13,971 Forum Posts by "gumOnShoe"
I have 30. And its not that great because it doesn't matter. Just a bit more data flowing around the internet.
At 7/18/06 03:37 PM, problemchild1 wrote: couldn't get past second paragraph seriously no one gives a shit about your biography of life in NG.
Well, it doesn't really matter if they do or not. Its here. But I'm glad you felt the need to inform me of your opinion on my opinions.
I seem to have neglected a few other things I did here trying to feel my way around... including preceding bonusstage in his current trend which attempts to grab people's attention. I went for a week or so changing my name everyday. Had 30 alt accounts to hold the names too.... still have them around for whatever reason... Anyway, its amazing how seriously post count and name matter. People care less when your post count is low. I know that for a fact.
At 7/18/06 03:13 PM, Sideral wrote: Teh Interweb is Cool
Yes it is. I've always felt that spelling out things in english was pretty cool as well. :)
At 7/18/06 03:13 PM, GoryBlizzard wrote: What a nice 7,000th post...
Its too broad and redundent for anyone to really care about it. :/
But nice that you can read 7000. In actuallity I have about 7600 posts, but you only see 7000 on this one.
At 7/18/06 03:21 PM, Unimportant wrote: You should write a book about your internet adventures.
It would be quite drab really.
Hell, your post actually made me believe (for a good 3 minutes too) that the internet IS serious business.
It is, regardless of what people think.
At 7/18/06 03:21 PM, Lost_Chances wrote: I read it all and I have to admit, part of me wants to start a new account, start from scratch and go again with new friends, new reputation and new enemies. But the main thing that stops me is, I don't want everything I've built up over two year go down the drain. It's a waste and stupid.
Think about it again. Whats the waste? Starting over or ever starting? It all depends on what you want. Everything is subjective.
At 7/18/06 03:23 PM, Eljimmy wrote: Too long, can't read due to lazy behaviour.
And yet you feel the need to post. :)
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At 7/18/06 03:33 PM, -Platinum- wrote: I came here for the flash as well.
Most would, it is a flash site afterall.
The forum is what makes people hate this site, sadly.
I can't say I hate this site. I just can't say its really that great either. Its a hypocritical ball of love.
In all honesty my parents are concerned that I seem to spend a lot of time on the internet, but in actuallity they don't know how many posts I have.
Don't get quite so shit faced next time and we'll be a bit more proud of you. Eh?
Out of millions of people browsing the internet with millions of things to do, about a year ago I stumbled a bit deeper into this site known as newgrounds. I didn't understand it, nor did I understand much of what the internet was. To me, it was just a bunch of pages put up by a bunch of different people that were all supposed to be interesting in some manner or other. Flash movies either sucked or were good, and I watched them because they made me laugh. I made them because I wanted recognition. Looking back, I feel like I was still right about on for what the internet was, but I have a much more refined view of what Newgrounds is.
At first glance, the most interesting thing was the portal. Hours of hardwork, or minutes of nothing went into entries which were then submitted for judgment to random people who would never meet but still felt the need to express their opinions. I originally saw this as a way for people to get better at flash. I used to review to tell people whether or not I liked their work, it was a system where I could leave my comments. I wasn't very guarded with my responses and I said what I felt, whatever was elicited from me by the movie. I was review banned for what one movie elicited from me. It surprised me at the time, if the movie sucked, why couldn't I say that?
I quickly took my question to the forums where I didn't recieve an answer. A friend had told me about the forums, and I wasn't really sure what they were, but it seemed self explanitory as to how to use them. So I asked, and I didn't get a real answer. I decided to stick around a while longer after my thread was locked. I found the bbs to be extremely stupid and indecipherable at first. It was like peaking your head into a cafeteria at school and trying to hear everything at once. But I was still review banned, so I stuck around.
Lillium made #1 at about that time. I wasn't a fan of the work, so I asked why it was #1, curious as always to find out why things worked the way they worked here. Finally people responded to me. Some explaining, some flaming... full of the usual bbs banter that doesn't really get you anywhere, but I began to realize just how powerful the forums were, and even more how many different viewpoints were present that were completly different than mine.
The very next day lillium was no longer top seat. In fact it was well out of the to 50, I gave myself credit at the time, but in retrospect, it was probably only a matter of time anyway.
I decided to stick around a little longer, I was bored and wanted to understand what drove the site and most importantly why I was banned. I found out about review moderators, and shortly there after, bbs moderators when I was banned from that as well. I read through the rules several times that first time, but was banned again. I e-mailed moderaters to find out why, I also reported abuse that I found. You see, about three weeks in, I decided I wanted to be a moderator here. Now that I've mentioned it, I'm sure it won't happen and for the first time, I don't care either. I think modship drives a lot of the users here to a lot of things. And I don't know how really effective it is, nor do I necessarily agree with the whole philosophy in and of itself. At points its very hypocritical with all the mixed messages sent by people who care too much and those that don't care enough.
Almost every decision and comment I've made since I've been here have been geared towards that position, now that I've finally got that out of the way maybe i'll be more me. I don't know. Chances are I'll be the same.
I originally came here for the flash. I leveled up like everyone else. I reviewed more or less like everyone else. And I always believed I was more intelligent than at least half of you. I still believe it.
Since then I just log hours on the bbs. Telling people how much I either agree with them or how much I disagree with them and then inflating or deflating their ego. But of the people that come here, a lot of them come here to offend, to get a rise out of people. Thats what a lot of people do in real life to. Here its amplified because there are no boundaries that really stop you. No one can hit you or shoot you on the internet, unless they can hack your computer or your account, and what do those matter. They aren't you. And I let those people get to me last fall. They had been insulting jews, most likely as a Joke, but I took it seriously because I'd been taught all my life to take that kind of thing seriously. Never again and all that.
So, when I told people to shove it and give me some respect and they all laughed, I was going to leave. Ozcar convinced me otherwise. I don't know why, but he was kind and I appreciated it. And he made mention about how he had taken a lot of abuse and look at him now, now he was a mod. It gave me a kind of hope he probably didn't mean to inspire in me, and I decided to stick around, to become a mod and prove I was better than everyone else. And so I continued to learn and read up on everything. I contacted people I liked hear and there, but only if it meant helping them or getting some question answered that I wanted to know about.
The one thing I never really did here was make connections with users on the personal level. I never felt the need for it, and saw it as a shallow call for attention. I spent a lot of time in the clubs and crews area, the jew crew having been my special project. The writer's guild kept me entertained and kept me coming when nothing else here was interesting. The chain story that I had started there kept me there for a long time.
At 7/18/06 12:34 PM, EcKo_WR wrote:At 7/18/06 12:29 PM, gumOnShoe wrote:Good day........Sarai wins the debate!!!
As if.
The only way to win an internet argument is to scream the loudest and longest. You don't have to be right. If thats what it takes to win, I'm happy to loose. :)
This is not a debate. Don't fool yourself.
In regards to this topic: http://www.newground..d=524821&page=21
Which most of us have found -_-
I think we should just ignore it from now on. Just my suggestion, do as you will. But its just like our policy here, if we ignore it she will either run out of steam or reveal the true stupidity of her plan.
Of course she and others might take innaction as victory, which is a risk... I leave it up to you guys, but I'm done.
Sarai, I am done talking to you. Not because you told me that you would ignore me, I know for a fact you are going to read this post. You probably won't respond, but it won't matter. I see time after time people pointing out the other side to you. I got quite a few pages into the topic. And you just ignore the simple question that continues to be brought up, probably due to your own ingrained beliefs.
What is Israel to do?
If they stop and listen to the UN, what do you expect them to do?
Will the terrorism stop?
If as you said, the palestinians are also to blaim, what is to be done?
Israel stops today. What then?
If others out there like me are reading this topic, full of its shit and what not, let us honor Sarai's request and stop commenting. Because the bump is all that is keeping this topic alive. Let us stop as Sarai said and see what becomes of this topic when she has no one to oppose her. I bet it just drops of the page, or the contrary will happen and it will just become a massive flame topic against israel. A giant circle jerk.
And here you see a parrallel between what Israel is going through and what this topic is doing.
Good day.
At 7/18/06 08:23 AM, Turandot wrote:At 7/18/06 07:52 AM, gumOnShoe wrote:But military operations aimed at governments and military do not qualify.
They're aimed at the economy and civilians. Dispute the second if you want *shrug* But Israel has already realeased the economy one in a press statement and even Lidov owned up to it.
Owned up to it, lol. Lidov should be proud. Name one war which didn't assault the economy of the other side. If they hadn't, Israel would be amoung the stupidest nations on earth. I seem to recall the USA doing something similar when they went into Afghanistan. If the economy fuels the terrorists, it only makes sence that Israel would cripple it. The Lebanese did nothing to stop Hezbollah.
Yes they do. I'm not prepared to pull out all the links for the post AGAIN. They're coming for a later one.
Eh, whatever. Links smlinks. The internet isn't a very reliable source. Spagheti monsters cr34t3d teh un1v3rs3.111!1one. You'll just be linking to sites that are sympathetic to the one side.
Illigal killings? Ie, fire fight accident while persuing militants.Bullshit. Check your first page of this thread. EG Schoolchildren sitting in their school.
Check the highlighted portion, Israili soldiers were under a mortar attack from the direction of the school. The wounded school children were an accident.
Mass terror? Donde esta? You don't know the meaning of terror. Israel doesn't want to terrorize civilians. They never have claimed to and anything they do always has some sort of defensive strategy in mind.Oh sure, defensive.
What is it then? Israel loves galavanting through the streets cutting out spleans and feeding the blood of their enemies into their mazta? lol.
Hahah! And they won't withdraw from the larger settlements.
There isn't anyone in gaza. The westbank issue hasn't been resolved yet. But obviously any further gestures from Israel were halted when the terrorists continued to attack. Israel at least made a gesture.
What a load of total bullshit. I thought so much better of you, but it seems you are the one totally bias. Just for your own enjoyment:
I've seen a majority of those links. And it is upsetting that some people will be cut off from others. (What drove the wall to be put into place?) You love to compare other countries to this though, so let us look at china and its multiple conquests to the west, its people that aren't quite chinese but are within the wall anyway. What would you have the Israeli's do instead of building a wall. What is the alternative?
How many checkpoints were there in Jewish Ghetto's? None, you only went in.Oh, so the lesser of two evils is not an evil to you?
I never said it was right. But since when was war ever right? The lesser of two evils though, you still have not said what you think of suicide/homicide bombers. You still have not said one thing of what you think of the hamas or hezbollah's actions. Are those actions excused? I only defend the one side because it is the only one you are attacking.
The closure to Egypt isn't permanent, and it is a tactic to get back their man.Most crossings have been closed on an almost full basis since 2004. Amenesty International.
But not all.
The intention is different though Sarai. Nazis did it to kill entire peoples, Israel does what it does to get its people back.Israel has a motive other than two soldiers. Also rockets will never stop. You obviously didn't read half this thread because another poster brought forward the point that if you take the rockets out of the south and put the army there, they'll get attacked from the middle, just a cycle of pushing further and further.
So Israel should just sit there and take a beating? What do you really want Sarai?
Only diplomacy and a cessation of bombing civilian structures and causing hell for Palestinians will bring about any semi-ceasefire. And even then we know that Israel will still sometimes shoot people and that militants will still sometimes murder people. You'll never get full peace, but you make it so much worse.
I make it so much worse. Why do you use you? I don't control the guns Sarai. And yet Israel is the only people to blaim for this Sarai? Israel is the only one that should take responsibility for its actions, or better yet, sit back and turn the other cheek untill it has no skin left on its face?
As for this whole situation Sarai. Quit being a blind follower of media.Oh, I'm a blind follower of the media. Amnesty International must be as well, as are most other civil rights groups around the world. I think you'll even find a link on the first page to an Israeli human rights group saying Israel is causing direct suffering to Palestinians.
Read my first post. Civil rights activists always complain about every war. Its nothing new.
There are two sides to this story sarai. Quit being ignorant.I think you're ignorant. I know both sides, I've made a decision. You've not even considered the other side, but blindly dismiss it!
I've considered it several times and I'm somewhere in the middle of it all. I take each and every action and balance it against each and every other piece of evidence I've seen. Rather than regard Israel as perfect I see plenty of its falts, but I also see them in the palestinian people who do nothing to help their situation. The falt is on both sides, and yet you place it on one, making the same mistake as the french after WWI.
At 7/18/06 04:54 AM, Turandot wrote: However you don't see me going on a massive anti-Japanese rant at the moment or ever, because although sometimes they scare me and I think they're a bit strange, they're not dropping bombs around the world killing hundreds of innocents.
And you aren't stepping on to buses with a bomb in your book bag or kidnapping thier soldiers. :o
There are no death camps in Israel or human testing... What israel is doing is pretty far from anything that Nazi Germany committed. The one parrallel that I can see are the refugee camps vs ghettos. And even then, they are in that situation for extremely different reasons and Israel is not keeping them there because they are Muslim. As soon as you see railroad cars or plains driving palestinians off to gas chambers or firing squads lining muslims up in the street and shooting them down you can cry mass murder. But military operations aimed at governments and military do not qualify.
Also Germany killed 12 million in death camps 20 million russians, and then you forget the french, the belgian, the english... etc. Japan, however was just as much at fault for what it did. But you still don't see Israel targetting civilians. They don't target civilians.
I claim that the actions of the Israeli state are Nazi like and involve collective punishment, illegal killings, mass terror, forced migration of people, immigration of non-native settelers to take over land and the building of structures designed to put people in a ghetto.
Illigal killings? Ie, fire fight accident while persuing militants.
Mass terror? Donde esta? You don't know the meaning of terror. Israel doesn't want to terrorize civilians. They never have claimed to and anything they do always has some sort of defensive strategy in mind.
Immegration of settlers? It happened, Israel recently started to pull them out. When was the last time a new settlement was established? You are full of shit Sarai.
The Wall is along the Israeli border. China built a wall once, one of the largest in the world. America builds walls between itself and Mexico. France did it between itself and germany. Building walls is nothing new. If the palestinians want a country, you'd also expect they'd have some way of supporting themselves. The wall doesn't isolate cities from each other, just from israel. If the arabs love their people so much, why aren't there job opportunities for palestinians across the Jordon or down in Egypt. And there are palestininians that live Israel still to this day. They have not been "relocated"
You talk on about Jewish Ghetto's in WW2. How many crossing points are there from Gaza to Egypt? One. Israel has had it shut for two weeks now, people have died, people are stranded. Israel has walled of the Palestinians in a ghetto where poverty, disease and so on is rife.
How many checkpoints were there in Jewish Ghetto's? None, you only went in.
The closure to Egypt isn't permanent, and it is a tactic to get back their man. Once again Sarai, when did Palestinians recieve the right to capture soldiers?
And after all this you don't even condemn these actions. It is to all appearance a war-crime, against morality and to me Nazi like.
The intention is different though Sarai. Nazis did it to kill entire peoples, Israel does what it does to get its people back. As soon as they have their soldier and the threat of missiles to their land is gone they will pull out, as they always have. And in another year, they will once again have bombs on their buses.
Oh and I love the way you put more value on Jewish Civilians than Chinese Civilians. The simple death toll should be enough evidence as to what was more brutal.
What japan did is unforgivable, just as what germany did. But neither of those governments exist, nor are they in anyway tied to Israel at the moment.
Godwins Law.
=( [wiki that sarai]
As for this whole situation Sarai. Quit being a blind follower of media. And what would you actually like Israel to do the next time a bomb goes off in a bus or outside a school. Answer me that and then we have something to talk about.
War Crimes only occur when a country intentionally targets civilians. War has "accepted losses" which can't be avoided. It doesn't mean they aren't tragic, it doesn't mean that they are deserved, and it certainly doesn't mean that countries who make war to protect themselves want to harm anyone other than their enemy. When civilians started picking up guns they became militants. Militants/terrorists either way, it depends on which side of the border you are on, are targets. If a wolf was hiding amoung your flock of sheep, would you take a shot at it if it meant killing one sheep? The wolf would have killed more, what if the wolf saught refuge in your neighbor's flock of sheep and your neighbor would do nothing to stop the wolf from crossing on to your property and would do nothing to stop the wolf?
There are two sides to this story sarai. Quit being ignorant.
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Or the one region on earth so manipulated by everyother region on earth that it doesn't know what to do and has no self identity and any attempt to make it gets stomped back in the dirt by everyone else. As for your depression. Go fix it or don't complain.
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And lets not forget the fact that its actually a nation. As for why America sympathizes with Israel, its politics. Israel is about the only friendly nation in the region. It needs help and so do we.
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I think thats a load of bull crap and that you are just as influenced by "media" as anyone else. In your case, the extreme sympathizers for a so-called palestine. Israel doesn't want a blood bath. After years of war, the last thing it wants is a blood bath. Hence why it goes door to door instead of blowing up entire blocks, risking its own soldiers to make sure it doesn't kill civilians. But in war people do die on both sides. Israel doesn't want anyone to die, but tactics on both sides lead to tragedies that can not be blaimed on one. Militant leaders hiding in civilian homes to use them as shields and decoys isn't exactly honorable or civilian friendly. Nor is blowing up school buses and night clubs which teens frequent. Also, I don't recall engineering bombs to explode down and out to cause maximum damage to the maximum number of people civilian friendly either. They don't aim to kill so much anymore, it keeps death toles down for media. But it puts more and more people in wheel chairs, who thankfully live and don't die, but who have their lives ruined none the less.
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Then the US goverment is guilty of the same thing when they went into afghanistan.
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Link 1
The strike against the foreign ministry occurred at 0130 local time (2230 GMT Wednesday), when the building was likely to have been empty. looks like they are certainly trying to kill inoccent people
Link 2
A closed checkpoint into an area where people are holding a soldier captive. Its been made clear that if they give back the soldier and stop launching attacks it will all end. Where is the soldier? I feel sorry for the people. Not all of them deserve it. But I've yet to see the UN try air dropping food, something many countries are famous for doing. :/
As for it being israeli human rights activists, its not new for any country to have dissenting people who disagree with the government. We just had a presidential candidate who through away his medals because he didn't believe in the government, it doesn't mean they are right.
Link 3
Since when was tryng to get a soldier back a terrorist attack? From what I see in these reports Israel is claiming to be defending itself in all cases or trying to get militant leaders in which civilians get hurt sometimes.
Link 4
So now its a bad thing to go get a soldier. Israel doesn't have any reason to be attacking except to get its soldiers back. They have always had a strong policy of "no man left behind." It could only be expected. What was Israel doing before this? They were pulling out of Gaza. They forced Israeli settlers to leave whether they wanted to or not. What did palestinians do? They elected Hamas, a known terrorist group to run their government.
Link 5
Another one sided, bias link that sees kidnapping a soldier as just something that should only be expected and any violence to get him returned as being a bad thing. The UN is a bullshit union that doesn't do anything but critisize and debate.
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lol, fuck the bbc. They are just another news agency from outside the country that interprets what they see to sell to people and create the news. You believe them as blindly as americans believe their news. Instead of looking at both sides next to each other, you take their word blindly. What exactly do you make of what the palestinians do?
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None of which are aimed at civilians. They do discriminate in their targets, at least they don't regularly plant bombs on the busses of civilians.
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And every time Israel does nothing another Israeli kid dies. The only thing I agree with you on is that its a vicious cycle. But its perpetrated on both sides, which you neglect to see from your safe computer chair over in britain.
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What would you suggest? Let Hezbollah continue its raids? Lebanon did nothing to stop them, just like afganistan did nothing to stop al qaida and then 9/11 happened. It is their mutual fault for letting it occur and there was only one way to do anything.
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So when did Israel become the only party that was doing anything wrong? And what motivation do they have to just kill? All you say is that they are blood thirsty, what you don't explain is why you thing they are motivated to do that. You are a moron Sarai, an ignorant brain washed moron just like every other insiginficant human on this planet that gets all their information from the net and from tv.
wtd
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It will when its done. It always has.
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Fuck that, it hasn't worked in the past and won't work now. Especially if Israel is going to be seen as the agressor as in your eyes. You don't live there, stop meddling.
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Won't happen, Internet petitions don't accomplish anything but putting tv shows back on the air.
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And what if I were to write the opposite?
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And watch it do nothing.
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Missiles landed today in Haifa. Israeli's are hardly safe. As for a massive terrorist campain, it has a name. Its called the Infantada, or "shake off" and it was designed to pain Israel untill it withdrew from the so called "occupied terrotories." As for a sudden breaking of the cease fire, I don't recall any military operation of large scale before soldiers were captured. And as I stated, Israel has always followed a "no man left behind policy" and "no nogotiating with terrorists." I really don't know what you expected.
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And israelis never know if the bus they step onto on the way to work will be their last. Or if their son will be captured while on a routine patrol.
final
All of your sources are not completly full of bias, more that you are completly interpretting them to your viewpoint and ignoring things like this, brushing them off as excuses:
"The Israelis said they returned fire after coming under mortar attack. "
"The shooting began when Palestinian militants who oppose the Israeli occupation of Gaza launched a series of missiles at a nearby Jewish settlement. "
~gOS
Micron computers are fine computers. My company has quite a few of the old ones. They still work and they were built pretty robustly. Havn't really seen any of the new stuff, but dell and gateway aren't golden companies either.
Doesn't really matter. Just another company selling stuff they don't personally make.
At 7/13/06 04:29 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: I completly disagree with you. It seems to work fine for me: http://www.google.co..newgrounds.com%2Fbbs
Perhaps you just need to learn how to use the tools.
lol, even more of a narrow down had I needed it
And by tools, I mean basic search syntax for google. Use quotes to find specific phrases. You can search specific sites, eliminate certain words. Google is fine, you just have to be smart when you use it. Which would explain why most people here can't seem to figure it out.
I completly disagree with you. It seems to work fine for me: http://www.google.co..newgrounds.com%2Fbbs
Perhaps you just need to learn how to use the tools.
At 7/13/06 11:25 AM, Lost_Chances wrote: I am rebumping this to ask, how the fuck do I password protect a folder. Not hide it or any shit like that, password protect.
You can't. If its that important, password protect the files or put them in a protected account.
At 7/13/06 08:44 AM, GwenTheDoodle wrote: ha, im on the ng paltalk right now xD
Thats funny because you aren't aloud to be on NG paltalk, its an adult room and you are 15.
At 7/12/06 03:46 PM, Andersson wrote:At 7/12/06 01:45 PM, BananaBreadMuffin wrote: It's still their birthday for another 6 hours or so. :\True. I'm tired, be easy on me.
I'm late in thanking you though.
It looks to me like you just aren't interesting or have anything to say so you bullshitted a topic to get the spot light on you.
Its too bad it wasn't funny. Funny attention whores are the only good kind. (if there is a good kind)
There is a suggestions thread in the where is how/to forum.
And everything you mentioned practically exists, only we call it paltalk or NGchat. Both of wish I sincerely hope you don't have the mental capacity to find.
At 7/13/06 07:40 AM, darkpengin wrote: hold up there you!!!
I'm holding!
its possible you dont live in the states if so i respect that.
I live in pennsylvania, pretty sure that is still in the US of A
if thats the case you must understand that ever since 9/11 most amercans harbor a certain amout of hate towards muslims
No they don't. You are an idiot. Most americans understand the difference between a terrorist and a muslim. But there are plenty of ignorant dumbasses like you out there.
so yes they have hurt us. and not just us what about the london bombings?
OMG, what about India? How could you forget India? Just shows how narrow minded you are. Every religion has fanaticals. If I had to guess, you are christian and you believe the crusades were a holy war that was justified.
Why don't we also piss off the entire Muslim community who also don't like having his picture shown even though they have done nothing to us. That sounds like a great plan. >8(
Thanks guys, I'd take the time to respond to each and every one you game me, but birthday festivities are keeping me busy.
In other words, my bosses decided today that I have to learn pearl (purl?), a computer language. And dinner later tonight.
I hope you all have a good day too.
Everyone but me gets a birthday thread. Even the guy no one here has had a conversation with.
Sleep on the couch for a night. He's let you use his bed for this amount of time, let him have it for one night. Compromise.
At 7/12/06 12:24 PM, superlunk wrote: If they don't settle for that they are screwed. End of story.
And now they are screwed. They were given the option to return the soldiers. They said no. Now they are screwed.
So? The fact of the matter is that the Zionist people came, kicked out the Palestinians and established Israel.
No its not. And this argument is something I have tens of other times. Find the Ask All Israeli Questions here topic in the politics section. I'm not doing this all over again.
Taking out the leaders doesn't stop the terrorist grunts from attacking.
It does disrupt orgization though.
Lol, Israel knows it's not going to get it's soldiers back. They aren't stupid.
They will still try though. They have to because its part of their policy.
And for those who don't know this, the two soldiers who were kidnapped are druz, they aren't even Jewish. So you can't say this is a religous squable.
At 7/12/06 12:08 PM, superlunk wrote: Hezbollah would have nothing to trade for more prisoners. So what if they wanted more? They have to settle for what they can get.
You don't get it. They wouldn't just settle. Terrorists don't settle.
That is Israel's fault for kicking out the Palestinians in the first place.
Its more complicated than Israel kicking out Palestinians. There are a hundred thousand different reasons on both sides as to why Palestinians don't have a land.
That is probably going to be the outcome, and Israel will invade deeper to try and destroy Hezbollah and possibly occupy Lebanon.
They won't occupy Lebanon. The learned a while ago, but they will most likely follow the strategy of trying to target and take out leaders.
True. But it is possible that Syria would help Lebanon.
More like Syria would be in just as bad a situation as Lebanon if it did anything.
At 7/12/06 12:05 PM, FeargusMcDuff wrote: Okay, .. snip ...countrys.
My point Is, Israel Isn't looking for their soldiers, they are looking for a pretext to war. This Is a war, It has already started.
It is a war, it is already started, and its not Israel's fault that their soldiers were kidnapped. Israel wasn't looking to go to war, and it isn't just war mongering. It is only doing this for the soldiers.
I hope you see can see my points. Thankyou, and goodnight.
I see a substandard argument that went way off track and didn't have any focus. Your actuall point on the subject wasn't worth squat.
At 7/12/06 12:01 PM, superlunk wrote:At 7/12/06 11:55 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Israel's stance is zero negotiation with terrorists. It won't change. As long as they are a terrorist orginazation they won't get anything but bullets from Israel. The US has the same policy.Well, that's a dumb policy.
War could have been avoided.
And what if Israel released a few prisoners and then Hezbollah wanted more out? Negotiating with terrorists doesn't work because they aren't trying to exist, they are trying to get rid of Israel. Hezbollah's ultimate goal is a war in which Israel gets destroyed.
If Hezbollah doesn't get their people back, most likely those two soldiers will be killed.
Given history, they were most likely going to die from the outset. I know it sounds bad, but that is the way it is. Sometimes they are set free, but I've yet to hear of a terrorist orginization that just let hostages go.
However, if the two soldiers are not rescued or given back, the conflict will escalate further, and I imagine that other nations will get involved.
No, countries generally let Israel settle its own problems. They generally do a good job of it to.
