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At 1/9/12 01:30 AM, Jay wrote: Sounds kinda like toy are referring to one's "Third Eye", although in a very confusing way.

Anyways, the answer to your riddle seems like it can only be found out by yourself...because you made it up.

So there

Actually, many people understand this riddle. It's proof that my philosophy is hard to understand because you simply haven't opened your eyes enough. Those who are part of my alliance understood it just fine. Perhaps they known me longer, and let my philosophy grow on them.

It truly is a cunning riddle. It doesn't take logic to read my OP, to see that I specifically mentioned that my girlfriend [second best in the alliance (Legit)] solved 95% of the riddle.

You can solve it, just open your eyes.. and look deeper into the riddle.

If you can't take that seriously.. I'll just tell you the answer tomorrow night. ^^

At 1/9/12 01:22 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:17 AM, Insanctuary wrote:
What proof? I don't even believe in the God or Devil. I'm just pointing out that the Devil was vilified by God.

im saying attempt to persuade me to your side so please attempt it

Well, one of the most interesting concepts that made me realise that the Devil isn't all that evil, is the concept where the Devil grants wishes to a mortal. Yet, the Devil does not for any of his own intentions onto the mortal. The mortal was evil, and had evil intentions.. The Devil only answered their wishes.

If man was not evil, the Devil would not be evil, God would be powerless.

At 1/9/12 01:23 AM, bgraybr wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:22 AM, MiloBased wrote: And no matter how deep you want to go it's still a double negative. Anyone can make up a "riddle" that makes no logical sense.

Not just anyone! Logic is irrelevant anyways. You have to look past the logic and see his absolute truth, I swear.

If you want to be that way, fine.

HINT [SINCE PEOPLE LIKE TO MOCK ME AND NOT TAKE ME SERIOUSLY] A man can see consciously and subconsciously. We are able to see and not see at the the same time. If that doesn't make sense still, I am going to murder you all.

At 1/9/12 01:17 AM, bgraybr wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:08 AM, Insanctuary wrote: 1. Yet, I can give better advice about sex. I'm still a virgin, right? [I chose to be. I had chances, but I held on.]

What does that have to do with what I said?

3. It's hard to form a basis if I see things that people don't even become aware of. It's just the way they move, the way they talk.. Their idea formula.. What they hate.. what they like.. It's all of that/ that comes together to form a map I am able to read. Something is off, it's like.. there is something missing.

I'm just going to say what I've been trying to drill into your head from the beginning. Not all homosexuals move and talk the same way, hate and like the same things. You can't form a "map" of the entire group and be able to determine that there's something missing. That's just making a huge, stereotypical generalization.

4. I have others who see exactly what I see. I'm not alone, and they see what I see clearly. I don't know how else to explain it. It's there, you just aren't aware enough to see it. I see everything as puzzle pieces, I can't help it. I'm not alone with my philosophy though. There are others who can see what I see. It's not just me. It's really hard to explain to people that something is there that they cannot see just yet. You have to become aware of it first.

There's something... that's there that I can't see. No one can tell me what it is.
How completely and utterly convincing...

Not to psychoanalyze you, but seriously, what you're seeing is just your own opinion, elevated to some sort of "sixth sense of truth". It makes sense in your mind, maybe in the minds of other people too. But there is absolutely no basis for any of it in reality land.

1. The point that you don't need firsthand experience to produce a viable opposition?

3. Of course not, but they each hold their own attributes that draws a map for me in what they do indvidually.

4. You just aren't understanding what I'm trying to explain. Humans have tunnel vision. You will be amazed how much of an effect it has on us each day. Sometimes you see things you never even thought was there. Awareness is a very powerful element, and I have spent alot of time to raise my own. Others have to, and that is why they can see what I see, while you still don't see what I see.. It's hard to explain what I cannot show you yet.

At 1/9/12 01:15 AM, MiloBased wrote: I wanted to answer your riddle, but it was riddled with double negatives, which 11 years of English have taught me do not count.

EVERYTHING THAT APPEARS TO BE A DOUBLE NEGATIVE IS NOT A DOUBLE NEGATIVE, BUT A DEEPER PERSPECTIVE ON HOW TO VIEW THIS WORLD.

At 1/9/12 01:06 AM, beardkiller wrote: and yet i am neutral in this matter and my belief in this matter waxes and wanes based on proof...give me proof of your deitys "glory" and ill weigh it on a case by case basis and ajust my praise from there kapeich?

What proof? I don't even believe in the God or Devil. I'm just pointing out that the Devil was vilified by God.

Come on guys.. My girlfriend solved this almost. [95%.]

Are you going to let her beat you guys?

I assure you, this is no normal riddle. I set it up perfectly for those who are able to see more than reality.. Who are able to see that we can see without seeing consciously [hint].

Goodluck guys!

Few more hints: 1. There are two questions. What is the riddle itself about? Then what is the answer to the riddle's question? 2. Everything that appears to be a double negative is not a double negative, but a deeper perspective on how to view this world.

At 1/9/12 01:00 AM, bgraybr wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:51 AM, Insanctuary wrote: 1. Well.. I do.. How can you not see that there is something fake-esque about the relationships?

I see absolutely nothing fake about homosexual relationships, compared to heterosexual.

As much as I hate to use this argument, if you are not a homosexual then you can not possibly imagine, truly, what it is like to be attracted to someone of the same sex. Perhaps that is why you cannot see anything legitimate about their relationships? After all you do tend to base everything on your own feelings.

2. Alright. I'll agree with that. I just don't know how to explain how my minds is able to scrutinise things. I just 'see' things. I 'feel' things. I can tell when something doesn't seem quite right.

Okay.

3. I'll bet you that they know they are completely going off on false pretenses.

Do you have any factual basis for this?

4. Perhaps.. You see me the wrong way. I'm simply stating what I see as true. I'm more of an opened book, and not afraid to speak my mind broadly. Hopefully you'll understand that much.

In every single argument that I've seen you get into, you simply state your opinion. If anyone asks you to provide evidence you just refer to your own "feelings" or go off on a tangent about how evidence is irrelevant. Your feelings = your own opinions. You're free to have them and state what they are, but they are not truth and they certainly don't qualify as evidence.

Your "philosophy" as far as I can see, is the philosophy of "only I can see the truth but I can't explain to anyone else why I'm right".

1. Yet, I can give better advice about sex. I'm still a virgin, right? [I chose to be. I had chances, but I held on.]

3. It's hard to form a basis if I see things that people don't even become aware of. It's just the way they move, the way they talk.. Their idea formula.. What they hate.. what they like.. It's all of that/ that comes together to form a map I am able to read. Something is off, it's like.. there is something missing.

4. I have others who see exactly what I see. I'm not alone, and they see what I see clearly. I don't know how else to explain it. It's there, you just aren't aware enough to see it. I see everything as puzzle pieces, I can't help it. I'm not alone with my philosophy though. There are others who can see what I see. It's not just me. It's really hard to explain to people that something is there that they cannot see just yet. You have to become aware of it first.

At 1/9/12 12:51 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:42 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:37 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:53 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:50 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

It may not seem that way if you really break it down, but on behalf of general knowledge, god is considered good and Satan is considered bad. That's what I was going off of.

What if I consider Devil good, and God bad? That's what I was going off of.

what if im going off neither are good or bad its just a matter of perception

What if you can't pretend what is obviously true?

The Devil is the same victim as everyone else who is blamed for self righteous pricks' problems.

Seems to me that the Devil was a very informative man.

i do realize hes a catalyst but gods a stabilizer and he did lead a rebellion agenst the allmighty because if he is omnipotent he wouldve planned it so satan=catalyst for development God=Stabilizer for socity
Me:Neutral who praises whoever earns it at the time

I'd believe Satan over God any day.

Satan never talked about himself like he was some almighty; omniscient; omnipotent being.

It's God this. God that. God is the world. God is us. Only love God. Nothing else exists. Just God. God is everything.

Pfhahahaha

At 1/9/12 12:57 AM, monkeytroubleaj wrote: nope.

It's a very deep riddle.

Am I, or am I not?

Why not put some effort into it, eh?

At 1/9/12 12:44 AM, bgraybr wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:39 AM, Insanctuary wrote: 1. Considering my 'off' feeling has never deceived me in my entire lifetime. No. I'm telling you, something does not add up at all.

Seriously, just trust that I'm right. I have a killer instinct for this sort of thing.

2. Your inability to see how formless my 'off' feeling comes to be, but it seems to know something I consciously cannot understamd.

I'm supposed to believe that there's something wrong with gay people because your almighty "off" feeling that cannot be translated into conscious thought says so?

3. People react differently when they really have to defend themselves. These people are defending because their defenses are being rushed, and cracked into pieces. I dare people to oppose me any day. Humans who don't want you to pressure them are hiding flaws. The question is, what are these flaws?

Maybe they're just tired of people going out of their way to stop them from being who they are and want to left alone? No one truly likes to be pressured, or to have to defend themselves.

4. Trust me.. I understand alot more than you think. There are alot of things that float around this world as 'logical' when sincerely I believe it's petty ignorance and a weak sense of understanding what life is truly about; and capable of.

Could you get any more narcissistic?

1. Well.. I do.. How can you not see that there is something fake-esque about the relationships?

2. Alright. I'll agree with that. I just don't know how to explain how my minds is able to scrutinise things. I just 'see' things. I 'feel' things. I can tell when something doesn't seem quite right.

3. I'll bet you that they know they are completely going off on false pretenses.

4. Perhaps.. You see me the wrong way. I'm simply stating what I see as true. I'm more of an opened book, and not afraid to speak my mind broadly. Hopefully you'll understand that much.

The Riddle: Am I or am I not? [I'm Shakespeare 2.0 guys.]

To see or not to see, to believe or not to believe, to be or not to be.. To foresee the history of a possibility. To be a key, to be to see, and not see, for the key is it's own lock, and this lock is the key to what we see, and believe what is to be and not to be.

Am I or am I not? Am I not able to not see and believe in what I do not have a key to see, and to finally be?

At 1/9/12 12:37 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:53 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:50 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

It may not seem that way if you really break it down, but on behalf of general knowledge, god is considered good and Satan is considered bad. That's what I was going off of.

What if I consider Devil good, and God bad? That's what I was going off of.

what if im going off neither are good or bad its just a matter of perception

What if you can't pretend what is obviously true?

The Devil is the same victim as everyone else who is blamed for self righteous pricks' problems.

Seems to me that the Devil was a very informative man.

At 1/9/12 12:27 AM, bgraybr wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:17 AM, Insanctuary wrote: To be honest. I deem alot of love, with even straight couples, false.

Okay then.

Humans are masters at being something, but not. Anyone can put on a smile, and say they are happy. Not everyone can truly display it, and when you oppose them.. Those who get defensive are hiding more than what it for their own good.

Perhaps they are defensive not because they are hiding something, but because they are used to be ridiculed and discriminated against because of their sexuality? Gay rights is an ongoing issue.

I'm just stating that gays seem to be really off.. When you look at them and scrutinise every action they make, every reaction they make.. Something is off about them.. Like.. they are living in a porcelaine world. I'm not sure.. It's what I feel generally..

You're still ignoring the fact that not all gay people behave in the manner that you described. So something just "feels" off? That means nothing. Seriously, could you get any more vague or are you just going to continue insisting that something is "off" about them without any basis for it? Perhaps you feel as if they are "off" because you do not understand their relationships?

You have absolutely no reason to believe that their relationships are not genuine.

1. Considering my 'off' feeling has never deceived me in my entire lifetime. No. I'm telling you, something does not add up at all.

2. Your inability to see how formless my 'off' feeling comes to be, but it seems to know something I consciously cannot understamd.

3. People react differently when they really have to defend themselves. These people are defending because their defenses are being rushed, and cracked into pieces. I dare people to oppose me any day. Humans who don't want you to pressure them are hiding flaws. The question is, what are these flaws?

4. Trust me.. I understand alot more than you think. There are alot of things that float around this world as 'logical' when sincerely I believe it's petty ignorance and a weak sense of understanding what life is truly about; and capable of.

At 1/9/12 12:25 AM, Stretchysumo wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:48 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:39 PM, Stretchysumo wrote: I don't give a fuck about the state of the world. One day, I'm going to die, so I might as well enjoy the ride. I'm content to be useless to the human race.

So you admit to defeatism? Since, well, you choose to waste away?

Yes.

You don't want to design a much greater lifestyle through your own will and passion? Your potential as a human being with a mind that is so endless?

I ask of you, why?

At 1/9/12 12:09 AM, NeutralObjections wrote: How about pursing a life to make other people happy? Is that so wrong?

It depends. That is very vague. I can't tell if you are making others happy, because you feel as though you do not need happiness.

Or that you wish to see smiles on other people's face.

If you are willing to tell them what they want to hear, and not speak the truth just to see them smile. No, that is wrong, and that is leading them on.

If you are willing to make somebody who is true unto themself smile, there is nothing wrong with subtle happiness.

I mainly point out the kind of happiness that sacrifices important parts of the mind's way of allocating itself. The kind that essentially deludes us from problems that need to be dealt with.

At 1/8/12 11:59 PM, bgraybr wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:34 PM, Insanctuary wrote: No. You see, I do not agree with that phrase.

That may be the case, but in the response that you posted to him earlier was nothing but an attack on the fact that he used a quote in his argument.

I seem to be under this impression that humans are consisted of both male and female characteristics [alot of us hide this], and I believe that this very concept + their ignorant, delusions, possible rebellious nature, curiosity, etc. is what draws them to the same sex.

In some cases, that is what draws them (excluding the part about ignorant and delusions). In fact, those things can sometimes bring people together, not necessarily in a bad way.

However, as I pointed out earlier that is not the case with all homosexual relationships.

Not love as you make it out to be, because really.. That is some very awkward chemistry.

Prove that two people of the same gender can't love each other.

To be honest. I deem alot of love, with even straight couples, false.

Humans are masters at being something, but not. Anyone can put on a smile, and say they are happy. Not everyone can truly display it, and when you oppose them.. Those who get defensive are hiding more than what it for their own good.

I'm just stating that gays seem to be really off.. When you look at them and scrutinise every action they make, every reaction they make.. Something is off about them.. Like.. they are living in a porcelaine world. I'm not sure.. It's what I feel generally..

At 1/9/12 12:08 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:04 AM, Insanctuary wrote: But.. Let me share a story of The Opinion..

The Opinion is like a young seed that is buried beneath the loving grounds of Mother Earth, where it can be nurtured. It is given life by the planter, and the planter becomes one with this seed of evolutionary growth. As time passes by, the planter is sent off the deep end. One day, the planter jumped off a convenient cliff several feet away from the planted seed. The seed was forever abandoned, and was only left to grow alone. The seed grew into an ugly tree, and nobody wanted to have anything to do with it.. Until it withered, and died..

Moral lesson: Take care of your opinions as if it were a seed of life.

im saying you can say what you want just be careful who hears it sombody could take it to heart and tell others who are like minded what you said thus closing yourself/this site to all but a specific group

What if people are prone to getting butthurt?

What if they can't take a voice of reason?

What if you are creating a foundation of insight for the wrong people? Opinions can be powerfully damaging, but also incredibly influencing. Alot of people just browse around.. you just never know, mate.

At 1/8/12 10:37 PM, adamflecko wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:31 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:28 PM, adamflecko wrote:

I can agree with you on this part, because the instant you lose what makes you happy, you are a cripple grasping for a wheelchair out of your reach.

The wheelchair had gone AWOL.

At 1/9/12 12:05 AM, platypuspwn wrote: All Atheists are gay and like to be anally loved.

Good thing they are atheist.

You know.. having God watching them.. *cough*

But.. Let me share a story of The Opinion..

The Opinion is like a young seed that is buried beneath the loving grounds of Mother Earth, where it can be nurtured. It is given life by the planter, and the planter becomes one with this seed of evolutionary growth. As time passes by, the planter is sent off the deep end. One day, the planter jumped off a convenient cliff several feet away from the planted seed. The seed was forever abandoned, and was only left to grow alone. The seed grew into an ugly tree, and nobody wanted to have anything to do with it.. Until it withered, and died..

Moral lesson: Take care of your opinions as if it were a seed of life.

At 1/8/12 11:50 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

It may not seem that way if you really break it down, but on behalf of general knowledge, god is considered good and Satan is considered bad. That's what I was going off of.

What if I consider Devil good, and God bad? That's what I was going off of.

Yea.. I already went without it for 3 months to test my self-control.

I don't need to prove myself anymore.

At 1/8/12 11:32 PM, TrevorW wrote:

At 1/8/12 08:55 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 08:14 PM, TrevorW wrote: So the logic its self isn't flawed, so much as the way people apply it? Perhaps most people aren't critical thinkers and fall into logical falicies? I think this is what you are saying.

You are getting the idea.

I only had to pull teeth to get it. Honestly, it wasn't clear when you wrote it.

I'm sure it wasn't. It's hard to turn your mind's language into a human language.

At 1/8/12 11:42 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:25 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:21 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 1/8/12 02:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:

Hence, God is considered good, and Satan is considered evil.

I believe

You got it backwards.

Explaination...?

The Devil was never 'evil' as much as he was depicted? The Devil never really did anything?

God on the other hand.. >:C

At 1/8/12 11:29 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:12 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:41 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 1/8/12 04:12 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 03:56 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

4a. It's hard to level with people who persist on saying that their house is made out of titanium, not cards.

So you let those people be.

4b. I wouldn't say that exactly. There were quite a few people who agreed with me, and I have friends who I talk to oftenly who agree with me.. Aswell as others who agree with me; even my mother's professors. I will work on delivering my message though, I'm always trying to improve that much.

I'm sure others agree with you, but look at what website you're on. Hell, look at what forum you're on. You can't come in here, say all that, and be surprised with the responses you get.

I'm sure you've heard of "Don't cast pearls before swine" and boy does that ever apply.

1. I can't let these people be. I want to find how to convince a wall that pretends to be a somebody that it is in fact a wall.

2. The website has nothing to do with the individuals who are on it. I have ment some brilliant people on here. The forum, I agree to an extent. I wasn't surprised with the responses, really. I just expected better arguments. I mean.. How hard is it to realise that humans are very verstile and full of potential.. Yet, so many let that go to waste like it's nothing compared to selfish indulgences..

Why selfish indulgences that only last for while, and has to be repeated over and over again to get that satifaction..?

When you can reach milestones through determination and create a life around your potential and strengths; not weakness and ignorance; that lasts forever?

At 1/8/12 10:46 PM, bgraybr wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:43 PM, Insanctuary wrote: So. Your entire statement holds truth because of this quote? ''Live, and let live''? That's basically what you just said. That the quote is 'fact' when it derives from someone who has an opinion how life should be respected and level alone for what it is.. When that is completely ludicrous in the first place. Humans are influences, and they spread like wildfire.

You just completely disregarded the meaning of the quote, trying to steer the argument in a completely different direction to avoid the fact that you can't find a single flaw in his argument.

No. You see, I do not agree with that phrase. They believe that homosexuality is completely viable simply because you should just let people do what they want to do; that it's not hurting anyone..

That does not make it viable, esp. when there is not one good reason to do so. It's just more 'sugar on top' intentions.

I seem to be under this impression that humans are consisted of both male and female characteristics [alot of us hide this], and I believe that this very concept + their ignorant, delusions, possible rebellious nature, curiosity, etc. is what draws them to the same sex.

Not love as you make it out to be, because really.. That is some very awkward chemistry.

At 1/8/12 11:21 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 1/8/12 02:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:

Hence, God is considered good, and Satan is considered evil.

I believe

You got it backwards.

At 1/8/12 10:41 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 1/8/12 04:12 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 03:56 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

1. I say that I wish to fix the world, because I want to. Doesn't mean I can, so I will make the best of what I can.

Admirable.

3. They are ignorant, and some are even as far as pathetic. I'm only speaking the truth.

Even if someone is ignorant, you don't call them that directly. Just because the truth isn't popular, doesn't mean you should speak it without tact. Talking to and with people is an art, learn it.

4a. My main problem is creating a bridge people can cross from their reality they see as solid to the reality that I see. I'm having trouble communicating with people who see the fog I see as a solid foundation.. There is no foundation. I try to elaborate this the best of my ability, but continue failing.

Because you're going about it in a holier-than-thou way. Your attitude towards people who think differently, even wrongly, comes off as very arrogant. Refusing to level with people and be polite with those who may know less than you burns bridges, it doesn't build them.

4b. It still stands, because only a few people understand exactly what I'm saying. So, it's not just in my head.

I understand what you're saying, but it's the way you need to say it.

The only thing you're accomplishing is making people see you as just another pseudo-intellectual and/or wanna-be philosopher who has an ax to grind.

3. It's really irritating dealing with some people, I tend to be allured by the truth. They truly can be a pity sometimes. What else can I say; when I'm extremely passionate about what I am doing, and beings are so stubborn with their 'way of life' that is blatantly an act of weakness. When we can be so much better than what we are now.

4a. It's hard to level with people who persist on saying that their house is made out of titanium, not cards.

4b. I wouldn't say that exactly. There were quite a few people who agreed with me, and I have friends who I talk to oftenly who agree with me.. Aswell as others who agree with me; even my mother's professors. I will work on delivering my message though, I'm always trying to improve that much.

At 1/8/12 10:30 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:26 PM, Insanctuary wrote: When you choose a lesser option over a greater. You are forming a moment where you stand lesser or greater. You guys choose the lesser options because it's more convenient for you. The greater option is alot more inconvenient and takes mental strength to follow through with.

"In my philosophy you are wrong because it says so. Mine is right because my philosophy says its right and others are wrong."

Please, explain to me, in detail, with concise language, why what I do is more selfish then what you do. I am more direct in my approach

You absolutely think that you are being your best? When you are selfish? When you've set standards? When you are going off of other people's theories; not your own?

And you honestly think you are being your best? When you are deluded? When you have ill defined unobtainable goals? When you are going off of other people's BELIEFS (Not theories, use the word right), not your own?

1. You aren't trying to make anything out of your mind you refuse to you. You just use the slums of it. You do not capitalise on how brilliant you can be. How much you can burden. How much you can see. If you just stop being so careless, and actually put some effort into becoming a better person who actually can form an argument that doesn't derive from other BELIEFS.

2. Deluded from what? So now you are the new authority; deeming the possibility of my goals? Since when have I gone off other people's beliefs? These are my own.. I spent 2.5 years+ building my philosophy. What are you talking about?