, gets several diseases, and is dying from his job which was assigned to him. In other words, a lot of people will get what they want but also, a lot of people get fucked over because they can not choose their own jobs. They get paid the same amount of money though. Does this seem fair to you?
My argument was that you were ignorant on Bowling because you hadn't seen it. You already admitted it, end of story. Your memory must be pretty fucking short. And no argument is without an opinion, that's absurd. You wouldn't bother debating a point if you didn't have a stance on it, and that stance is based on your opinion of the facts.
That wasn't entirely your argument though. I changed my opinion on the film because of what others had said, not just you, it was partially your argument, but your statements didn't really change my mind.
You're talking out of your ass now.
And you say I just flame people without any information backing me up?
Bowling for Columbine is coming out on dvd in four days for those of us who haven't seen it. I just watched the trailer and I'm already getting angry over it...
I like that, becuase it seems Moore used September 11th to push his own agenda as well.
Exactly, it's another reason why he is a hypocrite, he makes fun of someone for using september 11th as a way to push themselves when he is doing exactly the same thing.
Another person who isn't so well known is Leni Riefenstahl, she made a propanganda film for the nazis called "Triumph of the Will." She was banned from hollywood for some time but the film is still used today in schools because of the magnificent cinematography. The film has wonderful directing but the message isn't right. If you do see it I suggest you rent it. I don't mean this in an offending way to anyone. It is just a very well done documentary. If you like documentaries this is the king of them I guess. The idea is wrong, but the way it is made is right.
Great! By the way, do you know what it's about?
Michael Moore looks at how George Bush used September 11th as a way to push his political agenda. I think the slogan for it is "The price at which freedom burns."
They were all outside protesting (carrying placards and the such), all in the glare of publicity, and were reported along with Moore etc. I guess they just weren't easy to demonise because their waistline isn't big enough for cheap libes when you realise it's impossible to argue without sounding clueless.
I never made fun of Moore's weight. I made fun of his attitude, his ego, and some of his beliefs, as well as his movie (which I will see as soon as I can find it). I never made fun of his weight though. Others have but I have not so don't accuse me of it. And if I did happen to it was a bad excuse for an argument and I apologize for it. The only reason I didn't say anything about them is A. I don't remember anything about it. B. The news didn't really cover anything over them protesting. C. I didn't read up on them. It's not like I just don't like Moore and then I like them over their weight, it's just that I don't know enough about what they said.
You are the man, not only do you hate Moore but you like AC/DC as well!
FINALLY, someone actually said what I am trying to get at. I don't care if you're a democrat as long as you accept the fact that his film is propanganda. Yes! Thank you oh so much for the insightful commentary. THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!
At 8/13/03 06:52 AM, RoyBatty wrote:
If people had to wait for the originator of a statement to admit he was wrong before they could conclude that he was wrong, we'd still believe that sun revolved around the flat earth. And looking up a bit on the net doesn't mean you aren't ignorant on the subject, it means you are slightly less ignorant. I mean I could look up "muscular dystrophy" online, does that make me an expert? Do I know how it happens? What causes it? The history and research involved in both discovering it and attempting to cure it? Various social issues that revolve around it? What charities go to assisting in the fight against it? Etc. I'm still ignorant if all I have is a very passing knowledge, and just because you looked up communism online long enough to pick up someone else's biased opinion and regurgitate it, doesn't mean you really understand the concept.
Then why do you act like you know everything about Communism. I researched it and you act like I am still ignorant to the subject. You research it and act like the all knowing God of Communism. What the hell you hypocrite?
I never claimed your arguments made no sense, I claimed they were based in ignorance. And your original Moore post only was about Bowling, which is why I declared it an ignorant judgment. At least with the argument against his Oscar presentation you have some amount of validity, but that had nothing to do with why I called your argument based in ignorance. And again, you don't have to accept that you are wrong to be wrong.
Well, none of your arguments have proved me wrong entirely. You say something that is based with an opinion and add a little bit of fact to make it seem like what you are saying is completely accurate. It doesn't work that way big guy, you have to have your arguments totally based on fact. Not opinion with fact blended within it.
I don't recall any valid points on your side other than "socialism is bad" (although you mislabeled it as communism) and "Micheal Moore shouldn't have spoke out against Bush at the Oscars" (Which of course is merely opinion, not really a point, but I'll give you the fact that you have the right to think that). And yes I know those weren't exact quotes. Can you prove how anything I said was "totally false"? Since you've made that claim twice now.
I can't prove it but neither can you! You haven't said anything I have said is totally false but I think a lot of your thoughts are simply opinions. You have also made statements that you really don't know are true (ex. Bush wouldn't be president if his family wasn't in politics). This may be true but you really don't know, it is just a statement that has no validility what so ever.
Now would be a good point to assume that you won't like Farenheit 911 when that comes out next year...
YES. :)
Adrien Brody also alluded to the conflict (of interests). Andy Serkis was protesting outside, as were Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins - SO WHERE THE FUCK IS YOUR COMPLAINT WITH THEM???
I did complain about Adrien Brody, I didn't hear about Susan Sarandon, Andy Serkis, or Tim Robbins either. And besides, they didn't act like loudmouths on stage. They kept their views to themselves while presenting.
Could you not be a right-wing facist?
I think every news station is bias. The people who control what the station says is always going to have an opinion that will control how the station operates. I really don't think there are that many unbias stations left. I think I'll stick with message boards.
It isn't another website, it is an underrated flash animation on this website that deserves much more credit than it gets. I'm not saying you have to but I think people should watch it and see that the animator has a lot of talent. Just look for it, it is by whoa002.
Why would you even want to make a flash like that? Who would want to watch people being raped by dead people. That's messed up, if I see it on this site I'm giving it a zero, that's just gross.
