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You said it, Qjedi. I hate to say it, but I think our logic is falling on deaf ears.

In the end, it's not our decision, it's the decision of the moderators. But I won't tell them how to run their gig...even tho they're trying to tell us how to run ours.

At 2/6/03 03:47 PM, olskoo wrote: I just think (even though I like ramagi an awful lot) that the club is managed badly.

Make signing up on the Blam Club Forums a requirement of membership, to show your committment.

Then you truly can claim an accurate member count as well

The problem is, however, that it isn't your choice to make that a requirement of membership. In fact, it isn't mine either. Or Qjedi's. We're not decision makers. We're just concerned members that want our fellow members to feel welcome on Newgrounds, rather than unwanted.

I'm unclear why more people don't understand the concept of one big topic. We dont clutter the board with multiple posts...we don't spam the board with repetitive topics. We keep to ourselves, when it comes to Blam Club matters.

Qjedi is right. We get a LOT of response in our topic for new memberships. Who are we to tell them where they can and can't post? If they feel more comfortable on their home turf of Newgrounds, I can't help but think that we're being a rather open-minded club by saying, 'Hey. As long as we know you're active.'

Whether or not the club is managed badly is your opinion. I happen to think we're rather successful. We're over a year old and growing. We have a lot of voting power behind us, and we get along to boot. Why make things more difficult and more political by requiring our members to do anything but what the title of the club indicates?

I truly understand what you mean. :) Don't get me wrong...I'm not totally glossing over your point. But my counter-point is simply: it isn't your decision to make, whether or not we require forum registration.

That's about it. It seems that a lot of non-members are trying to tell us how we should be run, and that's not really acceptable. I'm sure the people who run the club would be open for suggestions, but manipulating us into following rules YOU set is going a little far.

At 2/6/03 03:06 PM, VikingKitten wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=81633

It was an experiment of mine that I want deleted now. I don't know if you guys even do anything now, 'cause it seems like the last few pages have just been chitter-chatter, but whatever. Vote 0 on it all you want. It outlived its' usefullness.

Unfortunately, once it's past judgement, it can't be deleted by votes alone. I think you have to remove it yourself, or possibly have the administration do it.

That was, btw, a good experiment. I knew I'd seen that movie before, but I saw the name (didn't catch the typo) and the site (rathergood) and figured it was just the real author. If you were testing the voting and/or whistle system, it wasn't blatant enough I don't think.

Yes, we're very active. That's the topic we've been discussing, actually, in other threads. But we -are- people, so we do talk about other things than blamming. ;)

At 2/6/03 03:03 PM, olskoo wrote: my only point is that almost every clock on NG is signed up and uses the clock crew forums, we probably get 100 new signups on there a week

if the blamclub has 1080+ members and can only get 200 or so to sign up on the site, those others shouldn't really be considered members. They are not supporting the group.

Understood. But we don't run our group the way the clocks run theirs. I think that's personal preference, don't you?

If we, the Blam Club, give our members the freedom to post where they want, then that's our perogative. They ARE active. In the thread in the Newgrounds BBS. We were a Newgrounds group first, then a separate entity second. Newgrounds is our 'home', you could say.

Now, I have another concern. I've heard (either here or the other thread discussing this very thing) that any new Blam Club topics would be locked. That strikes me as odd, considering when I counted about 20 minutes ago, there were over 5 anime related threads in the first page of the BBS topics.

If the BC topic IS deleted...don't we, as members of Newgrounds, have a right to post in the Newgrounds BBS?

I actually appreciate you being civil with me, aviewaskewed. :)

I understand exactly where you're coming from...and like I've pointed out: I don't use these forums for Blam Club related stuff. I usually post in the political forum, to be honest, and that's not very often. I DO utilize the Blam Club site, and daily.

I'm not the issue. Feel free to try to talk the 2/3 of the blam club that DON'T utilize the BC forums into doing so. If you succeed? Fantastic. If you don't?

Why take away the area they choose to post in?

While your argument about the mods locking all the topics...yeah, that's very true. But I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture. It would make a lot of people VERY angry. I know I'd be angry, just because of the principle.

An example: Not too long ago, there was a 27 page long topic of some girl introducing herself, and being rather air-headish. People flocked to that forum, and I'm not kidding...the last...oh...10 pages? Was people bumping it back to the top, saying 'THIS POST WILL NEVER DIE!'

That, I think, is a completely useless topic. Yet it survived for as long as it did.

Neither you, nor anyone else, can dictate where all the Blam Club members post, and in what forum. Simple as that. You can make suggestions, ask nicely, bribe, cajole, yell, scream, whatever. But you cannot ultimately force anyone to post where they don't want to. If the 2/3 of the club that is NOT registered at the BC forums feel more comfortable posting here at Newgrounds? So be it. It's personal preference.

I agree that our members should use our site more. It would make things a lot easier. But as you can tell...these things are never easy. And by locking a topic that's still useful and keeps things tidy, I'm honestly afraid it's going to cause a LOT of anger.

As for me, all that would solve that is...I simply wouldn't come here anymore. I don't need to. But are you prepared to deal with 600 angry Newgrounders?

I'm done explaining this, I suppose. I don't think the reasons behind locking the topic are legitimate. I honestly think it's just anger toward the other topics being locked, and the BC one surviving. Whatever happens, I hope for the best.

(And know that when I use 'you', it's not singling anyone out. It's all inclusive, just used for ease of explanation.)

At 2/6/03 01:57 PM, BlGBADRON wrote: alright, with everything thats been said, why not just unlock NGBT and AG. they had conversations in them. plenty of good pics.

oh what? we can't? why not? its spam?

how is have a convo in the bc thread ANY different from having a convo in NGBT?

see my point?

Actually yes. I do. But did I ever once say THEY were spam? I don't know anything about those topics. And I'm sorry they were locked. I really don't know what they even stand for, tho I think one of them is an Anime forum.

You just all but solidified my argument. I realize that there were other forums locked. That is the focus for your anger and frustration, NOT the Blam Club. You're redirecting your ill-will toward us, when really? You should be directing your frustration at whoever locked them.

See how much time I spend in these forums? *lol* I don't even know who did that, or when. I just know that you've just all but proven my point. You're angry that the BC thread stayed alive, while the others didn't. So you want to get us back. That's rather juvenile.

At 2/6/03 01:40 PM, b3nnic3 wrote: blam club deletes crappy entries....say thank you....

Exactly. :) Thank you, b3nnic3. And you're welcome, if you were, indeed, thanking us.

Qj said it pretty well, actually. Anyone who assumes that all we do is blam blam blam, feel free to click my profile. Or his. Or several others. In fact, we do just as much protecting as we do blamming. We don't just want crap flash to disappear...we want the GOOD stuff to stick around and be appreciated.

*lmao* Sure! We'll just have to make sure Tom isn't home. ;)

I'll have to talk to Mario, though. He seems to have a Monopoly on the Lance Vance Dance. I may have to learn the nuances of it from him, so I get it right.

Oh, dear LORD you're not kidding!

I can guarantee that these people think the rest of the world is much more stupid than they are. They underestimate us.

It's actually rather scary how often that happens, and I don't mean just here. Trying to outwit others with something completely ludicrous.

Thank goodness for common sense!! *lol*

Thanks Qj. :) I appreciate it. And you said it, brothaman! *lol*

It's entertainment. All these people saying that the BC thread is defunct and useless now...it's similiar to...say...me. Walking into their homes and pulling the videos from their VCRs and DVD players, and saying, 'NO. You can't watch that, because I don't like it.'

It just doesn't make sense, people trying to tell others what to and not to enjoy.

Moderators, yes. They are moderators for a reason, and if they see a LOGICAL reason to lock and/or delete the thread, then I'm in no place to argue. But I'm honestly afraid of the havoc it might create. And I'm not talking abou the senior members.

I'm talking about the 2/3 of the members that aren't a part of the BC forums, that prefere the NG forums instead. They'll want to post here, regardless if whether or not they have the BC topic to do it in. That will probably result in a TON of little Blam Club topics that'll either piss everyone off, or get continually locked...and that's just gonna cause more trouble...when is it going to end?

That's why I vote for leaving things the way they are. Everything Blam Club in one spot. Keeps us out of the way of everyone else.

....And I still don't understand why that's so hard to get.

Yeah, Qjedi. :) That's exactly my point, actually. I think it's much better to have one contained conversation than a plethora of topics here and there that we all have to track down. Not to mention the people it would piss off outside of the BC.

So, yeah. Can't remember my number, but it's high. I've been here, so I'm not really reporting in. Besides, I think it's sorta silly.

I'd rather just ...uh...DANCE!

THE LANCE VANCE DANCE! YEAH, wOO, C'MON!

No, I'm not religious. Yes, I'm Christian. Yes, I have faith.

I can't STAND organized religion.

I could go on and on, but I won't. I respect everyone's opinion and beliefs, and I won't preach. I realize that 'Christianity' has become an obscenity in these forums, so please don't bash my beliefs.

After all, it all comes down to faith. Not proof. But faith.

Actually, you've got a point there. :)

Logically speaking, there's clones of everything, even though they're claimed as 'originals'. That's absolutely right.

I think I have the biggest problem with the movies that have the author's name right there...or perhaps a well known flash-site that's offered the movie...just...right there, at the beginning. It's so blatantly obvious that they were stolen...yeah. It's funny that some people think they can get that past people.

In my opinion? It all comes down to common sense. I trust my judgement when I know something stolen...and for the previous example I used, about space invaders...I provided a link when I blew the whistle. That way, they can compare the two for themselves and decide if it's a uncannily close knock-off, or just a stolen flash. If it's a knock-off, I'd be happy to appologize to whoever 'made' the flash, tho I doubt it's anything but stolen.

How about the people who've tried stealing ane resubmitting the Ganguro Girl game? *lmao* THAT cracked me up. Seriously.

At 2/6/03 01:07 PM, BlGBADRON wrote:

hmmm, the only reason you posted it in there was to 1. keep the thread alive, and 2. if you would have made a thread, it would have probably been locked. you have your own fucking forum to bitch about being sick.

Actually, I didn't even KNOW this was going on like this until after I'd originally read that someone was sick. So...uh. Wrong there.

And yes, here's where I ask...since when can ANYONE dictate when and where I post? Or anyone, for that matter? I constantly see threads that call people 'gay'. EVERYWHERE, I see them. They're not locked.

And frankly, they're offensive. Being homosexual is no more an insult than being of a different race.

Now,it's time for everyone to grow up and realize you can't control what other people do. I've not once tried to tell you what you can or cannot do. I've simply supplied logic, and waited for a response. What I've gotten is childish insults and vulgarities.

I think you're wanting to be a little more important than you are. Please, whoever you are...climb down from your high-horse and be a little less holier-than- thou? You've no right to tell me what I can and cannot say.

now i got to get to class, well finish this later.

No, actually we won't. I've better things to do with my time. I've made my point, and I can rest assured that the logical minds that read it will see my point, regardless of whether or not they like the Blam Club.

Only a fool that knows he's losing resorts to anger and petty threats.

At 2/6/03 12:58 PM, Devil_Knight_470 wrote:

At 2/6/03 03:26 AM, Kaosvibes wrote: i want in the blam club
wut # am i?

They never except anybody,because even you try to be nice,and try to act,but these guys are a bunch of fucking asshole,and plus the BC not unite because of the assholes,and the first thing they need to do first is throw out the asshole then I re-join

Wow...if THAT isn't false...*lol*

You can join by visiting http://www.sheltered-life.com/blam/

Simple as that. There's directions there on how to join, and it's nothing difficult. :) It's free! It's fun! It's FANTASTIC! And there's links to the rest of the features, too.

At 2/6/03 12:29 PM, chainmailleather wrote: the fact that 12k post its just a waste, whos gonia go through 440 pages of crap it just getting to big to even read

I'm not sure you understand.

I'll use small words.

That. Is. The. Point.

You don't HAVE to read through them all if you don't want to. But at least they're not spread all over kingdom-come. Can you imagine THAT many posts, THAT many pages spread out over the rest of the Newgrounds BBS?

Use a little logic, don't just use circular reasoning.

At 2/6/03 12:31 PM, Kainsdoom wrote: Well maybe if they didnt have they're accounts / user name erased from the BC forums they would post there... Speaking of, Where is mine? You don't post in 2 weeks and it gets erased? And Yet there are still users signed up with 0 posts that signed up months before I even did? Makes no sence, just because I only post when I have a question or something important to say doesn't mean it should be erased..

I reiterate what ramagi just said.

There were over 150 people that had their accounts deleted. Some were active, some weren't. I'm very active over there...and mine was deleted. It's got nothing to do with your posting or whether or not you're active. :) It was a problem with the boards.

*lmao* Alright, fine. Whatever.

Just...do us all a favor. When and if it IS deleted? Don't dare bitch about the little topics that might pop up. Don't dare bitch about the amount of Blam Club topics. And don't dare bitch about us having a conversation in a thread.

Isn't that what the freakin' board is for?? Having conversations? I mean...honestly. Can we be real for a second?

There's so much controversy about what belongs and what doesn't. I've seen SO many threads out there that survive sooooo long...and it's nothing but spam. The Blam Club forum is actually being used for what it's supposed to be. Conversation. Talking. Especially for those members that choose not to be in the Blam Club forums.

For example, last night? A member of ours was sick. We talked about it, I offered prayer, and we now know he's getting better. So...what exactly is wrong with that?

When it comes right down to it, I think there's a whole MESS of people that can't come to grips with the fact that regardless if EVERY member posts there and says something of value, it's as useful as every other topic out here on the NG forums. We chat, we laugh, we have fun...and I honestly thought that was what the BBS was supposed to be about.

I've already stated that it wouldn't affect me directly. Me saying 'that made no sense' was not a burn on the way you speak or type. It was saying, 'You didn't address my concerns whatsoever.' If you're going to debate something, do it logically. And don't ignore facts.

I think you're just afraid of being wrong. I couldn't care less whether I'm wrong or right. I just can't believe that logic is being passed up for petty arguments.

At 2/6/03 12:25 PM, Judge_MORPH wrote:

At 2/6/03 12:01 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: Wow...uh. Silly thread.

"is it stealing when you submit a movie based on a another movie?!"

Not stealing, no. I wouldn't say so. But given that the characters in hypothetical movie A were created by Guy Number 1, it would stand to make sense that Guy Number 2 would have to get permission to use said characters in hypothetical movie B. OR, like many have done, they can post a disclaimer saying, "Hey. I didn't create these characters, but I DID draw this rendition myself. It's just in admiration of the original. If this bothers you, I'll take it down."

I believe that's just common courtesy. If not legally correct as well.

And I highly doubt it was made by the person who submitted it.

is there an easy way (meaning low bandwidth) that a person can PROVE they adapted a movie (or game, etc) sufficiently to "make it their own" ??

No, no proof. But when it -looks- exactly the same...how does one author copy the work of another flash author, making it look identical...without completely copying the actionscript and the like? I can't help but think it'd be pretty hard to do. Like...identical twins. You can't have identical twins without the same building blocks, DNA.

Personally? I think people make it too complicated. If a movie LOOKS stolen, it probably is. The particular movie that I mentioned had the exact same startup screen, the exact same sound, the exact same options and directions. It doesn't take a genius to know that someone's pullin' a fast one.

At 2/6/03 12:21 PM, izax wrote:

At 2/6/03 12:15 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand.

MODS=DELETED TOPICS! Whats so hard to understand?

I hope you know that made no sense.

I'm not mentally handicapped. I know that mods delete and lock forums. I'm perfectly aware that it could happen here, and frankly? I personally wouldn't care. It's not something I post in on a regular basis.

Tell me, honestly. What would you rather have? One big topic, where everything's contained? Or a rampage of little topics everywhere?

At 2/6/03 12:10 PM, chainmailleather wrote: ant it time this topic died, whos gonia read 12k threads!

Okay, man. I've posted there TWO other places, but still...people don't get it.

See those 12,000 posts?

Imagine all of those ELSEWHERE, spread around the Newgrounds BBS.

If this topic didn't exsist, all of these posts would be spread out amongst multiple other topics, and the board might possibly get overrun with Blam Club shit.

Yeah, I'm a member of the Blam Club. But I post in the BC forums. Rarely here.

There's over 1000 members in the Blam Club. Only about a third of that is registered with the BC forums.

So answer me this: where are the other 2/3 of the members gonna post?

EVERYWHERE on the Newgrounds BBS, most likely. OR...the posts can stay neatly contained here in this thread. Nice and neat and organized.

What is SO hard to understand about that?

At 2/6/03 12:09 PM, BlGBADRON wrote:
we can lock the bc thread. like shrapnel said, its outlived it purpose, or need, whatever. if you dont want the bc to die, PUT FUCKING LINKS IN YOUR SIGS!! THATS WHY THATS THERE!!

...did you read at all what my point was?

Since I have the BC forums to post in, it doesn't really matter to me. But do you really want THAT many Blam Club members starting topic after topic after topic, trying to say exactly what would be neatly contained in one? Yes, it's a large topic. But it keeps things organized.

I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand.

And you want to know something?

The flash movie you linked to...that had a very nice, touching message. I just thought you should know that. :)

Very thought provoking, really. I applaud you.

Never done voice acting, but done stage acting. Don't have a mic. But damn, that'd be something to try.

And...this is totally not what I thought it was going to be from the title. This made me giggle!

Wow...uh. Silly thread.

Not sure what the point of it is. But if a movie's stolen, it's cheating someone out of hard work. You've got to be lazy and rather moronic to do that.

Especially if you think no one's ever seen the movie before. Take the Space Invaders Classic one, for instance, that was just submitted. That's been on one of my favorite websites for EVER. And I highly doubt. it was made by the person who submitted it.

I'm not sure who is reading what thread...so I'll make my comment here, too.

Look at the size of the BC thread. There's over 1000 members, but about a third of that are registered with the BC forums. My guess is, that the BC thread here consists largely of those that decide to stick to newgrounds, rather than add another forum to the ones they frequent.

Look at the size of the BC thread again. See how many posts? How many pages?

Now imagine ALL those posts in random little threads all over the Newgrounds boards.

I can't help but think that one HUGE thread isn't bothering people NEARLY as much as a large quantity of smaller threads would. What's really happening here?

People are confused as to why the BC thread stayed unlocked, while others were.

Well, as I pointed out elsewhere, while the novelty for the general public has worn off, there's still members who use that thread as their sole communication with the BC as a whole. It's up to you whether or not you want that communication spread out among the other topics, possibly spamming everyone else...or nice and organized in one thread.

Me? I don't post much in the BC thread. I use the BC forums. And you know...when I do post in the BC thread here? I see member names that I've never seen in the BC forums before. That's how /I/ personally know the thread here on Newgrounds serves a purpose.

There really IS that many members of the Blam Club, which is why the thread here is so popular. Not nearly as many have joined the BC forums themselves, since some people would just rather keep their forum count to a minimum.

I'd think people would be thanking us for keeping our conversations in one thread, rather than spamming the entire board with Blam Club related threads. There's so many members, that it would surely happen.

So while it may not be as functional for the general public, the novelty has worn off, all of that...those of us who are in the Blam Club enjoy having a place to congregate on NG without starting a barrage of new topics.

If that isn't logic, I don't know what is. So basically, you've got the one big thread...or a bunch of tiny little threads lying around here or there. Which would y'all prefer?

My guess is, most of the people who have a problem with the BC have had their flash deleted from NG, and blame us. While over 1000 members is a big club...we're only a fraction of Newgrounds. But, because we have the name BLAM Club, we're automatically the culprits. No skin off my back at all...I really don't mind having fingers pointed at me. :) But be honest: All of you who think the BC Thread has gotten out of hand, do you SEE how many posts are there?

Now think about all those posts...spread all over the board.

Now thank us for keeping ourselves organized. ;)

Good! Glad to hear your wife knows when to pull out all the stops. ;) And I'm even more glad to hear that you're feeling better, even if it's just a little!

We do care, Ryo. :) And I'm sending good thoughts your way. Prayers, if you choose to think of them that way. Take care of yourself, and get better. AND try to get some sleep.

At 2/6/03 03:22 AM, RyoHahn wrote:

At 2/6/03 03:10 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: First of all....WE CARE!

So shush, whoever you are. Go type badly elsewhere. I certainly hope you don't fuck like you type.

Second...Ryo? I think you need a big hug. And soup. Chicken soup. PROGRESSO.

thanks guy. I really feel like crap. I mean I have to have teh flu. right now I think I am going to pass out. I am drining ginger ale and hot honey tea. whatever helps me recover. I have to be real quiet. My wife is sleeping and so is everyone else in my house. I don't want to wake them so I am trying to keep as quiet as possible.

Hey Ryo? Do something for me?

If you get TOO sick, like...to the point where you know it's not right? Wake your wife up, and have her take you to the hospital. Sometimes the flu can get more serious than you think. And I'd hate to see you THAT sick.