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At 7/25/09 06:29 PM, HiddenLink wrote: all i know is that i miss being able to easily tell what the game is rated without having to open up the page.

Yeah, I did like the old system better, I mean, what with some of these spammers putting E ratings on things that DEFINITELY aren't for children, this system seems to have a MAJOR flaw in it. They do try to put a play button on adult content before the flash actually appears on the page, but I don't think that will be enough...

Let's try to keep this thread on topic though, I'm sure a discussion about the new system is floating around somewhere...

Something has been bothering me for a while about certain content that has been submitted in the portal, and it has me wondering if this kind of thing should be found to be unsuitable.

What I'm talking about is certain games depicting rape, specifically games like "Dominus Predator Sim" or "Sex Puzzle: Kasumi Island."

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against adult content or anything, I've seen some pretty good sex and dating sims here on NG, but this whole thing about rape fantasies and getting off to acting like a sexual predator just disturbs me. Should we even be allowing this kind of thing to pop up here? Or ANYWHERE for that matter? All it seems to do is glorify violent sex crimes.

Let me know what you think.

At 3/2/09 05:45 PM, mwmike wrote: when it's all working fine it should be opened to the public.

By "open to the public" do you mean that regular NG users can start putting medals in their games!?

Okay, I was voting on submissions in judgment when I noticed there was a flash I didn't notice before below some of the "in judgement" flashes. I went to check it out, and it was something I didn't even vote on (I've been voting all day on submissions in the judgement phase...) I suspect the user swapped the file into the portal. So my question is, how do I investigate it, and if it is swapped, who should I report it to?

At 1/28/09 05:21 AM, Aci6 wrote: Spam isn't always bad, sometimes its just a short flash that's amusing but nothing grand at the same time. It would be nice if we could flag down crew flash though such as FF which is absolutely crap.
Don't people know if you vote 0 and wade deletes the flash after it passs you get a blam point?

Actually, I have a couple questions about that.

1) How long after a flash is submitted can it still be blammed?
2) How low does the score need to be?

At 1/28/09 05:21 AM, Aci6 wrote: Spam isn't always bad, sometimes its just a short flash that's amusing but nothing grand at the same time. It would be nice if we could flag down crew flash though such as FF which is absolutely crap.
Don't people know if you vote 0 and wade deletes the flash after it passs you get a blam point?

Really? I was told otherwise. I've tried voting 0 on all those Hitler Catching 'em all in 250+ days flashes and someone told me that it wouldn't work. Thanks for clearing that up.

At 1/27/09 03:47 AM, Cyberdevil wrote: Spam is when someting that lack effort is repeatedly submitted for the sole purpose of being repeatedly submitted. Such cause applies for forums, flash, music, anything.

That's more what I was aiming to nail down. I like that definition better.

At 1/27/09 01:32 AM, Sheizenhammer wrote: "If reality is dependent on what each person perceives it to be,Then reality as a collective does not exist." -Mindchamber.

this applies to all abstract concepts, "spam" included. since everyone's idea of what "spam" is will no doubt differ greatly from person to person, a collective term for 'spam' will likely be impossible to ever find. and let's not forget NG's slogan: "Everything, by Everyone". how could a set of anti-spam rules ever be made without betraying the ethos of NG itself? yes, some things don't deserve to be on here, and yet they remain, but like i said before, the reason some of those are regarded as spam flashes whilst others are simply 'crappy' ones is down to the perception of an abstract concept which is, by definition, notoriously difficult to pin down and put into words.
a general definition is, by that reasoning, highly unlikely, and the only things i know that reliably differentiate a crap flash from a spam one fall into 3 things:

1. some spam flashes have deliberately misleading titles/comment boxes.
2. some spam flashes are mass-voted into the portal
3. some spam flashes are file-swapped into the portal

notice the word "some" in all of those. even if you combine all 3 of them, you'd still only encompass a fraction of what is percieved (by some) to be 'spam'. also of note is that no's 2 and 3 are already against the portal rules; that's more a matter of Wade only being one person, with more things to deal with than one person should have to. number 1 is also unenforceable by any possible rules, as a flash author can edit those things at will, before any mods/admins can get around to looking at it.
getting rid of ALL the garbage AND spam would have the side-effect of making NG (very) uninviting to newcomers if their first, second, third fourth and fifth flash has little to no chance of ever being accepted, and everyone has to start out somewhere.
so, in short, being draconian about it won't work, trying to define "spam" is (probably) inherently a doomed effort, and honestly, i think that nothing short of portal mods that can assist Wade in patroling NG's ever-growing flash database is going to work. you're best bet is just to vote 0, move on, and hope the admin team can (and will) implement something at a later date.

Yeah, I learned that the hard way. Everything that has been said in this thread lead me to that conclusion, but I wasn't aware that there were actually certain rules against what some of these flash crews have been doing. (And unaware of the file-swapping...) I'll have to go give the FAQ another look and see how I can help enforce those 2 rules, since that's what people are mainly getting angry at in the first place, and what I was hoping to help solve. It's not that I wanted to make Newgrounds less user-oriented, but to take care of any trouble-makers. Well, thanks for your words of wisdom.

At 1/27/09 12:55 AM, cast wrote:

At 1/27/09 12:16 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Vote zero. Ok? Express your opinion and let the majority rule. Users who spam there flashes into the portal get deleted along with their flash. No one needs to clog the whistle system up by doing what you are suggesting.

This is what I meant to say..

LET IT REST

Alright, I get your point, no need to get angry over it, guys... =_=

At 1/27/09 12:16 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: Vote zero. Ok?

Well, the thing is, I have, many times, but I've seen many people get fed up at the Kitty Krew and Faggot Federation and such, so much so that flash movies have been made to encourage people to vote 0 on their submissions. But some people claim that they hire as many people as possible and mass-vote in order to pass their submissions, so there have been a lot of complaints about them, and this was just my way of trying to help solve the problem of people trying to break the system to get free B/P points, if that really is the case.

At 1/27/09 12:02 AM, PaperBagMask wrote: But where would we be without greats such as BUTT FIGHT: RAW

Okay, I can see where people might find that funny, and by those rules, they can be regarded as spam. It probably isn't necessarily mass-voted on, either. I guess I'll have to re-think my approach to the rules...

At 1/26/09 11:29 PM, cast wrote: Once again, stop fucking associating SPAM with BAD and stop trying to define it. It has many faces, you know it when you see it. It may be funny, or it may be a waste of time. Spam is artistic, spam is meaningless, spam is spam.

This is a reoccurring discussion, and I'll state as I always do for the most part we run Newgrounds. If something passes judgment and it pisses you off, shut the fuck up you had your fair shot at deleting it, other people felt differently. I don't think flagging submissions that YOU don't like is the answer, are you a portal Nazi? It's not hurting you, this is the internet, IM DONE.

But it's a well-known fact that certain crews mass-vote in order to get free protect points, and MANY users, who DO vote 0, btw, get annoyed by it, and that's why rules need to be put in place, to stop people from breaking the judgement system.

Alright, it's about time something got done about all these spam flashes that have been surfacing on Newgrounds from certain flash crews like the Clock Crew, Lock Legion, Faggot Federation, Kitty Krew, and others. To make sure only quality flash ends up in Newgrounds, I propose that people should be able to blow the whistle on spam flashes, as "unsuitable", since A) It's a form of trolling sometimes, and B) People use these submissions to get free protect points, regardless of quality, or lack thereof. But the problem with that is there really is no solid definition of what spam is. So, I have decided that the purpose of this thread will be to discover what makes a flash "spam". Here is my attempt at a definition of what a "spam" flash is:

1) It has to be short (Under 1 or 2 minutes after loading, roughly.)
2) If it's just a single animation loop, or is a picture with an animation loop, either at the start of the movie or after some sort of intro, (Usually with the title) it's spam.

So far, these rules, based on my prior experience, are how I define spam. This thread is open to debate, so the rules can be re-defined until people are in agreement to what spam is.

It's not in a good state. I say we think of ways to define spam so people can blow the whistle on it. I'm thinking about making a new thread in the forums about it, but I have to make sure no one's done it before...

My idea is to make spam "unsuitable" so people can blow the whistle on it. But the problem remains, what is spam? Well, my idea is to make a thread where people can wrack their brains so that we can come up with a solid idea of what spam is and hopefully get it written into Newgrounds law. But before I do that, I just have to make sure no one ELSE did that... So now I'll commence digging through the forums.

At 1/26/09 09:51 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote: (there is no concrete definition on what exactly counts as 'spam', so rules against it are currently impossible to write, let alone effectively enforce).

Okay, than how about this: What if I started a thread suggesting what defines spam? Maybe if a few people could rack their brains on it, we could figure out how to define it?

At 1/26/09 09:46 PM, Sir-Nuts wrote: I don't think anyone complained about this, but it isn't such a big deal. For example, take a look at the last page of the Clock Day 07 collection. Look at the very bottom. There are many submissions that were deleted, yet they're still in the collection.

The admins have more important matters at hand. Plus, it isn't that important, since it doesn't happen often (I mean, it isn't on every collection).

But, if you want to point that out to an admin, PM either Rob or liljim, they take care of the site's programming.

Thanks, I contacted Rob. I'm hoping it will get removed soon as there's one review I'm not particularly fond of...

What if I started flagging spam submissions as "unsuitable"? What would happen?

I was looking in the adult games section and noticed that a certain "Cosmo Tails Hentai" submission was blammed, but the icon for it still wasn't taken down. Check out the stub here:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/403569What is the deal with that? Has anyone else complained about this before?

At 1/20/09 10:23 PM, Ismael92 wrote:

At 1/20/09 09:52 PM, MitochondriaMan wrote: Is this allowed?

No, because he isn't even reviewing (he doesn't provide any kind of criticism).
And just to make things easier, I'll link to the guy's profile.

Cheers.

Actually, I think even the one that isn't a spam is abusive. What do you think? I flagged them all anyway.

There's a thread here called "Rages Gift to You: Abusive Reviews". It's in the same category as this thread. People submit stuff to blow the whistle on there all the time, but it isn't foolproof, so use your best judgment when blowing your whistle.

At 1/20/09 06:29 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/47 9576
He did it again despite what happened, don't let him get away with this.

Blown, and he has another one here:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/47 9575

I saw this movie on Youtube! It's definitely stolen!

At 1/13/09 07:41 PM, A-Shift wrote: Ok, it's a very shitty review, but maybe it's too old to flag it?

http://free2doanythingiwant.newgrounds.c om/reviews/flash

No, I'm not talking about the the second one...

Idc, abusive is abusive. Someone needs to lay down the law eventually.

Never mind. I guess his site is HonryGamer, and it's in the credits. I shouldn't have blown the whistle...

At 1/12/09 09:05 PM, sinskae wrote: Wait! he has been around since '07, and has a link to his website on his page, so maybe it isn't stolen.
Your guys' call.

But something doesn't add up. There's already a "Horny Afternoon 3" on Shark's site, and even an "addition" to it. Why is it only showing up now?

At 1/12/09 09:04 PM, sinskae wrote: STOLEN!!!!

From http://www.zookgames.com/media/332/Horny -Afternoon.html

Well, the game was created by "Shark in a Blue Lagoon", but the problem is it's hard to pin his identity... But I think this might be stolen so I'll flag anyway.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/47 8419

I saw this on a sex games sight... (gamesofpassion.com I think... Look up a "Meet N' Fuck" game and there will be a link to it there.) Did John P really make this or is it stolen?

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/41 5868 Aceman4k8 calls the author a pervert.

... On your news updates? I discovered some things on my news post that are probably worth reporting. I'll leave them up there for people to look at, but I think at least one of these people should be banned from NG...