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They never used Agent Orange on villages, there's no point, they did it to areas of high jungle density in order to defoliate. And besides, it's not a chemical weapon, has never been declared one and is not likely to be considered one. We don't use it anymore sure, but that's because our infrared satelites do the job better now anyway. And collateral damage has never been against the Geneva Convention, that's been an accepted consequence of war since the whole war business started. Again, what's your point? What does any of this have to do with the Geneva Convention? And to answer the question presented in your first post, the last war we followed to Geneva Convention was Operation: Iraqi Freedom (the current war).

Worst president? I think Taft was worse, as was Nixon. That's just right off the top of my head.

Interesting, I thought it was just me this happened to. Wow, I thought it was really strange. It's only happened once, and I wondered what the hell was going on, so it threw me way off. I guess it might be one of those odd things girls do, like taking hours to get ready to go somewhere.

Well you'd better let him out!!.... oh, this isn't like that Prince Albert in a Can joke.

Definately bickering, people take things way too far at times, especially words.

After taking a round, I think that would take the fight out of most combatants, at LEAST for a good 15 seconds, depending on where you hit them. Nail one in the chest, and I'd be willing to bet they'll care more about dealing with a sucking chest wound than picking up their gun and fighting again. This isn't counterstrike where you can get shot and run around like nothing happened.

And I think I somebody posted something about hollowpoints. The reason why a hollowpoint round wouldn't be used is because it is impractical in a combat situation. A hollowpoint round is useless against body armor because the point is made to expand on impact. That absolutely nullifies any armor piercing qualities a bullet may have. Hollowpoints are absolutely devastating on flesh though, those things will screw you up, that's why they tend to use them in urban warfare settings where the range is closer so the chances of nailing one in the dome is higher and the possibility of coming across an armored enemy is low.

I completely agree with what you people are saying. I was clarifying Archduke's post and then adding that I can see where he's coming from on the issue. I think that people have a right to hit on whoever they want, it's a little unsettling for me, but it really isn't that big of a deal.

Yeah, there was a time when everybody in Europe wanted to find the quickest sea route to China to trade with them. China was probably the most powerful trade nation. That's even in the later years of their power, they used to bea extremely dominant. The fact that you didn't know that seems to validate the fact that they have crumbled into obscurity.

First and foremost, since when did employing large conventional bombs and shelling military compounds have anything do with the Geneva Convention? Last I heard, that was called war. Secondly, Agent Orange was a defoliate used to clear brush and forests in order to identify hidden compounds and bases and not a chemical or biological weapon. If it was a biological weapon then we never would have sent our soldiers to areas that we ourselves dusted with the stuff. The website you link to has absolutely nothing to support you, in fact all it says was that it was an herbicide used to defoliate trees and brush. Before you make any baseless claims, please collect facts first, it makes things easier for everyone.

It is the fate of the superpower to collapse. It happened with Egypt, Greece, Rome, Babylon, China, and it will happen to America. Will it happen in a hundred years? That remains to be seen. 100 years on the global stage is pretty short, as is the 228 years that America has been in existance. Judging from past collapses, each empire lasted for far longer than 300 years. In this rapidly changing age, however, I agree that the American superpower will never last millenia as the great nations did in ancient times. I'd give it another couple hundred years at the least.

I think what he's getting at is that he doesn't want to get hit on by guys, and I can relate, I would find that a little unsettling myself.

Honestly, I'm not really big on the whole doomsday, conspiracy stuff. I think there's a book called The Bible Code or something, I haven't read it, but I've heard about it, and it's supposedly pretty trippy and full of this kinda stuff.

I guess it depends on what your defination of religion is, but since it's your quiz I guess I'll just say this: "Wasn't the first time, and it won't be the last."

I'll look into it, I'm a little interested in the Politics Crew, but I don't know if I really would want to get into it that much. I just like to dabble a little bit, but I'll check that stuff out, thanks for the links.

Confucianism isn't even a religion, it's just a set of ethics and morals.

It's expensive because of all of the expense that goes into creating the program. There's a bunch of programmers who get paid pretty well, there's advertising, there's art design, there's Q&A, management, offices, death ray lasers, henchmen.... well, you know, the works.

One this note, there is actually a credit card like device that is being developed (more like a debit card) that uses wireless signals so you can buy stuff with it, identify yourself with it, the whole nine yards, and get this, it's implanted in the hand, between the thumb and the index finger. Heard about it on technology news, not some doomsday apocalyptic site (can't say I've ever been to one either, so it might be there too, I don't know, lol). Either way, the mark of the beast is supposed to go on the forehead and between the thumb and index fingers. Kind of creepy, huh? That thing isn't even close to completion, but it's in the works, just kinda gives me a slight chill.

Well put, are you sure that we didn't sign the Geneva Convention? I could have sworn we had, but then again, I've never really looked that deeply into it. And it is absolutely true that not only are we facing an enemy that will not hesitate to torture its own citizens, much less our citizens. Therefore, I wouldn't get too teary-eyed when a couple of our soldiers make them strip down and laugh. It's a lot better than getting literally gang raped and tortured in my opinion. Especially if those American soldiers are getting court martialed and the Iraqis get pats on the back.

If you graduate from the Air Force Academy, I think you are either qualified for officer training or get to be an officer right off, I'm not too sure.

Sorry, not taking things seriously doesn't convery well on the internet, and I'm sincerely sorry for the confusion Izuamoto and apfelsafat. Honestly, I'm not talking down to anyone and from the first post with the whole "hippie liberal and redneck conservative" I haven't really been taking this really seriously. Of course Liberalism doesn't necessarily mean extremist left wing, I said that as well. I was merely in keeping with the hippie liberal as mentioned above. Sorry for the mixup. And I'm not saying that socialism is a bad thing. There needs to be some government intervention in corporate American or we'd all get screwed over by The Man. And apfelsafat, the last part about "if you know the difference" was in response to the fact that you have a link to a socialist webpage on your sig. Of course you know the difference. But on a more serious note, I'm going to disagree with you that government intervention in the private domain isn't socialism. It's socialism on a very small scale, but it is still a little bit socialist. There is no pure capitalism or communism in the world, so every society has a little of both. So just chill and let's just take it easy.

Wow, that's messed up noir, just because it wasn't that great of a movie doesn't mean the art nazis should lock it up (sarcasm/joke). But seriously, I'm going to agree with Burkhead here. Bowling for Columbine was great. He kept it nice and open, he didn't blame anybody for what happened, and just left it suggesting that we shouldn't either. Fahrenheit 9/11 on the other hand was an obvious attack on Bush as a political tool, and I don't think that makes for a good documentary.

I agree, I have not been here too long, but I have been on other forums that do not have mods. It is absolutely insane. Everybody instantly assumes that just because they CAN post anything means that they SHOULD. Without mods to create some sort of order, the system spirals into savagery, sort of a "Lord of the Flies" type deal. I mean one minute we're having a perfectly fine discussion and the next, dear God, we've killed Piggy.

Well crap, wouldn't you know it, by the time I respond to all that, my computer went ahead and crashed, so I'm sorry if this isn't going to be as detailed as you'd like, but it's the same information. If you want to go over anything, I'd be glad to. First off, great post, it's good to see someone who has an appreciation and working knowledge of the Bible.

Okay, right off the bat, I love your last paragraph. He was completely God and man! How awesome is that. He died as a man, defeated Satan as a man, overcame death as a man, dealt with sin as a man, and is now seated on the right hand of God as a man! It's marvelous!

I take it the geneology you are referring to is from Matthew 1, right? That can be divided up into 3 groups of 14 generations each: 1) from Abraham to David 2) from David to captivity in Babylon 3) from captivity to the Christ. In this geneology, it does show that He is a king and the direct descendant of David. This shows that He has the authority and the standing to rule over the kingdom of the heavens, it is by no means an earthly title, as there was a time when a mob wished to take Jesus by force and make him a king. His geneology also shows that he can meet us where we're at. His geneology has kings, but also included are Moabites (The Moabites were hated by the Jews because they were started by an incestual union of lot with his daughters), harlots, and people in captivity. He is the available Christ and his geneology is a picture that no matter what our condition is, we have a right to get to Christ.

And Jesus was indeed born a man in the flesh. If he did not overcome sin, then how could we? Even if Jesus was a Nephilim, then what happened on the cross when he assumed all the sin of the world, even to the point where it became pitch black at noon? Was he still untouched by sin then? Jesus was the brass serpent in the wilderness that Moses raised up. He had the likeness of a serpent, but not the poison. The reason why Jesus was never corrupted by sin was not because He couldn't be, but because He was in close fellowship with the Father. If He wasn't a man like you and me, then how come Satan tempted Him in the wilderness? He was a perfect man, but not because He had no option not to be (although He was God in the Godhead, so if He would have sinned, the basis of God's rule in the universe would have been unfounded, as God's rule is based on righteousness, so in effect, if Jesus had sinned, the universe would have collapsed). In fact, Jesus was also baptized. Baptism is a symbol of death and burial (Noah's Ark, Pharoah and the army getting crushed by the Red Sea). Baptism is a cutting off of the world and the fleshly things. It represents that we know that we, since the fall, are good for nothing but death and burial, because sin, in God's eyes, is punished with death. Thus, even Jesus realized that his flesh was no good, even His perfect humanity was still not up to God's standard.

And man never initially received the life of God. When God breathed into man, it was the biological life, this can be seen by the fact that God placed man in front of the Tree of Life in Genesis. God wanted man to partake of the Tree of Life and take God in as life so we could become children of God, having His nature (but of course not being like Him in the Godhead). Thus, the Nephilim, would still not have the necessary requirements to be Sons of God. To be a son of anyone, you have to possess their life and nature. I have my father's life, that's why I act like him and possess some features that he does. When we are regenerated and receive Christ as the Spirit into our spirit, we are constituted children of God. Thus, Jesus' status as a Son of God, is not a position or a title, but it is a life matter. You wouldn't give someone the title "son" unless they were your actual son, which is a life matter, likewise, anyone who has received Jesus and been regenerated can faithfully say that they are a Son of God.

At 6/10/04 03:37 AM, JackOfShadow wrote:

At 6/9/04 10:01 PM, ANGRY_HATE wrote: Israel is a nuclear power...

You are kidding right? Nuking Syria will fill half of Israel with nuclear fallout. The same with nuking any of Israael's neighbours except for bombing the egyptian part of Sahara but what's the point in that? Besides there are peacful relations with most of our neighbours.

Jack, have you ever heard of the Samsom Option? If not, it's kind of easy to tell what it is by the name of it. Basically it's a MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) option. Basically, what happens is, if things go down the crapper for Israel, they bring the house down on themselves and everyone around them. America has similar options, such as the various Thermonouclear War plans, but they're so insane, nobody wants to be 30 yards from them, much less activate them. All the same, there's still a plan for it.

I agree with a lot of your points, however. I respect Israel a lot, and its seemingly inexhaustible ability to survive. Someone mentioned the 6 day war (or rather the 7 day war, lol) but anyway, 8 countries were allied against them with a force of over 250,000 infantry. Israel dominated with a much smaller force and with US arms embargoes against them. I believe the actual words of the Egyptian Prime Minister were "Israel is a mistake that must be rectified." If you people are telling me that Israel is becoming a Fascist state when what is obviously going on is constant wartime condition with its neighbors and numerous Palestinian militant groups then you definately need to study up on the topic. I've written a few papers on Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, and both sides seem to be equally vicious and remorseless. I wouldn't expect anything less from either, seeing as how they are at war with each other ever since, what was it, around 3000, 4000BC? I can't remember, oh well, it's been awhile.

First off, the Bible does speak explicitly against homosexuality in the book Romans (ironically enough, seeing as how someone mentioned that Romans did have homosexual tendencies, even though they thought 'when in rome...' was from the Bible, not bashin ya btw, honest mistake). I just so happen to have a Bible with me, and it's Romans 1:26 and 27 "Therefore God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature; And likewise the males, leaving the natural use of the female, burned in their craving for one another, males with males committing unseemliness and fully receicing in themselves the retribution of their error which was due."

And no, it's not against the 10 Commandments. I for one, don't like homosexuality, I think it is unnatural and vile. It's not the people I don't like, but rather the act itself. Should gay marriages be allowed? This is the US and is not a theocracy, so they should technically be allowed. That still doesn't mean that I agree with them.

I don't put much credence in the NWO. For such a system to be in place, they would have to drop all of their ethnic prejudices and be able to organize things with absolutely controlled consequences for decades. If such an organization was able to exist, then I say let them take over the world. If they're able to surmount impossibly tall organizational mountains, then what the hell could anyone do to stop them? Even still, if they are as powerful as you say, and as influential as you make them out to be, then why haven't they established a world rule yet, they've had all kinds of time and better circumstances to do it under. Either way, that belies how well organized and perfectly they had been set up, so it's a complete contradiction, thank you and goodnight.

The best bet is that the Antichrist is going to be Nero, I have something that explains it pretty well, but the bottom line is: it doesn't really matter. As far as the Nephilim go, when Adam fell, the Bible said that all of creation also fell, therefore, there is no way that they could have remained perfect, as they were part of the creation as well. Jesus was the Son of God, because he was God. Isiah 9:6 puts it pretty well: "For a child is born to us, a Son is given to us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." This is a prophecy of Jesus, and it clearly states that He is God and also the Eternal Father. An interesting grammatical note: for a father to be eternal, then he must have had a son forever, thus Jesus is God, in the Godhead from eternity.

The Father, Son, and Spirit compose the Trinity, and all are one, but they are also different, but not quite. It's tough to understand, I don't really get it. But an illustration that helps is this. Let's say there's this guy with a son, a wife, and a dad. He is a son, a father, and a husband, and in each of these roles, he acts differently. Unless he's hopelessly deranged, he wouldn't act the same way with his wife and son. So, he is the same person, yet in these aspects of himself, he is different. It's not an exact metaphor, but I think it conveys my point.

So, the Son of God wasn't the Son of God in a purely uncorrupted sense, He is the Son of God, having God's very nature and essence.

I have never really seen the Palestinian organizations as beeing highly organized, especially when compared to the Israelis. The Israeli military and intelligence departments are among the most efficient and well trained in the world. During the 6 Day War, without any US support (in fact, the US embargoed arms sales to them) defended themselves against 8 countried at once (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Algeria, Sudan, and Kuwait), who had gathered together an army of 250,000 troops and 2000 tanks. Not only did they survive, but they managed to wipe out the entire Egyptian Air Force (which was rather sizeable in '67) with a single strike (with not nearly as sizeable a force). Their Mossad, is also one of the most talented and efficient intelligence agencies in the world. I think it is actually considered the best. The Palestinian groups are ragtag at best, and, judging from the article, are loosely tied together, in even the most prominent organizations. With contrasts like these, it looks like a Star Wars-esque, Empire vs. Rebels scenario, except that this is real life, and neither side is good or evil. And sorry to say, as much as this could help Middle East peace talks, the possibility of there ever being a real, lasting peace is a slim chance. There's simply too much history between the Israeli's and Palestinians, and both sides are too proud not to retaliate.

Good post Rapto, you brought up some interestingr. I don't see Sunni's being too much of a problem. The Sunni sect only accounts for about 15% of the Muslims in general, and, I'm not positive on this, but I think Iraq was mostly a Shi'ite country with an elite Baathist ruling party. Therefore I would expect that, while the Sunnis are going to stir up some trouble, as they always tend to be the extremists, their ability to do so will be limited.

And you're absolutely right about the Shi'ites, if they are able to position themselves in a seat of power in Iraq, which is all but an absolute certainty at this point. And I believe that they are not happy with the occupation, but they are most likely willing to tolerate it. Shi'ites are a peaceful people, and have tended to be far less rash than the Sunni's, and they will probably take this as a small price to pay for the removal of Saddam.

I don't really see what you mean by winnable, Raptor. I guess one of our objectives is to make sure that the transition of governments in Iraq goes... cordially, but I don't see it as a condition of victory. I think that we have already won from a military standpoint. This stage in the game is like, as mentioned before, the post WW2 rebuilding process. We occupy the capital and pretty much every key location in Iraq, the only resistance are scattered groups that are probably frustrated Baathist sympathizers, and not a capable resistance movement, much less an army. Therefore, we have already won the military campaign, and we are merely in the process of helping Iraq to stabilize at this point.

Oh yes, I completely agree that freedom of speech should be as close to 100% as possible. In a law class of mine, I actually defended the KKK's right to stage White Pride marches, even though they absolutely sicken and disgust me. It is their right to believe whatever they want. I can't believe I forgot this, but it's on the tip of my mind: there's a protection in the Constitution for believing whatever you want. You could believe that Satan is your god and that you need to sacrifice the blood of virgins to him if you want. Actions are not always protected. If you were to act on that, you would be subject to capital punishment and the country would be better for it. The problem is that speech lies somewhere in between belief and action. Personally, I feel that it lies closer to a belief and should be thus protected as much as possible, but I can also understand why some people would want to limit speech.