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At 6/26/06 01:04 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote:

At 6/25/06 11:08 PM, Ice-9 wrote:

I'm not being sarcastic. It was touched by the Spirit today when I realized that I live in the greatest country. Not because we're right, but because we're all so stupid. Ignorance is bliss.

I'm as patriotic as the next guy, but I disagree. The US is not the greatest nation on earth. It's a good country, filled with generally good people who make a lot of generally bad mistakes. But, we have to improve it. Why do you assume that the rest of the world is a shithole?

See above response.

You're 15, so I will give you a learning experience. Seriously do this: Go down to your local VFW or AL, ask all the vets there when was the last time they left the United States. Ask them why they never left the US to become an ex-pat. Ask them what the greatest country on earth is. Then ask them why they think that way.

Maybe one day, if you take up the noble profession of soldiering and go to the far off corners of the globe to participate in "police actions" and "humanitarian missions" then turn right around to go fight some shitheads who are sitting on a mountain of oil you would appreciate what you have. The rest of the world is a mess. A godawful mess.

That's all I've got to say about that.

At 6/26/06 02:12 AM, sdhonda wrote: Ice-9, why are you assuming that everywhere else outside the US, the world is a **** hole? You may have been in the army, but you don't seem to have been doing alot of travelling.....

Look, I told you, I don't expect you to understand. My feelings aren't hurt, but jeez -it's something that must be experienced. It would be like trying to explain a color to a blind person. I can tell you of it, but that's been gone over a thousand different times by a thousand different people.

I'm glad I live in the US, and it's my right to believe that every other country on earth has nothing to offer me and is inferior to mine. If you're from the US you're welcome to leave to that better place, and if you're not from the US you're welcome to stay away.

At 6/25/06 10:53 PM, natwel wrote: I don't exactly hate america myself in fact i bet it's a smashin place to live providing your not poor i mean, good weather, disneyland, lower land costs, less taxes. But let me point out the bad points.

It has the highest rate of obesity and consumption of fast food. There are so many pupils behind with their work in america there is a school especially for people who need to catch up with missed work, so because of that it's named 'the stupidest country'. George bush has been reported to spend about $300 million each year on nuclear weapons. Also it's been made pretty clearly by investigators that the goverment were fully aware of the upcoming of 9/11 but they did nothing to stop it. So they let thousands of their own citizens get killed.

And despite all that we're still the wealthiest nation with the greatest purchasing power on earth! We pay $3 for a gallon of gas, and you're paying $5 by the litre. We have Wal-Mart filled with cheap Chinese-made products. Trade deficit? Who needs that shit! I have MTV and pay electors $400,000 a year to think for me.

That's what makes this country great.

Let's hear it for USA!

How many other countries have an "imagination" economy that works? Nobody! We are so far ahead because we're so stupid! God, this country is great.

I'm not being sarcastic. It was touched by the Spirit today when I realized that I live in the greatest country. Not because we're right, but because we're all so stupid. Ignorance is bliss.

McDonald's is tasty and we still manage to live to 74.

So what? We're fucked up, but we can still have a good time being fucked up.

I'm serious. I L-O-V-E being an American and glad I am one. I'm glad I was in the Army during 2000-2004, do you know why? Because I saw first hand how fucked up every other country is.

I let go to any kind of preconceived notions and was liberated by the wonder about me. I don't expect any of you to understand me, I'm on a higher level of "ignorance" than you.

The American haters can feel free to ignore us because we're ignoring you -I have a cable box with 64 different channels and only paying $24 a month, and it is so much more interesting.

Well, whenever you don't vote whoever you didn't vote for is elected. Even if your vote is wasted at least you can say you did what was right.

America is the greatest country ever. I realized this TODAY of all days.

I was at Wawa (if you don't know what that is, look it up) ordering a hoagie (look it up) and drinking an icee (look it up). I'm saying look it up because these a luxury item/places, but I live in a country where I can have said luxury items and a disposable income to buy such items -not too many other nations can claim that. Anyway, the girls behind the counters where absolutely hideous little trolls. I mean they were godawful (hopefully they have the best feeling snatches in the universe, because if they don't then God was playing a cruel joke on them).

So they, the troll people, were making my hoagie and I thought, 'How cool would it be if they really were trolls -like oompa-loompas- and were making me a sandwich? I'd be Willie Wonka!'

Then it hit me -this was close enough!!! I was giving these trolls a fiat currency and they were giving me something in return. For mere paper I have my own personal sandwich making oompa-loompa!

That's when I had the revelation that the US is an awesome country!

With our without A1 sauce? 'Cause you know, "A1. Yeah, it's that important.."

At 6/25/06 10:00 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: I had a professor in college who was from Scotland, and once declared that because the British mispronounce the word "Loch" the Scots should rebel. His exact words were "Let's go to war with them and cut their heads off." He then uttered the delicious phrase "Margaret Thatcher wouldn't know a guttural sound if she found it in her morning oatmeal."

The only reason this thread should be in Politics is that your misspelling of Loch might be cause for an international incident.

You have it all wrong, they were referring to the Lock Ness Monster -it's the newest member of the Lock crew!

At 6/20/06 11:13 PM, Goliath- wrote: How are you supposed to serve someone you cant understand anyway?

With the comment, "Ha, ha -you now have AIDS, si?"

At 6/20/06 10:57 PM, twilight_writer wrote:

At 6/20/06 10:11 PM, Ice-9 wrote: ...and Tom Hanks jackin' off all over the grill, giving all the customers AIDS doesn't help either. Then YOU will have to hire Denzel Washington to defend your right to work.

It's a vicious circle. Sad, really.

Come again?

If you've seen it you'd know it.

At 6/20/06 10:49 PM, Annunaki_Decendent wrote: I thought this was your free time...

I guess you can start getting an education like the rest of us.

You know what they say about people who result to personal insults, right? My prediction is: how that saying ends is what will happen to you.

Why not just rent The Big Lebowski and not discuss nihilism?

This article was a misprint. Checkout the correction. It was supposed to say, "Being a mental disorder is gay now."

All Iraqis deserve ice cream and a free trip to Disneyland!

There.

Can we move on?

Why question is simple: How will this affect the gay porno industry? Or the Bum Fights industry (no pun intended)? I mean really, what am I supposed to do with all my free time now?

Wasn't Karl the other unknown Marx brother?

You know, Groucho, Harpo, Chico, Zeppo, Gummo and Karl?

Genius! A government based on comedy! Oh wait, we have those already. They're called "democracies."

...and Tom Hanks jackin' off all over the grill, giving all the customers AIDS doesn't help either. Then YOU will have to hire Denzel Washington to defend your right to work.

It's a vicious circle. Sad, really.

Because in episode 4-11 France tried to kill Airwolf's friends!

International relations have never been the same since.

At 6/20/06 09:53 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

At 6/20/06 06:39 PM, The_Crazy_Potato wrote: Well, I think banning guns does help a great deal for a country. Canada has very low crime rates, even Toronto's shootings have become somewhat rare. I suppose it would be too late now, since anyone who's ever wanted a gun in America has one.

No touching my guns.

It's illegal to own guns in DC.

This is the greatest threat. People who don't run shit talking about shit they can't control.

America...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

Because the World Police are busy elsewhere.

If you'd like to help the Somalia feel free to put on some boots, sling a rifle and fall in for formation.

At 6/19/06 06:05 PM, GSgt_Liberal wrote: With his little camel toe.

But about this-

Military service is really quite irrelevant to experience or ability to lead.

Is it?

Warfare is the physical extension of politics. No diplomatic compromise can be reached so the "dialogue" extends into the physical realm.

An effective leader should have a sense of what's important to the common man -to include soldiers. If a leader cannot have empathy with the common people, how could he ever hope to govern them well since he cannot understand their plights?

I'm a firm believer that (like a number of foreign countries) people should have a mandatory obligation to the military (or supplement that with public service) in order to be a citizen. Without such personal experience you can never really know what it's like to be in the others shoes, nor truly appreciate what you have.

Trust me, other countries suck. We have it easy here.

At 6/19/06 06:00 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

At 6/19/06 05:57 PM, Ice-9 wrote:

At 6/19/06 05:57 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

At 6/19/06 05:53 PM, Ice-9 wrote:

And then?

Then Lincoln landed on his aircraft carrier in a flight suit.

I fail to see the problem here. Both dawned a uniform, it doesn't matter if it was the uniform of the national guard or the French Foreign Legion -they put on a uniform and took orders, filled out paper work, and delivered snappy salutes. Nobody here is saying either is a bona fide war hero.

At 6/19/06 05:57 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

At 6/19/06 05:53 PM, Ice-9 wrote: Abraham Lincoln served in the Army during the Black Hawk War. He wasn't infantry, but ash and trash is still military service.

Lincoln was a militiaman who never left the state. This gives him much the same qualification as George W. Bush.

And then?

Abraham Lincoln served in the Army during the Black Hawk War. He wasn't infantry, but ash and trash is still military service.

At 6/19/06 04:05 PM, sea_food wrote: Ice-9, then let's see American doctors and the military do studies on the effects of their depleted uranium, not just on their soldiers but on the population that have to live entire lives in area contaminated by depleted uranium.

If this hypothetical report proved DU to be absolutely harmless, then I'll gladly shut the fuck up.

Unfortunately, no such study is planned to take place anytime soon.

I concur that there have been no long term studies around the uses of DU -there can't be as it's a pretty new munition, in relative terms. However, the reverse side of that is there are no conclusive studies showing its dangerous either.

How about a "cash and carry" crude bonanza!?

There good doctor doesn't even address a few issues that will make their report inconclusive at best when it is submitted for peer review.

1) It does not address the impact the oil-for-food program had on the pre-natal care of Iraqi children.

2) The statement "the prolonged effect of ionization caused by the enormous energy emission and light energy from the massive bombing is, over a period of more than ten years, equal to one hundred Chernobyls" is unqualified. The depleted uranium never reached the radioactivity level near Chernobyl. When there is global fallout from DU, we'll talk.

Nonetheless, this report is centered around the hypothesis that radiation from DU is causing these birth-defects. Let's take some other examples to test the validity of this claim.

From Chernobyl: There have been no excess leukemias, congenital abnormalities, adverse pregnancy outcomes or any other radiation induced disease in the general population. Chernobyl Health Effects

If the Iraqi doctors claim is true, then where a higher level of radioactivity occured higher levels of disease would also occur. The Chernobyl health reports seem to contradict this.

Need some more? Let's take the works of John D. Zimbrick, Ph.D. School of Health Sciences Purdue Univerity concerning the affects of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

An excellent reference for all manner of questions regarding the A-bomb survivors is the book by William J Schull, Effects of Atomic Radiation: A Half-Century of Studies from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Wiley-Liss, Inc., 605 Third Avenue, New York, NY 10158-0012 (1995) ; ISBN # 0-471-12524-5. This is a scholarly book and yet is written at a level that the intelligent layperson can understand. It has a wealth of historical as well as scientific information about the studies, spanning the entire time period since the bombs were dropped. Following are answers to the specific questions asked:

4. Unfortunately, the epidemiologic studies on the survivors who received low doses of radiation (in the range of 0.01 Sv to 0.2 Sv) are equivocal regarding good measures of the risk of long-term health effects. This is because, even though the statistical sample available in the survivor studies is very large (nearly 100,000 subjects in the Life Span Study), it can be shown that many, many more subjects would be needed to draw reasonable statistically valid inferences from the data. Thus the data at low doses have large error bars and can be fit to mathematical models that show a threshold, no threshold, reduced effect, and in some cases even a beneficial (protective) effect, depending on the model one picks. There is no model that seems to be more valid than the others. Therefore, the consensus of the community of scientists interested in the A-bomb, as well as other, radiation studies seems to be that epidemiologic studies do not have the statistical power to give us answers to the low-dose questions. This issue is thoroughly discussed in the book by William J. Schull.

Wait, once again the Iraqi doctors conjecture is false as we now have larger samples to test the claim (Ukraine and Japan).

3) This one is pretty important: Much of the Iran-Iraq War was fought around Al-Basrah, the same place this study was done. Guess what was used? CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

The report was done on the exact same age group who would have been born after the war, but would have had parents who were old enough and in the right area to be exposed.

Since chemical weapons bind themselves to a particular function of the body (depending on the type of agent), these people would be walking around and fucking with a chemical agent now become terratogen.

The Iraqi doctors should submit their findings for peer review. Or maybe it was and deemed "inconclusive."

What we need more of is science, not agenda driven manifestos.

At 6/17/06 01:55 AM, Cantwell wrote: Right now a flag desecration amendment to our constitution is in the works. This isn't the first time it has been attempted. This is the 5th time. But this time according to voting loyalties, Republicans are ONE VOTE away from it going to the states for ratification. What does everyone thnk of this possible blow to symbolic speech? (although we all know it is being brought up due to elections)

And as a question, do we have a flag desecration problem in this country? Because I don't see one and this seems to be a waste of our legislature's time and our money. here is the article:

http://www.cnn.com/2..ndment.ap/index.html

I honestly doubt this will fly. As a veteran I see flag burning as disrespectful, however they have the right to do so.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. -That's the first right we have in the Bill of Rights.

The notion that a citizen cannot burn the flag, the symbol of the United States and her government, would contradict the first amendment. The burning of the flag, although technically sedition, is making a symbolic statement by using a symbol. The people who do so are saying, "Hey, I don't like the US and this is what I think of it."

If we stop that then we stop being America.

At 6/17/06 04:03 AM, SynapsisB6 wrote: lol.

AMERICA, HOME OF THE FREE.

unless you want to burn a flag, are gay, are atheist, are for weed-legalisation, oppose war and genocide, and much, much more =)

man I wish my country was THAT FREE.

So which country are you from?

That was very good, and at least Dr. Lahn is honest with his research instead of correcting it for PC purposes.