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To summarize, Proteas, I am calling you out on your bullshit debate tactics, your constant generalizations, and your complete inability to ever concede to the better argument.

I'm obviously lacking in self-control, but the bounds of your audacity astound me.

At 12/29/09 07:42 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 12/29/09 06:47 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: It is his popularity that is being decided, nothing else.

His popularity is circling the drain right now. It won't matter how effective or competent you think he is right now despite what little he has done, if things keep going the way they are now, the republicans are going to get back the senate in 2010 and put the kaibosh on any future plans.

I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. I've already made it clear that I'm not a supporter of his, that he has done little, and that he is unpopular.

We are doing the same things, good sir.

I've not said a word about yours or anyone else's personal political beliefs in this topic, and I have not used them as a pathetic strawman against you or them due to a lack of an actual argument.

'I'm using that quote to remind you and everyone else here of how you and others like you used it to defend your own right to speak as you please and not be accused of being anti-patriotic as you were under the Bush administration. Because it stands now, history is repeating itself. If you're against the current administration in any way, you're no longer anti-patriotic, you're an ignorant-racist-republican.'

You said that, as I recall. No, we both make assumptions about each other's character, I just make mine more assuredly because you are so incredibly vague. You throw attacks at the entire group of people you
THINK the person you're arguing with belongs to. I, being a reasonable man with little spite, am compelled to defend these ridiculous accusations of yours. Your arguments are founded nothing more than attack, playing yourself as some sort of superior, and throwing out accusations of fallacies at every opportunity you can find to cover up for the fact that you are incapable of debate. I remember arguing religion with you and you posted no less than 6 times with the SAME FALLACY, that I had already explained was completely misplaced in the argument, but you came back to it like some sort of abandoned dog to its master.

I respond to every point of yours, always, but you respond only to the ones you choose to. You are conceding on the other points, but you are not even man enough to admit so. I make mistakes, and assume, and attack, and, while I do so less than you, I can at least fess up to it. It's almost as if you are capable of debate but you are so enormously arrogant and so convinced that even a slight concession of your part will collapse your argument that you believe the only way to debate is to act as if you'd been winning the entire time.

But there's no real point in typing this, you're just going to quote one sentence of it that you might be able to throw a misplaced statistic or fallacy at and ignore the rest.

His competence is being decided by the public at large. And guess what? They're losing faith in him quicker than they did Bush, they no longer value him as a leader, and if it keeps up he'll be lucky to get a second term.

It is his popularity that is being decided, nothing else.

We aren't in Iran as of yet.

Keyword; yet. He did just send 40,000 troops to Afghanistan, remember? He has no intention of leaving the middle east alone during the rest of his term, we're staying.

I've always actually supported the Afghanistinian war. But indeed, 'yet'.

That isn't remotely true. Straw Man or some shit, I don't need to list textbook examples of fallacies and throw them around like they're my only chance at a coherent argument.

If people on here were capable of making coherent arguments, I wouldn't have to show the flaws in their logic, now would I? Besides, you signed up in '08, you weren't around to see those arguments or the use of that quote (along with one by Ben Franklin about giving up essential liberties for security) used ad nauseum, so it was wrong of me to expect you to get what I was aiming at.

I'm not sure if you're insulting me or apologizing to me for using a reference I would not understand, so I'll leave it at that.

You can correct me on those assumptions, yes, but don't try to make it out as though you're some kind or superior debater who's put on us normal peoples' level only because of our flawed debating techniques. We're both debating with reasonable form, so don't go around throwing shit.

I'm just debating the issues and the details before me, not the people in front of me as you are.

We are doing the same things, good sir.

Apologies, I am only responding to this post because you posted it a marginal amount of time before I posted me most recent one.

As of now, I'm done arguing.

It just occurred to me that our argument has absolutely no substance to it whatsoever.

On that note, I think I am done with it. I've made my point, and you yours.

At 12/29/09 12:39 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: The thought did cross my mind. The thought also crossed my mind that it takes a certain instability to regard government policies one disapproves of with threats of violence.

As apposed to the instability of users on here after Bush was re-elected in '04, where they moped around for a week talking about how this country was going to hell and they were getting out of here and going to Europe and Canada the first chance they got?

And who didn't make any death threats, as I recall. Or at least, not many. It's irrelevant, I highly dislike people who say this country is no longer 'their' country every time a president they dislike gets elected, and threaten to leave.

I'm not talking about what the people do or do not want. People are stupid.

*snort*

You were trying to argue competence with public opinion. You know that isn't going to cut it.

I am looking at these policies, and can you honestly tell me that as of now, Obama has done as much harm to the world as Bush? Really?

I don't think he's done any worse than Bush, I just don't think he's done any better is the thing. His party has complete majority control of the government right now, and yet they dragged their feet for months to get the national healthcare bill passed... why? Because they wanted the republicans support on it? Really? That's pathetic.

LIKE I SAID. I prefer inaction to detrimental actions. We aren't in Iran as of yet.

I now think that people are using quotes like these as an excuse to justify there paranoia and violent threats against policies they don't fully understand, and I think that the only reason you think Bush was better than Obama was because of your political standing, and your desire to appear as a flawless and impregnable wall of conservatism in front of me.

I'm using that quote to remind you and everyone else here of how you and others like you used it to defend your own right to speak as you please and not be accused of being anti-patriotic as you were under the Bush administration. Because it stands now, history is repeating itself. If you're against the current administration in any way, you're no longer anti-patriotic, you're an ignorant-racist-republican.

That isn't remotely true. Straw Man or some shit, I don't need to list textbook examples of fallacies and throw them around like they're my only chance at a coherent argument. Obama is a patriot. I am a patriot. You, I assume, are a patriot. Do many people dislike Obama solely because of race? Yes, I think so. Do many people dislike him for his policies? Yes, I am among them. Party does not determine preference, but it does outline it.

you're probably Libertarian.

Never really looked into it.

I tried being one once, but then I decided I didn't like it.

All I know is that you prefer Bush to Obama.

Package Deal Fallacy. Just because I don't like Obama doesn't mean I prefer Bush.

If you're given two choices and you say one isn't better than another, the odds are much greater that you prefer one to another than the odds are of you liking them equally. Can't blame me for going a bit out of reason.

I don't have to nail down your individual beliefs, I've got plenty just from that one statement.

You don't have jack shit on me or my beliefs, because you're doing the same thing to me that everyone else has been doing with this topic; taking one simple statement, and making erroneous conclusions based on evidence that's not there.

Of course I and many people know of your beliefs. You trumpet them here, just like everybody else. I made a point here, you made statements, some stupid, some partisan, and some legitimate, I continued the argument by responding. It is perfectly normal for some of my parts to fall off, everyone's do. You may notice that you pick and choose what part of my statements to respond to, almost certainly because you have no counterargument to them. I don't do that, I respond to everything, even point that, in order for me to respond to, I have to make assumptions. You can correct me on those assumptions, yes, but don't try to make it out as though you're some kind or superior debater who's put on us normal peoples' level only because of our flawed debating techniques. We're both debating with reasonable form, so don't go around throwing shit.

At 12/29/09 01:38 PM, Zecampeao wrote: Yea, well...
What do I have to do to get ripped quickly?
I do 200 pushups everyday but I was thinking you could know another kind of work out that gets you ripped, I don't need it to be easy, just a bit fast in results...
Is there even anything like that?

contributing omg

Well, I assume by 'ripped' you are referring to a person with low bodyfat, but if you want a routine I'm going to need a picture of a person who's physique you would like. That will help me decide. Simply post a body.

At 12/29/09 01:16 PM, Life-Stream wrote: I'm planning on starting to go the gym again in January. I went for a while this year, but ended up leaving it. But in the short time I was there, i did notice myself more lean and stronger. Since i've left it i've actually noticed myself getting weaker slowly, lol.

Last night i struggled to do 45 push ups, when before i could do 60+ pretty easy. I personally think I have to go to the gym to motivate myself, because if i pay for a month at the gym, I will go, to get my moneys worth, but if i just exercise at home, i'll get tired of it after a few days and end up leaving it.

Alot of people said I could get a good figure body if i go to the gym often. So i plan on signing up again in a week or two, and taking some protein shakes, as the guy at the gym said that could help. I'll have to get him to explain which will be the best kind, as i have no clue about stuff like that.

If you are really dedicated to going to the gym, and actually are willing to put in time and effort, I'd like to have your AIM address, as there is much to talk of. I'll help you nail down a routine, a diet, so on and so forth.

At 12/29/09 12:47 PM, halen1 wrote: lol
1. you have a gut, shut your mouth

I'm also pretty strong. Bigger now than in that picture.

2. learn to have fun, because it shows that you do not know how to at all.

I have fun every day in the gym, challenging myself, and setting new personal bests.

3. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Yes.

Alright ladies and gentlemen, I take it upon myself to ensure that some of you are regularly updated on the latest premises on fitness.

It's been a couple months and I'm twenty pounds heavier and a hell of a lot more knowledgeable.

Any questions?

At 12/29/09 12:20 AM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: I said that my statement would apply only if the statistic was true, for one.

Which it isn't, the statistic was sourced from someone writing a book on the subject who stood to make money from such things being published in the national press. The head of the Secret Service came out in strong opposition to the claim saying that it was patently false. So, who are you going to believe?

I never thought it was true. My entire argument has been hypothetical.

Historically, conservatives tend to respond more violently to governments they disapprove of.

Historically speaking, Obama is getting no more death threats than Bush or any other president.

I KNOW.

Only a partisan idiot would not notice a greater degree of violent overcompensations from the Right. All I hear is how the government is 'Gonna be sorry' if anybody every tries to take some Joe's guns. Seriously.

That could simply mean he won't get voted in for a second term. Did that thought ever cross your mind?

The thought did cross my mind. The thought also crossed my mind that it takes a certain instability to regard government policies one disapproves of with threats of violence.

Because the lack of positive is better than the presence of negative.

There is presence of negative, as clearly stated on that chart. More people actively disaprove of him that actively approve.

I'm not talking about what the people do or do not want. People are stupid. I am looking at these policies, and can you honestly tell me that as of now, Obama has done as much harm to the world as Bush? Really? Like I said, people need to learn to concede on some points. I'm not trying to argue how Obama has done good, after all. I can try, and we could go on for a while, but I know it's futile.

Again, you might as well be trolling if you even begin to think that, as of the moment, Obama hasn't been a better president than Bush.

That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. If you think I'm trolling, then let me remind you of somehting that was said often during the Bush years.

"Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism." - Thomas Jefferson.

Well, it's a pretty quote, but I disagree with it, and I think it's misrepresented. I now think that people are using quotes like these as an excuse to justify there paranoia and violent threats against policies they don't fully understand, and I think that the only reason you think Bush was better than Obama was because of your political standing, and your desire to appear as a flawless and impregnable wall of conservatism in front of me. Furthermore, I think if you are pressed, your only justification for this belief of your will be public polls.

I know it hurts to hear negative statements about your own party, but you need to learn to accept shortcomings.

At what point in this topic did I say what my party even was?

The entire topic. You're not a Democrat, OBVIOUSLY. And since everybody just wants to be a rebel and show how independent they are, you're probably Libertarian. All I know is that you prefer Bush to Obama. I don't have to nail down your individual beliefs, I've got plenty just from that one statement.

I know how arguments with you go, I've done it before. You are absolutely incapable of conceding a point, and I hate having to repeat myself. We're arguing on the grounds on a hypothetical argument with statistics that cannot be proven, but are only HIGHLY LIKELY. This shit is going to go on forever.

I'd also like to add that it takes a degree of retarded partisanship to even insinuate that the majority of the threats against Obama are NOT made by conservatives. Of course I don't have statistics on it, but that doesn't make it any less obvious. I'm sure some are made by those on the Left, just as I am sure most of the threats against Bush were from the Left.

That is, of course, if the statistic is accurate.

At 12/28/09 09:19 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 12/28/09 07:03 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: No, it is indicative only of the fact that the Right is much less stable than the left.

Again, where the fuck is the supporting evidence of this claim?

There is none. You're taking one badly misrepresented and patently false statistic and assuming details about it that are not there, all in the name of partisan politics.

I said that my statement would apply only if the statistic was true, for one. Secondly, 4x the death threats does indicate instability. Would you send those letters? I mean, there are a lot of radical racists in this country, I know, but not so much to account for such an enormous gap in the statistics. Historically, conservatives tend to respond more violently to governments they disapprove of. That being, to adhere to a stereotype, many people, conservatives, will react to an overly oppressive government, but liberals wouldn't react as much to a government with too little oversight.

Only a partisan idiot would not notice a greater degree of violent overcompensations from the Right. All I hear is how the government is 'Gonna be sorry' if anybody every tries to take some Joe's guns. Seriously.

There is no reason, EVER, to send a death threat to a President, and it is still an entirely valid argument that he is far better than Bush was, so far, at least.

Better than Bush in what way? It's almost the end of his first year in office and already his approval ratings are at an all time low comparable only to Bush a few months into 2005, and the only thing he's managed to accomplish is his healthcare plan which -- surprise! -- isn't being well received either.

Because the lack of positive is better than the presence of negative. War, FEMA, and economic collapse were the highlights of Bush's years. As of this moment, Obama is renowned for inaction and 'Socialism'.

Again, you might as well be trolling if you even begin to think that, as of the moment, Obama hasn't been a better president than Bush.

I know it hurts to hear negative statements about your own party, but you need to learn to accept shortcomings. This applies to both you and some liberals on this board. You both have your own goddamn problems. Don't deny them, don't overcompensate, don't argue. Too many people believe that something can only be rationalized if every aspect of it is completely flawless. I believe we've argued tis before.

It's been a damn long while since I visited this site.

Well, first off, this statistic, whether true or not, is not indicative of the public's opinion. If it was, Obama's approval rating would be substantially lower than it currently is. No, it is indicative only of the fact that the Right is much less stable than the left. There is no reason, EVER, to send a death threat to a President, and it is still an entirely valid argument that he is far better than Bush was, so far, at least. Racism obviously plays a large part in this, and despite what many conservatives like to think, racism is still highly prominent in America, a great deal of Obama's opposition is/was racially fueled, and no, opposing Obama does not make a person a racist at all. I'm not too much a a fan of him myself. However, the only two reasons to send a death threat are prejudice and mental instability, the first option not being so widely available against Bush.

That is, of course, if the statistic is true.

On another note, I do not know if Obama will be reelected. I don't think he will, but then, my parents were quite sure that Bush was to be a one-term president. He still has time to make in impact, though the chance of such an event occurring is dwindling rapidly.

At 10/23/09 01:11 AM, Bully129 wrote: Isn't it fun to watch when people get hold of a thesaurus and make attempts to stroke their own ego?

Or it's possible that some people out there actually study subjects and know them from memory?

Honestly, the only reason you people disbelieve me is because this is about fitness. On the internet. Seriously people, I know it's hard to accept that some of us are healthy, but get over it.

At 10/22/09 08:06 PM, Twilight wrote: What's wrong with me?

My BMI is 19.9. Eh, it could be better, but all in all I'm pretty healthy, right?

So I'm 5'6, 123 pounds, and I can't run. I don't have asthma. I don't have breathing problems. I don't have any diseases. But for some strange reason I only run for 5-7 seconds before giving up and catching my breath.

You have a weak cardiovascular system. Try eating more food, especially carbs, and run for 30 minutes four times a week. That may seem hard, but pain is abject. Run until you no longer can. You just seem to have a discipline problem if anything.

Also, lifting weights never hurts.

nice. Modest.

NO thanks. Regarding newgrounds as a 13 year old packed hellhole is arrogant and incorrect! Newgrounds is quite literaly, EVERYTHING by EVERYONE.

sure there is a lot of shit flash with cock jokes, but aren't there shit people who make cock jokes in real life?

Who are you to walk into newgrounds and act as a messiah? The savior of all newgrounders! HEIL GRAMMAR NAZI OPHAI OPHAI

i meant ffs. You have gramma nazi in your name.. how mature could you possibly be. Personaly, the fact that almost all the help you've given is based on physical assets and properties, I dont even think we need you here.

If it matters, it deals with self empowerment, not doing pushups or being the perfect size. Screw that.

You're right. I could never possibly be a reputable source of information, i'm on the internet.

If you'd look at the thread, you'll seeing that I am being helpful, informative, and have even posted my picture. Furthermore, Grammar Nazi is a term referring to those who love the English language and hate to see it ruined and warped.

At 10/22/09 09:38 AM, mrty wrote:

At 10/21/09 06:32 PM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: Mrty-EAT.

Believe it or not, I try that. I'm not even that healthy when it comes to eating, I don't eat much vegetables or fish, I usually prefer pastry and meat, I eat quite a lot of junk food too, so I really don't understand why I can't gain weight.

Junk food isn't as good for gaining weight as people think. Try this. Eat a large- LARGE- amount of cheese and meat daily, spread out in multiple meals. Drinks tons of milk, and again, exercise is great for gaining weight. If you do choose to exercise, try to get around 5,000 calories a day.

Brew- Not quite. I want to look like a Greek God.

Omega- Run for 20 minutes a day three times a week at a medium pace, and go on a high protein diet.

Mrty-EAT.

At 10/21/09 01:19 AM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: Furry- Seems like another case of poor self esteem. Would you say there are any overwhelmingly positive traits about you that you could emphasize? I once held a conversation about philosophy with around 7 people, 7 people too stupid to understand what I was saying, just because I was well versed enough in the subject to sound interesting.

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Furry- Seems like another case of poor self esteem. Would you say there are any overwhelmingly poI once held a conversation about philosophy with around 7 people, 7 people too stupid to understand what I was saying, just because I was well versed enough in the subject to sound interesting.

BlassD- I recommend weighted crunches. Get heavy books, anywhere from 10 pounds to 50 pounds worth, depending on your strength, place them on your chest, and do 8 solid crunches. If you can do more than 10, raise the weight. Do this set 4 times with 2 minute rest breaks between, 2 times a week. It did wonders for me, I'm at 17% body fat and you can clearly see my upper abs in my picture.

Douche- I'm quite intelligent, and your accusation to the contrary understates your own- I never said I expected people here to be very receptive to my advice. I only said that any one person changed makes this worth it.

Dinosaur- I don't think a forum where threads disappear in a matter of days and the general populace is retarded would be a better place to set up shop.

Is it bad that I don't work out and my physique is better than yours? I work out in gym class, like once every week. But my muscles are a tad bigger than yours, not to prod at your physique just saying is there some explanation for it?

I'm bigger than I look in pictures, and it's possible you just have less fat than me. It's also entirely possible that you have much better genetics than I do, in which case you should make good use of them.

Honestly, anyone who happens to stumble upon this thread will most likely think or do the following things,

1. Make an inappropriate remark insulting you and your intelligence

I'm hoping the mods are with me on this one, they deleted a bunch of posts yesterday.

2. Leaving after realizing this isn't about dicks

I hope those people leave, at least.

3. Or asking for your advice, but never actually acting on it

Probably, but if at least one person improves their lifestyle this thread will be worth it.

I am sorry to break it to you, but if you want to legitimately help people, the newgrounds forum just isn't the place to do so. Because when stumbling upon a golden opportunity like this, people will only "plan" to do what you tell them to do, and will never actually do it. People need to help themselves...

I'm trying to enact this help plan in other, more effective ways, but I figured I might as well try it on a large forum as well. It can't hurt, at least.

Also I suggest when trying to distribute knowledge like this don't do it online, this is information that should go along with credentials.

Well, if people want to fact-check my advice with the internet, they can do so. I'm doing all I can.

At 10/20/09 09:08 PM, Yukin wrote: Like I said on your last post in which you didn't reply, I said that I've got only these crappy 10 pound dumbells, even if I do a large amount of reps with these weight will it get me anywhere?

Ah, I'm afraid I don't check that anymore. I apologize.

Large amounts of reps with low weight do very little for the body and serve almost no purpose other then to atrophy muscles. If you really want to gain muscle, I recommend getting bigger dumbbells, or to modify your workouts to do different, harder exercises with the same muscle groups.

For instance, for shoulders, don't do military presses, do lateral and front raises.

For biceps, do concentration curls instead of standard curls.

For triceps, try tricep curls.

For your chest, don't do dumbbell bench press, do dumbbell flies.

Google these exercises if you aren't familiar with them.

At 10/20/09 10:30 AM, TacticalShoe wrote: So, is this like assisted self-help?

I sort of figured that me improving myself would not be a team effort.

Well, I contain a vast amount of knowledge regarding nutrition and exercise, so any questions involving health can and should e directed at me.

At 10/20/09 12:12 PM, ratchet103 wrote: Some freinds of mine are basketball players and in summer, they startet doing that parkour stuff and they take me with them sometimes. they can jump fuckin high and pull them selves up nearly everywhere. I want to be able to do that stuff too, but i fail at climbing up a 2m wall. :/
my question: How can I train my legs for jumping and my arms for pulling me up walls, railings etc?

I'm actually not sure how to train for sports and agility, but I do know you need to build up fast-twitch muscle fibers. If you'd like, I can link to you some bodybuilding threads related to parkour training.

Bodybuilding is disgusting. The only strength you'll ever need should come from what you should be able to do if you were living in the wild. Meaning, you shouldn't have to lift 300 lbs bars of whatever, just simply be able to lift what is necessary to survive. If anything, humans should be lean and quick, not enormous and unable to touch their elbows together.

My alternative theory is that you're ignorant. Not every bodybuilder looks like Goddamn Ronnie Coleman, and it's a personal choice. Bodybuilders are often much, MUCH healthier than the population, and strive to attain a perfect body.

At 10/20/09 11:40 AM, GuntherHermann wrote: You perceive moderate, humble people as people who lack self confidence because you are arrogant pissant. I can help you improve yourself, I have a doctorate in psychology and have helped all kinds of sick deviants. Just PM your billing information and we can arrange something.

I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about, but I believe I was very reasonable in all my posts. If you have a problem with confident people, I suggest you find help yourself.

Hahahahaha

Nice tits.

Pecs with a bit of fat on them. You doing any better?

Also a little sunshine once in a while wouldn't kill you buddy.

Actually, i'm pretty tan, just shitty cell phone picture quality. I assume you I am proficient in Vitamin D.

Any people who want help?

At 10/20/09 01:41 AM, GrammerNaziElite wrote: Just so everybody in this thread knows where I want to end up-

Sorry, except with bigger legs, of course.

Just so everybody in this thread knows where I want to end up-

My kind of thread.

At 10/20/09 01:17 AM, TrantaLocked wrote: Proud member of the atheist church, believes in good health, stays calm, likes to help people. You remind me of myself.

What's up, bro? You seem like a cool guy.

I hope to see you more often here on newgrounds, if you can :)

And for my fitness, I fall slightly below where I should be, but "good enough." I need to build some serious muscle, and I am hoping to become a lot stronger. I am definitely not fat; some call me skinny, but not too skinny. I am 15 too, so what do you suggest I do to gain the most muscle in the least amount of time? And by the way, I have cardio down; I play volleyball every day at school, and bike to and from school 6 miles a day.

Well, cardio actually inhibits muscle gains, so if you seriously want to build up muscle I recommend you try to cut down on the biking. If you are serious about gaining muscle, I will give to you a beginners mass and strength building program, targeted for teenagers. I'll warn you though, it's not easy and it requires you to do exercises that you can potentially injure and even kill yourself with.

I have to tell you, compared to me, you are pretty buff XD

Ah, naaaah.

PM me for further developments.

At 10/20/09 01:05 AM, yurgenburgen wrote: I want rock hard pecs like yours.

Poke fun all you like, but my dedication, hard work, and perseverance will lead me to someday look like a true bodybuilder.

At 10/20/09 12:42 AM, All-Hallows wrote: I won't trust your fitness advice until I have a photo of you personally. I'm not taking fitness tips from a fatty, k.

As you wish...

One year of training, one year of spending 2 hours a day learning about exercise and another two hours exercising.

I'm fifteen years old. Not what one might call a goal physique, but I'm bigger than most.

185 pounds, 14 inch arms, 23 inch legs, 32 inch waist.

Not sure about bench, 210 squat, 260 deadlift