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Look at it this way Whoopi hosting, Denzel, and Halle winning Acotr/Actress, and Poitier got an honorarry award. On top of that Beautiful Mind Wins Best Picture, Ron Howard won Best director for the same film and Jennifer Conolly won for BM again. So where the hell was Russell Crowe for best actor, who made the film. Without him the film wouldn't have been the movie was. It makes no sense and doesn't add up. If I were you I would renounce the Academy Awards and stick to the Independant Spirit Awards where Memento got the respect it deserved. Gosford Park best screenplay over Memento my ass.

At 3/26/02 09:05 PM, Redhotchilis wrote:
Commander525 or whatever--PLEASE stop quoting the Bible. It reminds me of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, the people who are stupid enough to believe that everything said in the Bible actually happened. I believe that some of it, the stuff not involving miracles or anything, is probably history. The Bible has really just been passed down orally for hundreds of generations, and a lot can be changed if somethig is told, rather than written down. The Bible was not written by God, the Bible was written by a lot of different people, at different times. If there is a truly just, great God, he probably doesn't need to hear himself praised countless times during Church every day. I think that if there actually is a God, he probably just wants us to not do anything too evil, and be ourselves, not waste all of our time praying and being pious!

Why is it that debate over religion pisses people off so much? I think I see more harsh words over religion than anything else. The other thing I dont undestand is why you can you hate Christians and not be considereed a bigot. If I said I hated Jews, I'd be branded a hate monger.
On to my real point, The Bible was written by many people, over a long perod of time, on 4 different continents and still all the beliefs match up. Not one writer contracdicts another writer with the beliefs and scripture. That is pretty impressive. Let me put this into perspective. If you asked 10 random people on the street what the meaning of life was, what being a good person means, and where we all came from you would probably get 10 different answers on everything. Yet the Bible keeps the eact same theme from the begining to the end.
A note on the writing of the Bible, only the Levites were allowed to write the Bible down through a laborious method of copying. If it wasn't exact to the original it was destroyed.
As far as history of the Bible goes it is extremely acurate. Every person in the Bible really did exist, no one debates that. Everything written down in the Bible (we'll exclude miracles for now) is historically acurate down the last detail. From Nebuchadnezzer to The Roman Empire it's all been proven to be accurate.

Being rather religious I believe in the death penalty. Here is why, the majority of people who rape or commit sexual crimes just do it again, so releasing them isn't an option. I don't want them taking my tax money, the image of someone who sodomized an 11 year girl chomping down food that I paid for with tax money sickens me to a degree I cannot express in any way, so keeping them in prison is not an option. I believe the death penalty serves a purpose. Those who say a life is a life is a life and all life is sacred need to wise up. Life is sacred and thus by someone either ruining a life or taking it from someone, they must pay. Justice dictates it. The death penalty will fix overcrowded prisons. I don't care how we put these people to death; starve them for all I care. They were judged by a jury, found guilty, and thus have gone through the motions of the legal system we set up. The main problem I have with the death penalty right now is that it takes too long. I think it's worse for someone to stay on death row for x number of years knowing they will die, while I really don't care about these people, it's cheaper to kill them quickly, it will also once again solve the overcrowded prisons.
Now you all might be wondering why I mentioned the whole religious thing. Well God never says not to kill people, he says don't murder them. Murder is killing outside the law, the law says we can execute people if we see fit too. Some people will argue that it says "Thou shalt not kill", very wrong God told many people to go war, which resulted in mass deaths and there about a million other examples from the Bible. This is really only relevant if you're arguing from a religious standpoint. Much of my philosophies in life stem from religion, so many people disagree, since people seem to hate Christians (I say Christians, not Catholics) for no real reason or incredibly stupid reasons. I'm rambling so if you would like to discuss this further set up another topic.

Libertarian for life! For more info go to the webpage www.Libertarian.org. Basically we belive that the federal government is too big, we need a very small federal government and it needs to stay the hell out of our business. We also believe in follow in the constitution. That is a very baseline summary so please go to the website for a more indepth explination.

I am from MA and as a resident I feel it is my duty to agree with you 100%. The laws here are so ass backward. The fact that this guy is a priest should have no bearing on what he did. He needs to be punished; I personally feel he should be killed. I think all pedophiles and the like should be killed.
Now to throw some punches at the Catholic Church, why are the priests not allowed to have a wife? It is obviously not working. They are taking out their sexual urges on kids. Can't someone here put two and two together and see that maybe denying one's self marriage and sex will screw you up? I understand the whole "Religion" thing, but nowhere in the Bible does it say that priests are to remain single. That’s why every other type of Christian leader that isn't catholic can get married and doesn't go around molesting kids! It's working for them, make it work for the Catholics.

Did I ever say that I was an authoritative expert on Australia, no. I also said that I would have to look up facts on Australia, does that sound like an authortative expert? All I did was find some stats that were very detremental to your argument, that you seemed unaware of and you live in Australia. i think that speaks for itslef. I never claimed to be anything excpet a good patriotic American.
Kudos to Anarchypenguin, keep on keeping on!

Time to clear some stuff up.
The foreigner comment was to say that I don't a give a damn about the opinion since he's foreign, not cause I have a fear or foreign invaders.
Also you can't say that the writers of the second ammendment didn't want to have anything but muskets. Back then there was different types of guns besides muskets, they said the right to bear arms. Not just muskets or flitlock pistols, arms. You start thinking like that and you will once again loose all your freedoms. The founding fathers didn't think about pornography when they said freedom of press. the founding fathers didn't know how violent demonstartions can become when you assemble, etc etc. Stick to the constitution or leave the country.

Now that I know you are Australian, or at least claim to be, I can disregard everything you say since we in America don't, or shouldn't care about what the rest of the world thinks. Throw another shrimp on the barbie (did i spell that right?), toss back a Foster's, enjoy your rising crime rate with no guns and keep you views to yourself as a foreigner! Yes you are correct you can make anything fully automatic if it isn't manufactured that way. While guns may be made for killing they are outlined in the constitution as a RIGHT. And since it is a right it should not be taken away from us since we claim to follow the constitution. The problem with that is that now the anti-gun culture is saying that guns are babd and should be banned. Get out of the country if you don't want guns because they are a birth right. If they go every other right we have will be right behind it and with no guns to revolt we will become slaves. Pure Domino Effect, baby.
By the way what does that older then me comment insinuate? You're smarter than me? What?

One more thing
Gun control was introduced to Australia in 1996
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39b03f005859.htm

I am assuming you mean a Fully automatic weapon, not semi since shot guns, rifles, etc are semi automiatic. Anyway Guns are the only thing that let you kill in the heat of the moment? The number one weapon in aggrivated assualt is a screwdriver. let's ban screwdrivers. if you think that America's gun laws are crazy, look into them. You have to apply to get a Collector's/Dealer's permit to get anything other than a rifle, shotgun or handgun. Anything that is FULLY AUTOMATIC you need the C/D permit. You will also find that they differ drastcially from state to state. Also the main reason for the second ammendment is if we need to revolt we will have the necessary equipment. If we, God forbid, needed to revolt we willl have to be able to have the same guns that the army and other armed forces do. Besides that it is the Constitution I have said once and I will say it again we need to start following the Constitituion again. Now we seem to say that we don't like this we'll change it, we shouldn't change it. Love it or leave it!

While Australia's crime rate may have gone down from last year, all violent crime skyrocketed when the gun were taken away. Go to
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38dbe07c464b.htm

Also Checkout http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~lambert/guns/archive/intern

http://www.shadeslanding.com/firearms/cramer.us.canada.htmlational/msg00005.html

http://www.theage.com.au/news/2001/03/04/FFXAF3G6UJC.html
Some good stuff in there that is pretty unbaised. And when I say unbaised i say that meaning that i will not go to the NRA and get stats since they are also baised.
What doesn't make sense about the crime rate going up? You take away your citizen's right to bear arms, thus protecting themselves, crime goes up. Anyone who doesn't listen to that law, mainly criminals, will arms themselves and suddenly they a huge advantage. It makes perfect sense to me.

On another note I thought that the kids in Columbine got the guns from some guy they knew, not thier parents. Correct me if I'm wrong.

This discussion keeps coming up, but i like how this one has few different issues to it.
1. Forget about Columbine. That was much more of a lack of parental skills than guns. While they did use guns, the complete lack of the parents knowledge of thier kids was more horrifying.
2. Background checks. Background checks are totally useless. First of all (this applies in MA, maybe more states) You have get a permit to carry. not an easy thing to do. Aside from already having an FID card, which you need to take an NRA saftey course, you have to have the police of chief of your town OK you and have three people vouch for you. the police chief can simply say I don't like you; no handgun permit. End of story. What doed all this have to do with background checks? I have already had them in obtaning my permits! Why do i need more.
3. I am going to try to look up some stats on Australia I have heard that almost all major crime is up, and just a coule of percents. Not gonna talk till i have the info.
4. Equal Force Law. You can thank the democrats for this one boys and girls. This law and many other laws are simply intellectually and morraly bankrupt. What you are saying with these laws is that a man cannot defend his home from an invader. If a man (or woman) is breaking into your home, only you, no one else can stop him. You must shoot him in the front, not back and he muist be posing an immediate threat. What is an immediate threat, knife to a family member's throat etc. Let me try to put these laws in scenario for you.

You awake one night to a sound of breaking glass then loud noises down stairs. You investigate and find a masked man rummaging through you things. You call the cops. You get your gun tell the guy to freeze. He then pulls a gun on you. Your neighbor with the police scanner hears the call and hops over to your house, sees the man and shoots him. Your neighbor is in jail and will never be able to own a gun since he shot a man on someone else's property. Might have saved your life, but it simply doesn't matter. Bad scenario but it was the best i could on such short notice. This has beceom very long, but i promise you I will wiret more based on responses.
please excuse the bad typing/spelling

I think I did that head slap thing but I see how it is... always praise the drunken englishmen! ( slizor )

My mistake is was you or slizor. Damn statistics! Kudos to you.

I'm back in black, hit the sac, don't you know I'm glad to be back. etc etc

Anyway the tithe thing I'm pretty sure it means a tenth so that's where the 10% thing comes from. No freewill? This sounds familiar! I stick to what I wrote originally it's a cop out and people don't want to take responsibility for thier actions.
BTW Slizor good comment with head slap thing. Two thumbs up!

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now on to the second point about people who lived 900 years, miracles, etc... Obviously you're taking a pre calculated auto response to something like this, becuase I never mentioned anything about a sceince vrs. religion debate. Sceince isn't a big aggregate of people who seek to disprove christians. All it is a compilation of things that go through a system to prove things true or false. personally I don't beleive evrything scenitists tell us becuase no system is perfect, however from life experience it is obvious that living 900 years is impossible. Never has it been verified or even been remortly likely or possible that someone could live even close to that. Just becuase someone told me that a magical wizard with the ability to cast spells that gives him magical powers made him do, I don't belive it. It's simply insane to acually belive something like that, I don't see how anyone can defend beleiving that other than becuase a other people do the same.

I understand where you're coming from. We live in highly unenlightened times. We think just because we have never seen something with our own eyes or if modern man hasn't documented it, that it can't exist. I could quote verses on things like this, but the Bible really only has an effect on those who follow it. All of the Bible is true, this sounds crazy, I know. You can't pick and choose things you believe from the bible and still call yourself a Christian, I wish you could. Due to that fact you have to believe everything in the Bible. If you are interested in validating the Bible try looking at Evidence that Demands a Verdict by John McDowell or Case for Faith, Case for Christ. If not to convice yourself, than to get more information on how we think and why believe what we believe.

Such things as when the bible says that people lived for 900 years, and contradictions where it says that thou shall not kill and later says there is a time to kill. There are tons of things like this but I'm too tired to look through the bible just to prove my point.

The Bible says thou shalt not murder. Exodus 20:13 NIV. The definition of murder is killing outside the law so killing in wars is OK and executions are also acceptable.
The one thing you pick to ridicule is Methusela, Adam, Jared, Seth, or Kenan? (they all lived to be over 900)
God creating the world, Jesus resurrecting Lazarus, wlking on water, ascending to heaven, the 10 plagues, parting of the Red Sea, Enoch and Elijah, you pick the 900 club. I also don't see how it contradicts anything, but you probably just meant that it couldn't have happened since "modern science" tell us other wise.

Such things as when the bible says that people lived for 900 years, and contradictions where it says that thou shall not kill and later says there is a time to kill. There are tons of things like this but I'm too tired to look through the bible just to prove my point

The bible says not to murder, killing is alright when it is not illegal IE wars and so on. As far the person that lived for 900 (Methusela; I can't spell English names so don't even start) years that all fits in with the Bible Jesus and miracles an so on. Out fd all the things you ridicule that are in the bible, Jesus walking on water, ascending to heaven, resurrecting Lazarus, you pick that to dump on. I also don't see how that is a condtradiction, but i doubt you meant it to be.

I have to say that I also agree. If Condit was responsible for her murder he was a really bad murderer. I think a possible scenario could be that she got pregnant and told him. He said get an abortion. She said no way and decided to spite him by dissapearing for a long time. Just a thought.

Here is my take on the whole Femisim thing and to why certain people see things certain ways. I consider myself a Humanist. Equal rights for people. When women believe that standards should lowered just for them I draw the line. For instance becoming a firefighter, there are standrads with having to be able to lift x amount of weight. If a man can't do it; he doesn't make the cut. He can't lift the weight and will be endangering people by being on the crew. I believe that same standard should apply to women. If they can't lift the same amount of weight as was given to the man, they are held to the same rules and are cut. It's when women want special rights, almost affirmative action-like, that I say hell no! I see nothing wrong with men and women having equal rights, but can you people give some examples of where women and men don't have equal rights in the US? I will be interested in seeing what the responces are.
One last note of the whole issue, I'm not saying all feminists want special treatment for women. But some of the crazy, super wacko, die hard feminists give that impression to people by saying they want special treatment for women and so on.

You still haven't answerd the first question proposed and the entire topic of this post. Look at first post, and my original question about how the individual chrisitan deals with lies in the bible and from chuch etc...

What lies in the Bible? As for "the Church" you have to understand that there is no giant entity that is "the Church". So your question doesn't make much sense. As to the Christmass thing i celebrate it on the 25th and give presents, but i know that isn't when Christ was born. To me the celebrating is important, not the actual day. The ideals and the ideas are more important than the means. I got nothing else right now.

Now since I know your a man of god and not a catholic, can I ask a personal queston?
How'd ya pick your current religion? Parents, Lit., Friends? this should really be a new topic but what-the-hey, lets talk here.

Well basically it goes like this Christianity, all of it, has one core belief; Jesus Christ died for your sins and you believe he is the son of God that came down from Heaven etc. There are more beliefs, but i don't want to go into that now and it would take too long anyway. The different sects of Christianity (Roman Catholic, Baptists, Lutheran, Methodist, Congregational ect.) all hold that core belief, but have different beliefs on different issues such as baptism, speaking in tongues, the tribulation, and lots of other things. I picked my church based on what they believed on different things I mentioned above and some others. Odds are you won't find the perfect church; as the saying goes if you do, they won't want you there, but you can find one that is close. The things I mentioned above are things that are not clearly outlined in the Bible. They are not extremely important, if something is important in the bible it is clearly mentioned, not hinted at and repeated multiple times.
The reason I would stay away from the Roman Catholics is the fact they hold tradition higher than the Bible itself. they listen to the Pope. The believe he is the incarnation of Christ on Earth. What he says is Holy Law. Well let me tell you a little secret; the Pope is a fallaiable man, who is not different than you or I, except he gets to ride in that cool Popemobile. Any law the pope sets up is forever in the law and can't be changed. So back in the day and throughou church history you had corrupt Popes that set up laws simply to get money. this is a really long post. Any more questions feel free to bring 'em.

At 7/17/01 05:07 PM, BunnyInnards wrote: jack: sorry, now you know why i label my sarcasm

No problem, thanks for saying you are sorry, not many people would. That's really cool.
Anyway about the tradition thing. I agree that you need to thing and question what you believe. Just cause it's tradidition does not mean it is correct. A lot of the problems when dealing with people who think they know about Christians is that they think Roman Catholicism is Christianity. Roman Catholocism is the largest sect of Chrisitanity, but i believe it's almost a cult. All tradition and not much faith. I'm done for now.

At 7/16/01 03:21 PM, BunnyInnards wrote: religion shouldnt be a salad bar. You should either devote yourself to it wholeheartedly or leave it the fuck alone and dont bug other people about values and morals and right and wrong ... ignorant fuck.

One word SARCASM!. I agree with you pal. Picking and choosing makes no sense. How can you say I'll follow this rule but not that rule? By not following that rule you're saying that i don't believe it is right to follow it. If that isn't right then why are any of the rules dictated by that source right? They can't be. Makes no sense.

In response to the segments you mentioned the one about the pig is from the Old Testament. Now the one thing is a little hard to grasp in the Old Testament and New testament laws. For instance the pig thing. God said to the jews don't eat pork; it's unclean. One of jesus' deciples said something to him about pigs being unclean. Jesus said how dare you call one of my father's creations unclean. So can we eat pork? Yes. The New Testament changed that rule. Many things changed when Christ died on the cross and when he was born for that matter. We no longer had to sacrifice animals to God, Jesus was the last sacrifice. The pork thing changed. Many other things as well.
On to the homosexual thing. It does state in the bible that being a homosexual is a sin. It states that in either Leviticus or Deutoronomy, a few other places as well. However, it also states that adultry is a sin and so is fornication. So if you can follow my logic here God has a thing against pre-marital sex. Since a mariage is a church institiution and only men and women can be married, then you can't have gay marital sex. Get it?
I do agree with the picking and choosing of what you follow. That's what the New Age Movement is all about. Religion is a salad bar and I'm gonna take what I want. It's all or nothing.

Anarchypenguin That's good that you don't believe things just because someone told you. You and I are the same in that way. Blind following is very common now I have thought out religion and it makes sense to me. I'm not gonna pull a new ager here and say it works for me, but it doesn't have to work for you. I am not one those people who force you to believe. I have told what I think and the rest is up to you.

If you bothered to read my posts, GameboyCC you would have seen that i said televaneglists were abd and greedy and a horrilbe representation of the Christian faith. I agree that many seem to be greedy, for all I know they are, but since I know nothing about them I'm not gonna go spouting my mouth off. Tithing (giving money to the church) is spelled out in the Bible. 10% is all God says to give. Any more than that you can give if you want, but God says the church can run on 10% of what you make.

Harsher laws won't do it. The Clinton Administration failed to prosecute one person of a federal firearm law. Why do we need more laws when we aren't enforcing them now?

Jesus did have a brother. Mary had kids after she had Jesus. That has nothing to do with the fact that she wasn't a virgin when she had Jesus. About men changing/leving out things with the Bible. The only people that were allowed to transcibe the Bible were Levites, the priests. They had to copy it word for word, if it wasn't word for word or they made a mistake the copy was burned. Also if you look at old copies of the Bible they match up with the new copies of the Bible. If you want to talk about the different translations feel free, but I'm not getting into that now.

I didn't write that; go check it out.

For once I am in the majority with my views on guns and I am living it up! Keep up the flow of patriotism!!!

The general populace doesn't want to control their own destinies, they may on the surface, but within, they don't want the responsibility.

You have as much control of your life as you choose to have. There is no force guiding us, if there was, we would not have a purpose for existance.

Preach it !!!