At 2/23/05 10:21 AM, Kieland wrote: I say Amen to that. We really don't know who is right and who is wrong. How do we know anyone is right? It takes either big balls or one hell of an ego for Catholics to say 'if you're not one of us you go to hell'. I should know, I'm one of them. In truth, we never really will know which side is right or wrong. All we can do is have faith in our own religions and let others have faith in theirs.

If you are not sure your "side" is right. Then you shouldn't be there at all. I mean, how can you have partial faith? "Ok, I will say I believe in this... just in case it is true.." If it is true... you think that you being partial about it, and not actually believing ... It's going to save you? I don't think God is going to have a list in Heaven and ask you "Did you assist to Church?/... Which one?" and let you in. I think it comes down to faith... He wont ask you anything, He will know if you trully believed in him... or not.

At 2/22/05 06:27 PM, newbman wrote: okay let me get this straghte: God want us to obey his will; check. God hates sin; check. God likes sincaerity; check.

I can nail this all down to one mistake made by God, granting us free will. We would be righetous, sincere, obident slaves to God's purpose. INstead he gives us free will against the judgment of his angels, gives us the ability to do wrong things, or things that do not serve God, and yet he expects us to all change and do as he asks still? NO way, his mistake now we have our own lifes, yeah he created him, but once you are out of you parents house do you follow their rules?

Angels have free will as well. But they are closer to God. So they prefer his presence more than anything. Of course, there are special cases that can be proof that Angels have free-will. Satan rings a bell? He decided to rise agianst God, there was war in heaven... etc, etc.

And I dont think the mistake is his. Dont you think it is our mistake? I mean, we changed paradise over... this? Look around at all the wars, killings and such. Oh yes, human enlightment.. We can archive nirvana... we will become gods... -Looks around once more.. turns on the news- Yep, I can see it happening...

Anyway, The point is... We always try to blame it on others. Is God's fault... It's my parents... It's society... It's that stupid girl.... That teacher... That guy... It's the goverment!!! @_@!!... Everyone is guilty.. We have become the victims...

When you look at it, People want to act freely. Do whatever they want. But they do seek for God when they want to escape the consequences of their actions.

-Blessings

Hello again...

This may sound weird but. Does any of you speak Spanish? I need two males and a Female voice, the lines are in spanish.

You can contact me through AIM, Messenger or Yahoo (Contact info in my Sig).

-Thanks.

At 2/22/05 07:26 PM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote:

At 2/22/05 06:35 PM, newbman wrote: Jewdaism was the first one-god religion, and the idea spread though blood lines, as you've so kindly pointed out in a previous topic.

Judeism isn't really that monotheistic, the bible makes mention of other gods and magic in several places, even in the Ten Commandments.

Zoroastrianism is the first dualistic religion having both a good god and an evil god, I'm pretty sure that Zoroastrianism was significant in regions close enough to the Israelite tribes that it could have a significant impact on their culture.

Judaism is Monotheistic. The Bible mentions other gods, of course. Even in the new testament talks about travels to different cities and mentions temples from othergGods. That doesnt mean that the christians worship other dods. They mention that because its historical information about other cultures or times in which people form Israel fell into those "pagan" acts. Etc, etc.

Well...

When you see the word, Religion. It comes from a greek word.. which basically means : Style of living. So in a way, everyone is a religious person (taking the word from its roots), because everyone has a style of living.

Some chooce to base their following a model, for Christians would be Jesus. For buddism Buda, for Jewish the model its following the Torah which was given by God through Moises. Etc.

Your thread seems to be about Religion. But when reading your post, it seems more about God. As to trying to answer the big question: It's there a God? Those who believe(Like my self) Will say without doubt that there is one. Those who dont believe will say that Humans are great, etc, etc. God Is an invention or a way of controlling masses,

To debate about the existance of God it's pointless. You either believe or not. And that's it. It comes down to faith. Some have it, some don't and some just say that they cant have blind faith, that they need signs and miracles and such. But we always tend to look to ourselves. Always tend to believe that we are the greatest thing ever, the human ego huh? I mean... a God? Someone better than me? Perfect? No way! That must be some kind of invention.

So, to try and create a debate about God and such, is just to add fuel to the flames. You will have religious fanatics from one side, and atheist fanatics from the others. Which both are so convinced of their believes, that they will fight to protect them. The problem is that they shouldn't. What's the point in flamming anyway? You think that by screaming to an Atheist about how he is going to hell you are going to convert him? Or by screaming to a religious person you are going to shake their faith? Of course, through this mediu screaming would be simple to insult, or just to make sarcastic remaks, be full of yourselves and such.

-Shrugs- And this is a Politics forum anyway, What is this message doing here? We will never know. Thats the beauty of free will I guess. Just as you can choose to believe or not. But to get mad because others dont and to try to force them to think as you do... Thats just dumb.

-Blessings

Ahh, Ok. I see what you mean.

Sorry.

At 2/21/05 10:17 PM, Maus wrote:

At 2/21/05 10:09 PM, inevitability wrote: A Theocracy would mean that God himself would run the country. I think you shouldnt say Christian theocracy... it makes no sense.

A theocracy is a government run by the religious leaders. There are several in the world, but none are Christian, IIRC. There are a number of Islamic theocracies.

I think the term is being used wrong then. Theos = God. So it would mean God ruling himself. But you are not talking in this thread about God but a group of people who declare to speak in his name, right?

"Theocracy: a political unit governed by a deity"

"Theocracy

a word first used by Josephus to denote that the Jews were under the direct
government of God himself. The nation was in all things subject to the will of
their invisible King. "

Unless God himself would Rule. I wouldnt aprove a goverment of someone, Name it Christian, Jew, Catholic(Which are Christians in the basics), Islamism or whatever. That declare they speak in the name of God.

I know Im making a big deal out of the word. But I just dont want people (myself) confused over it. So to the question (Who wants a theocracy) I would answer YES! right away, if the word was to be taken with its initial meaning. But if you talk about a religious group... then no way!

-Thanks for reading.

At 2/21/05 08:47 PM, King_Hammurabi wrote: If you want the United States to become a Christian theocracy, post in this topic to explain why you want this nation to be that way.

A Theocracy would mean that God himself would run the country. I think you shouldnt say Christian theocracy... it makes no sense.

Maybe you should ask "Who wants the United States to be ruled by people who SAY they speak in the name of God"...

And to stay in topic: That would ruin things for everyone.

Go to the Voice Acting Club!!

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=207423&page=12

I want to thank all of you at this Club for the great work you do. I wanted to specially thank all of you who Auditioned for GiD and those of you who had to bare with me to re-do the lines:

.GiD.
Special thanks to Elliair, Frogs, and Omahdon from this club.

Hiya all,

I'm sorry I haven't been able to post in here for a while. I was resolving a few difficulties at my congregation. I'm back in the Seminary so it consumes time. I just wanted to let you know that I am alive!. I was wondering if you did organize the club into preachers and such, or schedual or something?

Anyway, I hope every single one of you is fine. Keeping your spiritual disciplines up-to-date (praying, worshipping). Remember, we are to be testimony. Our life has to reflect the love of our father, not just our words. It's our whole life, behavior and everything we are.

-Blessings

Hello,

Some of you already know me, Some of you don't. Anyway, I'm looking for a Male voice. It must sound like a teenager and the voice has to be somewhat -soft- and not so -deep-.

If you are interested please contact me through:

AIM: xXxsmthngxXx
Yahoo!: xXxsmthngxXx
or MSN: nginevitability (at) hotmail.com

Thanks for the interest.

I thought you were not suppose to talk about the "secrets"... o_o;

Of course, the message thing aint a big secret anyway... X.x;;

At 1/27/05 04:26 PM, -trex- wrote:

all that matters is our devotion to God and our earthly actions.

Just keeping in mind that your earthly actions wont save you. Only the work of Jesus on the cross can save you. If I could be saved by my goods... Then that would mean the Jesus died for everyone but me.

-Blessings

As the title implies, voice actors are needed. I need two males. I already have the female voice. Please contact me through messenger (nginevitability@hotmail.com) or through AIM (xXxsmthngxXx).

Thanks for reading.

This will seem out of place. But I want to post here first to see if any of the members want to help.

I need voices for my next movie. If you are interested please contact me through AIM or email. Thank you.

-Blessings

At 1/19/05 11:12 PM, Draciel56 wrote: i agree! this is pretty unorganized, most of the posts are just people trying to make trouble and us responding (with heck of huge posts) back. we should.....well i dunno about a schedule...but i dunno....it could be better

That's a pretty good idea. It could be daily or weekly. Or who knows how. We should see what DC thinks about it.

There.

At 1/17/05 03:59 PM, Jamie_McGuire wrote: Sorry, just wanted to tell everyone that im backed, i was banned :)

Welcome back! What didn't you got banned for¿?

At 1/17/05 02:34 PM, _Nevyn_ wrote: im not against christians, but im not a christian myself. im just saying this for your own good. you should try to go to other forums, cuz i dont think the newgrounds BBS is a really christian-friendly forum. you will be flamed alot, and ive been in clubs that have been flamed down. that really sucked. well, as long as you dont complain about those anti-jesus movies, there wont be alot of flaming.

You are a bit late... This thread was created three month's ago. We are NG users and we like it here.

As to getting flamed... I don't think anyone in a sane state of mind would care about being insulted over the web. At least, no one mature enough. We have seen some flaming around here. And as in everything, some of us decide to ignore it. And others fight back... -coughs-stigmata-coughs- :-P

And you should read the posts. Who knows, maybe we already complain about those movies¿? Maybe we didn't. There is only one way to find out.

-Blessings

What if the whole staff dies¿?

At 1/14/05 03:51 PM, -king-o-games- wrote:

At 1/14/05 03:35 PM, jamie_mcguire wrote: LEGO LEGO LEGO !!!!

What does that have to do with abusive reviews?

I think it has to do with some problems NG had with Lego. So they can't(or are suppose not to) allow movies with Lego's in it to be in here.

At 1/14/05 03:48 PM, -DivineCrusader- wrote:

At 1/13/05 10:50 PM, LordRobbo wrote: Yeah, haven't you seen http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=199270?

Error - invalid "id" parameter.

Just erase the '?'.

At 1/13/05 04:49 PM, Myst_Williams wrote:

At 1/12/05 09:43 PM, -Stigmata- wrote:

The Anti Christ... is Satan, right? Sorry for the stupid question, i am just confused with the term 'Anti Christ'.

Is not stupid. The term anti-christ is used to anyone who denies or goes against Christ. Anyone who denies that Jesus is the Lord. That he died for our sins and ressurected, basically is denying God and and thus is considered an anti-christ.

Why do I say they are denying God¿? Because if they deny him, they deny the one that has sent him.

But, what Stigmata was talking about was "The Anti-Christ". The spawn of satan if you will. Will not be Satan itself (until a point), will be his son.

-Blessings

At 1/12/05 04:20 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: Screw all the atheist vs science vs religion thread, philosophy is where it's all at. Just because you are told something either by your holy book, your parents, your society, your test results, your own loathing of free ideas that doesn't make it true.

Isn't that the base of philosophy¿? To let your mind wonder and try to explain from what you may find logical, from your point of view¿? And even the ideas of philosophy so far "debated" in this thread come from knowledge adquired through books.

Absolute truth is an interesting subject. And it is related to math because there are some absolute truths there. Someone already mentioned 2+2=5. But what's the biggest number¿? 'Infinite' just seems a little vague for something that declares absolutes. But then again, this post is based on my point of view, thus some may agree and some may not.

Someone mentioned Socrates and God before. Platon and most of the philosophers wanted to find the To Agathon (Summan Bonum for the romans. Or Supreme Good) That's how some of them managed to get to the conception of a supreme good, like the ultimate good but from a moral and ethical point of view. But in a very vague manner they got to the conception of 'god'.

Most of them called this Supreme Good (Like the highest moral behavior a person should have) in different ways, from ideas as "happiness based on rational activities" to "gain pleasure avoiding pain".

-Blessings

I would say that Breakfast is the best. Is the first thing you eat when you wake up and if it is a good one is very satisfying.

At 1/12/05 11:52 PM, CapnJack wrote:

At 1/12/05 11:28 PM, inevitability wrote:

I just think that a rule should be established in this "internet church" that we don't get caught up on the little things. We fight for the essentials of Christianity, but we can't be divided amongst each other so if people have small arguments that they cant let go, I think e-mailing is a better idea.

I agree.

I just want to stop being worried about what people think. So what if I'm crazy about God? Can you give me eternal life and happiness? I don't think so! :-P

I know what you mean. It seems logical, it makes sense. But from saying it or thinking it to actually doing it there seems to be a long path that some don't dare to walk.

:I don't think Jesus started with His miracles and teachings until Matthew 3:16-17, when He was Baptised by John.

That made me laugh out laugh. I think I almost wake up my little brother. I don't know why, just the whole "until Matthew 3:16-17". It made me laugh, because of the way you said it. But then again, maybe I am just sleepy.

I might just put that in my sig or something. Of course, all we can do is use the gifts and talents that God gave us the best way we can, and I don't know how we could please Him more.

Yeah do that. Is a nice phrase.

-Blessings

I wouldn't call all the debates pointless. There is a general belief in Christianity: believe in Jesus, and live and love as He did. However, there are many details that can help us with our faith and can have a huge influence on our spiritual life. You can't just live and let be with Christianity, inevitability... but you can't be extreme and pick on unimportant aspects such as the day of Jesus's birth. We cannot get human ideals confused with the things that God has outlined to be important in the Bible.

That was pretty much my point, you know¿? For example. To discuss if Jesus ressurected or not. That's a big part of our faith. Or that if Jesus was only spirit(gnostic belief), is important to come out and defend our believes. I was, like you put it, Reffering to the extremes.

True, these are human things and I completely understand why you would be indifferent to this rule.

That's my point. While people(include myself) are discussing these "rules" or debating things, that's good. To help others growth in their faith and to grow yourself. But to just focus on these discussions while someone out there on a bridge is about to jump because life has no meaning or purpose... Makes you think. Is all about timing I guess. And is hard, is hard to not fall in an extreme.

I don't agree with you on that at all. Human influence and reasoning has corrupted the ancient belief system, but if the belief in Christ were truly spreading like a plague, I think our world would be better off.

Oh, I didn't say that. I was quoting someone who said that to me.

I don't know what you're talking about... I am actually embarrassed to pray in public. I'm ashamed that prayer embarrasses me, but it does! In Jesus time, people used to pray publicly so that others would respect them, but in our day people pray in private to avoid hassle.

Down here we have Christian bars and a Christian motel. Nah, I kid, just the bar.

And as about the praying: Yeah. I think it is a question of the outfit nowdays. And I am being serious. If a priest or someone from the islam (dressed like in their country) prays in public, people look at them as very religious people. But you see a guy in jeans and t-shirt praying and they look at them as crazy or fannatics. Odd.

Haha, I hope the NG Church doesn't degenerate to that level. This thread is a place to discuss Christianity in general and spread the undeniable Truths about God.

Yeah. That was what I was reffering to before. I am sorry, I didn't mean to say that all our discussions are garbage. That would be kind of weird because I participate in many debates. But I think there are limits and some people just don't know when to draw the line. You know¿? There is a difference between stating a point of view and forcing someone to it.

Obviously none of us are perfect but we do need to rely on some of our preachers because they usually know Christian teachings better than we do. However, even preachers are not prone to the devil, and evil has entered many churches...

I know what you mean. And I agreed with you. If it wasn't for the person who tought me in the faith I wouldn't know some of the few things I know nowdays. I wouldn't be interested in knowing more and more. We need these guides, God has put them there for a reason. But what we can't do is to put them on a pedestal. Know what I mean¿? I was talking to when people put their faith on the preacher.

That's not true. They tried to follow Jesus's teachings to the best of their ability, and Christians still try to this day. But most Christians fall away from God and His spiritual church. Many of us our blinded and confused, but we live in a very complex society.

Of course. But there is something important that you have pointed out: "To the best of their ability". I know there are many out there that do it even now days. But being "real", how many of the so many called "christians" actually do it... to the best of their ability¿?.

They did behave like Jesus. At least some of them, like nowdays. Some of them behaved completly opposite. I used the word "behave", I didn't say they "were like him". Because that would mean they didn't sin. But they did the best to follow him. For them to live was Christ.

It has been for years. People can use religion as a tool for manipulation.

Yeah, how sad. We can even see examples of it in the book of Acts.

I know exactly what you mean. I really want to do more. Being active on the NG Church and prayer to get closer to God is a start isn't it? I mean, we're all still young... most religious figures have been old. Even Jesus was probably an adult when He became influential.

You are right about that. But, I can't avoid question myself if maybe I am using my age as an excuse, you know¿? But, there is not a rule about it. Is one of those many "daily fights" we have. But sharing it with others helps sometimes. To know that I am not alone in that strugle.

Jesus said not to worry about tomorrow because today has enough troubles of its own :-)

Precisely. I just want to do my part, you know¿? As you put it: To the best of my abilities.

-Blessings

At 1/12/05 09:46 PM, LordRobbo wrote: I just don't see how you can worship a god which can reward a faithful Christian with a gunshot wound in the head by a criminal?

To die for him, in his name. Is the greatest honor a Christian can have. Our kingdom is not from this realm and we know that our reward awaits for us in heaven.

"For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain."

Some will accept God, will follow him. Others will not, will give their backs to him. People prefer to follow images, to follow statues. After all, you can control a statue even a crucifix. Follow an institution. As our Lord said "I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him."

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

-Blessings

P.S.: What do you believe¿? When you die, what do you think will happen¿?

At 1/12/05 08:46 PM, Myst_Williams wrote: Everyone of those questions is very true. Although, i am, at heart, one of those guys who thinks he has all the answers....

I know exactly what you mean. I was once there myself. A know it all "smartass".

Some things a hard for me to believe, such as some of the more 'miracle' type stories of the bible. Not only that, but...
I am sorry for being a Devil's Advocate, but these are some of the things i ask myself and wonder.

Not at all. We all wonder the same from time to time. The more you know about the work of Jesus. The way God has act in history, the more you wonder. The more you question but at the same time. The more you get closer to him. Who said that Jews didn't believe in him¿? All his disciples were Jews. Christianity was born within Judaism. Many of them converted to Christianity. Plenty of them believed in him, they followed him. It was the extremists who didn't believe in him, or didn't want to.

Why¿? Because they turned everything into a Dogma, into doctrine. It wasn't about following God anymore and following his commandments. It was about creating a series of rules "do this" "don't do that" and forget completly about the principles, forget completly about the attitude of the heart. They were doing stuff for men to see them. thus why Jesus treat them the way he did. Take for example what many people do, they deliberately sin then pray and they are even. I mean, is not a magic formula.

You may fake your christianity very well for the men around you to praise you. But at the end, what is going to save you is your true faith in God because he is the one that will judge you. He is the only one that can really read your heart when you pray. And he knows is what you do is because you feel really repentance or just because you seek peace of mind (Like for example: "I feel terrible. OH I know, I shall pray and ask forgiveness. Phew, now I feel better" Know what I mean¿?).

When you actually follow God, Sin burns you. It is not the rule in your life. It's the exception. You can't avoid it, you are human. But when it happens, you repent truthfully and it just shows you how hopeless you are. And how day by day, you need of God to help you, to give you the strenght to fight those daily temptations.

You said something interesting about Jesus being dead. And about how we await for him to come back. Jesus died on that cross. And with that he paid for our sins. A just died for a sinner. Just as sin enter humankind through one man, salvation came through one man. But he didn't remain dead. And this is our faith and hope: That he ressurrected, that he is alive. The hope in eternal life is that, that just as Jesus ressurected, our Heavenly Father will do the same with us at the end of times. That's the hope in eternal life.

Because God is a God of living, not of dead. And our God is alive and so is his Son.

It is hard for me to do so, but i am going to try. And i hope my efforts will prevail, thus ending my confusion.

Just remember that isn't you. Remember that you are not looking for God. You are not trying to find him. I mean, is God missing¿? Of course not. We are the ones who are lost, or once were. And he is the one who is trying to establish contact with us, to re-establish the connection that once we had but was broken because of sin.

Is up to you to take the step forth and accept his hand. To humiliate yourself and accept that you need him, not only to fill that spiritual void you have in your heart. But because without him, you will be lost (And I don't mean this in a terrenal way).

Just remember: The spiritual things can only be discerned spirtually. Pray God for Him to give you the discernment.

-Blessings

P.S.: You should read some of the previous posts made. There are some interesting debates and inputs that could be useful for you. Also start reading the Bible(if you don't already).

"Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."