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Zeus, you do not contribute to this thread! So SHUT UP!

Bravo. I think that your random button pressing came out with the most intelligent comment you've posted on this thread.

MAD, maybe not, but 1 nuke of theirs gets launched and we'll obliterate the bastards.

Nukes, chinakid? Not going to happen. Mutually assured destruction, remember? And same with bio weapons. Sending a few SARS or avian flu victims won't do anything. China is NO threat. The biggest threat comes from the Arab Muslim theocracies and dictatorships-Libia, Syria, Iran, with iran presenting the biggest threat. These nations have few ties to the US. If the dictatorship and hatred of US plus hardline muslim population was a factor, the Saudis would be a threat too, but they're too connected to us, and Jordan and Egypt aren't a threat, unless they get taken over by terrorists, which would suck for ISrael and the US would move in to defend Israel thank god, but they have a committment (Egypta and JOrdan) to peace, they made peace with israel as the first and only two Arab nations to do so. So, threats are namely Libia, Syria and Iran, with North Korea following Iran as the second greatest threat, though it won't attack. We'll attack North Korea (Democratic People's Republic Of Korea/DPRK) before they attack the US and the west. Big problems also come from the fmr. USSR not safeguarding it's nukes and military stockpiles of bio and chem weapons, namely, but also their other equipment, and selling it to potential threats, providing these rogue states and terrorists with more weapons. We've got to crack down on terror more than anything.

At 12/31/05 01:28 PM, sdhonda wrote: The only cases where I support the death penalty, are if the suspect is 100% guilty, and did something really, really horrible, namely:

Attempted/Genocide
Mass Murder
War crimes
Terrorism (like mcveigh)

I agree, to a point. Mass murder, no. Mass murder like a million people? Yeah. Genocide, hell yeah! STRING THEM UP!!! Terrorism? For sure! And war crimes? Of course! But for single homicides, rapes and such, it's too costly to prosecute and then execute. In the US, it's quite, quite costly.

Communism and socialism are economic and political, respectively. Just to clear that up.

The inherent problems with communism are a lack of economic freedom translating into a lack of sociopolitical freedoms and the problem of a lack of improvement in technology, healthcare etc, along with the issue of the ignoring of human nature!

At 12/31/05 03:30 AM, randombacon88 wrote: Alright This is how WW3 is probobly gonna start

As You read this Iran is literaly a couplee of months away from having nuclear warheads. They say that they ordered and bought uranium and plutonium for Nuclear power however the Kind of Nuclear Materials they ordered was weapons grade. Now Iran being a mostly muslum country will soon have a nuclear warhead. The United nations is not alowing any physical efforts to be made to stop irans production and only negotiating will be done. Iran has not stopped to demands yet and probobly will not. Isreal being the most proboble and vulnerable target will take action first attacking iran to prevent a nuculear strike in their country.

Now we have an international affair. All the major countries in the middle east (except iraq) will unite and try to attack isreal, as they have done before but this time they have nuclear capabilities. The United States will try to stay out but when threats towards our homelands arise we will be forced into action alongside isreal. Various Other european countries will take sides and we have a full scale war on out hands.

Lol, you're really dumb. The US is so heavily invested in the middle eastern oil producers that they won't attack israel. Saudis won't attack israel, neither will Jordan and Egypt who are allies with israel. Syria and Lebanon might, but they'd get their asses kicked by the USA, Israel and NATO, and the UN assholes too.

China will never attack the West. They rely on us too much and vice versa. We need goods, they need $ and intellectual capital.

Why? because most americans are idiots. Unfortunately.

But seriously, intolerent assholes like savage, limbaugh and coulter should be taken off the air, seriously. Coulter talks about invading all muslim nations and conquering them and so do the others. These idiots are homophobic, racist and white supremicist! They shouldn't be allowed to live in the US. Or anywhere, for that matter.

At 12/31/05 11:32 AM, MegalomaniacVirus wrote: Capitalism is the only way to achieve true freedom

Hear, hear. Capitalistic nations with a democratic political system are the only successful nations these days.

The death penalty is a problematic punishment. Not only is it final, but it's costly and often misdirected. Why do you support/oppose the DP?

D-Day helped, sure, but hitler created his own downfall. He pitted the rest of the Western world that he hadn't conquered against him. Hitler was the worst enemy of Germany during WWII, or so I hear. Aside, that is, from being a ****ing ****tard who should f***ing rot.

Discuss the merits of both systems. I, personally, am a capitalist. Improvement requires desire for profit. Competition, therefore, creates a need to improve.

Discuss capitalism vs. communism and other economic systems

It's all irelevant. The Palestinians aren't distinct-they have the same culture, religion, dress etc. as other Arabs, so this eliminates the argument of them having a right to a sovereign land as they are some sort of distinct group. Which they're not.

At 12/30/05 03:25 PM, Black_rage_fucka wrote: Nazis seem to be everywhere, 2 days ago some nazi skinheads asked if I was anti-swastika I said yes, they kicked the crap out of me and stole my boots (which were 3 days old)

Are you serious? If so, you really should tell the cops.

At 12/30/05 01:47 PM, red_skunk wrote: Palestine was never a soveriegn nation before the creation of Israel, sure. But there is evidence of a unique Palestinian identity, starting in the 1800's. Someone said that the word "Palestine" was not used to describe this area before 1948. That's incorrect. The area was indeed referred to as Palestine when it was under Ottoman rule, and during the British Mandate, the people living there were referred to as Palestinians - whether they were Arab or Jewish.

Fine, so most of the land was purchased, given or conquered. So it's land that's legally controlled by Israel.

But still, this is beside the point. Whether or not there was a firmly established Arab Palestinian identity before 1948 (and most people including myself would say, no, there wasn't), there certainly is now. The term Palestinian was defined in 1968 as "'those Arab citizens who were living normally in Palestine up to 1947, whether they remained or were expelled' and their descendants through the male line." This is a sufficent definition for me.

Irrelevant. They are simply Arabs. No distinct culture, political or religious views.

It is self-evident that this is a unique group by today. They are second class citizens in Israel, the Occupied Territories, as well as the states they were expelled / moved to (ie., Jordan & others). They are a unique group today. This debate seems - to me at least - to be pushed by Zionists looking for a way to deny their right to a homeland. But I don't think it's a very strong argument.

Not only are these people not a unique group, they are NOT second class citizens. Like all residents, they have basic rights of speech, press, freedom of religion etc. Find me any proof that they're second class. Bullshit is the only thing you're spewing. And, of course, the treatment of gay men is abominable under the PA. They're hung by the neck, shot, tortured etc. There are no legal protections for ANYONE under the PA, only under Israeli law.

I remember that they blanked out his eyes on an Islamic news website I saw. I just don't see the backlash. We don't show physical depictions of God in Judaism, but I've seen physical depictions of David, Moses etc. Perhaps the cartoons were truly offensive. I would just be as offended, I asume, if someone drew an image of God or of a stereotyped Jew. I guess it's the same kind of thing.

Hold on, what are Springer's views? That's the most important thing!

We also have to know that the Palestinians, during WWII, were Nazi supporters. Namely the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

At 12/30/05 12:40 AM, Sandspider wrote:

At 12/29/05 02:32 PM, Velocitom wrote: Your right for the most part, its a draft where they would pick a random day and whoever was born on that day would be enlisted. They do not have it any more (I think it was abolished shortly after the vietnam war) but if they did it would apply to the iraq war.

But I doupt they will ever reinstate it because there would be to much rebellion, strikes and people fleeing the country.

while they might not be calling ppl into the army anymore u still have to fill out a draft form as soon as u turn 18, i think the fine for not (if they catch u) is like $1000

I think the fine is something like $5000, but they don't prosecute you anymore for not filing. But when you register to vote, unless you're a woman, they sign you up automatically. Women should be drafted too, I think. Also, if you don't comply with the draft, they're able to imprison you, as it's a federal offense, but the government hasn't done this since the 1980s, that's purely factual.

At 12/29/05 10:45 PM, Papa_Smuff wrote: I actually heard that hitler didnt attack switzerland because somthing about money.

You're right. The Swiss held funds stolen by the Nazis from Jews and other people they murdered or conquered. Fucking bastard Nazis. The Swiss held a ton of the Nazi's stolen $$$ during WWII so there we go. The Swiss, just like the Swedes, let the Nazis pass through. Wimps. They weren't willing to stand up to the baddies.

Personally, about the draft, I think that it is warranted in some cases: WWII, WWI, namely, but not during the Vietnam conflict (WHICH was not legally a war. No declaration of war existed, just the Gulf of Tonkin RESOLUTION allowing the POTUS to do whatever he wanted).

I think that the best thing in a Nazi's brain is a 5.56mm rifle bullet. Or better yet, a .50 cal.

So wait, Christians don't care about a naked depiction of the Virgin Mary, a venerated Christian figure, but the Muslims care about a couple of cartoons about Muhammed?
Confusion...

But anyway, I don't see the big deal about political expression. The cartoons don't seem racist, and as long as they're legit opinions that express some fact, like the oppression of women in Islam and the anti-semitism inherent in Islamic nations, the lack of freedom of speech in Arab nations etc., I have no problem with it.

I'd vote for Barak Obama, a junior Democratic senator from Illinois. But I want a candidate to be a social liberal (pro-gay marriage/civil unions, supporter of Roe v. Wade, pro-gun control etc.) and be an economic conservative (keep the debt down, no tax breaks for the wealthy, pro-free trade) and be supportive of Israel. But yeah, I'd vote for anyone who I agree with, woman, man, transgendered, black, white, Asian, Jew, Muslim, Christian, as long as they agree with my views and aren't racist, sexist, homophobic, stupid, anti-Semitic (which also includes being anti-Muslim, as Arabs ARE semites too) socially conservative etc.

I am of the opinion that a wall separating Mexico and the United States is a natural extention of the border. Build it something like Israel's security fence, without the need for the anti-sniper wall. However, this is only temporary, as people will circumvent it. Most importantly, we must improve conditions within Mexico, removing the impetus to leave. Mexicans leave for reasonable reasons-crime, disease, lack of opportunity-all typical third-world/developing nation problems. I can understand why they leave, but to stop it, we have to fix up Mexico.

I, personally, am not opposed to a wall separating mexico and the US. It's the natural extention of a border. Hell, it'll designate a border. Make a wall something along the lines of Israel's security fence with multiple layers of security, fence then concrete wall, then fence then asphalt with border patrols running along it. But that's only a temporary way to stop immigration. We have to improve conditions within mexico to permanently stop the want of Mexicans to come to the US.

At 12/28/05 04:05 PM, ReiperX wrote: Since the Palestinians were there prior to the formation of Israel, and well, since they didn't migrate out, they were just one day told "hey guess what, you are in Israel now, we are making your laws now."

Actually, the Palestinians were offered in 1948, over 70% of the land and the Jews assented, but the Arabs wanted all of it, so they went to war and lost. Israel WON and got the land which it had already had in a defacto manner-Jerusalem and the kibbutzim for example, which had a majority of Jews. And then the same thing happens every time. The British established Jordan as a Palestinian state!! Think about it! Why does a supposed ethnicity need another nation when they have Jordan, if you consider the Palestinians separate from all other Arabs, or almost the entire middle east if they're simply Arabs.

"Palestine and Transjordan are one, for Palestine is the coastline and Transjordan the hinterland of the same country."
- King Abdullah, at the Meeting of the Arab League, Cairo, 12th April 1948

"Let us not forget the East Bank of the (River) Jordan, where seventy per cent of the inhabitants belong to the Palestinian nation."
- George Habash, leader of the PFLP section of the PLO, writing in the PLO publication Sha-un Falastinia, February 1970

Hey, guys, let's let the 'Palestinians' and Arabs speak for themselves!

By the way, the word Palestinian is an anomaly. It's a derivation of the word Phillistine and was never used prior to 1948. by the way, it is known that the Philistines, who the Palestinians claim ancestry from through the use of the word Palestinian, while most 'Palestinians' are simply Arab Moslems and Arab Christians kicked out of their home nations.

Jews (as the State of Israel) have more claim to the land than any other group. Legal, moral, ethical, de facto and de jure.

Clearly, Arab Muslims are divided into different subgroups, but they're all Arab Muslims. Jews, however, are all one in the same except for minor minor minor religious differentations, but all Jews are Jews and identify ourselves as such.

The draft is forced enlistment into the armed services via the SSS (Selective Service System) which all male american citizens must enroll in after their 18th and before their 26th (or 25th, I'm not sure) birthday so as in a time of crisis, the government can order a draft by an act of Congress or by Executive Order and call them up for service. Generally, 21 year olds would be called up before any other age group, but the chance that a draft will actually occur is negligable, though increasingly likely as the US involves itself throughout the world in potentially long, drawn out wars of attrittion.

Personally, I would prefer not to have to force people into the military. If I were to add on provisions to the draft laws, then I would have women be drafted too, as well as letting those in undergraduate programs complete their education and go on to the military, albeit for a slightly longer period.

Perhaps a national service program would be best. After high school or, for those going on to higher education, you must either join the military as enlisted or as an officer for those after finishing higher education, but just for a period about 2-3 years longer, or, if you have religious or physical deferments, do military service just not with weapons or in combat. Or, if you won't wear a uniform, you must perform other duties-teaching, factory work, working in hospitals etc.

At 12/28/05 10:00 AM, HomeGrownTurnip wrote: Blame the Jews! As hitler would once said.

Why don't you blame the idiots who did nothing!?!

Shrapnel, calm down. We all have to recognize that the root of our anger comes from magic pixie dust spread by the Old Ones. But seriously- Nazism is a facistic, racist, homophobic and supernationalistic agenda pushed by those who seek power. It was effective in Germany due to the economic and political conditions brought upon by the worldwide depression of the late 1920s and 1930s and by Germany's defeat in WWI with the signing of the Versailles Treaty.