At 10/17/08 01:16 AM, n64kid wrote:
You're missing the point of this thread. Pox changes his reasons behind why he boycotts Kosher foods which is just plain ignorance. Specifically for Poxpower, because the intent is based off false, outdated science and not modern science, it must be retarded.
In the meantime, you made a comparison that was totally off. I said that in your case, there is an ethical issue. Kosher products are win-win, and there is no negative to pox as a consumer. The ends not only justify the means, but he acts like the kashrut process has not updated with the times. There is no reason for him to boycott this.
No, I believe you've missed the point.
Part of the proceeds of kosher food goes to support a religion. Pox doesn't agree with that. He removes his involvement from that by refusing to buy kosher products.
The larger issue is simple. If someone doesn't agree with a business' practices, then you don't buy their products. It's not necessarily an issue of product quality, it's about which businesses you support. If I was against outsourcing, I wouldn't buy Nike shoes, for instance. Not because their product isn't good or because it's too expensive, but simply because I have an issue with how they conduct business.
Pox doesn't like the way companies that market kosher products conduct business (hiring a rabbi to make sure their products meet religious standards, many of which he believes are arbitrary).
I fail to see how this isn't the core of the issue. Seriously, fuck whether or not it drives the price up, fuck the health benefits, fuck the quality. That's not the issue, that's all extraneous. If it happens to drive the cost up, then whatever, that's just another reason. His whole point from beginning to end is that part of the proceeds from HIS purchases go directly to funding a religion he doesn't support.
This isn't complicated.
I'm arguing that pox's reasons for a boycott are null. He's doing it anyways for reasons that change back and forth every post or so. He's against money going to religious causes, then says that it's not scientific and only scientific processes should be awarded with money.
Being against religious causes and being for scientific processes aren't mutually exclusive in the least. You're aware of that, right?
Actually, you need to get a fucking clue. Boycotts involve morals, ethics, costs, quality etc, not a fucking crusade against religion getting fractions of pennies on the dollar which go back to good causes. Why are you fixated thinking that I have some confusion when you can't see that Pox can be very nutty sometimes?
I made a very short post of how you compared a win-win scenario with slave labor and you go off the deep end. What the fuck is wrong with you anyways?
Pox is ethically opposed to funding religion. Therefore, purchasing kosher food isn't a win-win for him, is it?
Also, I believe I made it very clear that kosher food and slave labor was very different. I was very explicit when I said that I was providing a backdrop for how a boycott works. It's a very cut and dry example and I believe it illustrated the point well. You're the one who claimed I was making a comparison between slave labor and kosher food. I simply talked about how I went about a boycott and provided parallels to how it's exactly the same as how Pox is going about it.
I don't like the way Nestle conducts business. I don't buy their products.
Pox doesn't like the way companies who market food as kosher conduct business. He doesn't buy their products.
Please don't twist my words around when I've already made myself pretty explicit. It's obvious you're trying to make my post about something it's quite obviously not about and setting that up as some kind of strawman. Do you really need something to argue about that badly?