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What we wanted doesn't matter in this case. The law states the death penalty is the recommended sentence for his crimes, and that is what he got. The justice system shouldn't bend to an individual's mentally sick requests. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

At 1/28/05 05:46 PM, Afroholical wrote: http://bushflash.com/14.html

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What's your point again?

At 1/28/05 05:23 PM, Ryo89 wrote:
It's a difference in the battlefield. USA fought communism in one single country, while they fight 'terror' all over the world.

On the contrary, the Cold War never broke out into any physical fighting (excluding Cuba), but was fought worldwide.

I think that any war with any casualties at all is a total failure, for both sides. Terror can be fought by peace and peace only.

I wish that were true. However, peace itself, not accompanied by power (which America seems to be losing more and more every day [not necessarily military or economic, but influence]) cannot defeat terror.

Tell me, how can military power EVER defeat terrorism? Military actions is a form of terror, at least it's what the US military has done to Iraq.

I disagree. Military actions are not a form of terror. They are a means of manipulation when dipolmacy fails. Since terrorism has no diplomacy or concept of peace, military action must be taken before peace can prevail. I never said military actions alone could defeat terror. An acceptance from everyone that terrorism is wrong, and a renounciation of the concept of terrorism is what will defeat terror. If you think military action, by established countries, is terror, then when President Bush claimed, "In the war on terror, you're either with us, or against us" --- he was right.

The so-called 'terrorist's' wouldn't have any reasons to hate america, if it wasn't for the americans themselves.

That's why they want to see the streets flood with our "pigs blood". It's already happened, and now they problem must be addressed.

Well, didn't you wan't to see muslim blood after 9/11? I can tell you that I wanted, and I'm not even american.

Well, I didn't want to see muslim blood spillt needlessly after 9/11. I wanted those responsible for the attacks, and those who supported the 'reasons' for the attacked to be brought to justice. Justice being held for trial, or killed while resisting capture.

Hell, 1/3 of my friends are muslim, and they want the same thing I do. It's not a religious war, but that's what those who hold terrorist ideals would lead you to believe. By claiming to act under the name of Allah and Muhammed, they gain support from people who would never normally support slaughtering other human beings.

At 1/28/05 04:55 PM, Ryo89 wrote:

And I know where we differ in this also: I believe the "war on terror" can be won. Some believe it cannot.
The war will not be won on military power alone, but diplomacy and compassion as well.

Tell me, how do you think it's even possible today? The war on terror will be lost by the US, exactly as the vietnamese won the vieatnam war.

I believe it's different in the fact of sheer statistics. Viet Nam was fought under the premise of "fight communism". It failed because communism was, and still is, a strong form of government supported by countries who have arguably successful nations. Terrorism, however, is not widely supported, or widespread. The majority of the world realizes killing innocents is wrong and needs to be halted.

I think that any war with any casualties at all is a total failure, for both sides. Terror can be fought by peace and peace only.

I wish that were true. However, peace itself, not accompanied by power (which America seems to be losing more and more every day [not necessarily military or economic, but influence]) cannot defeat terror.

The so-called 'terrorist's' wouldn't have any reasons to hate america, if it wasn't for the americans themselves.

That's why they want to see the streets flood with our "pigs blood". It's already happened, and now they problem must be addressed.

I hope I've helped.

You have, and I'm grateful for that. I still stand for my opinions, but you've helped me see it a from another point of view. I wish more people where like you, instead of just opposing. I thank you for being the one you are.
/Ryo

Thanks.

I choose not to rely on NG for the attitude of mainstream America.

First off: nice first posts. Congrats.

At 1/28/05 11:39 AM, Ryo89 wrote:

At 1/28/05 12:13 PM, i-hope-you-die wrote:

You need to know that fighting for peace is good, and fighting for vengeance or solely violence is bad.

Fighting for peace is a paradox itself. You can't win peace like that, because people will oppose any violent acts. Iraq has really become more peaceful the last two years, have it?

A paradox almost. There is an end, when one side prevails.

And I know where we differ in this also: I believe the "war on terror" can be won. Some believe it cannot.
The war will not be won on military power alone, but diplomacy and compassion as well.

I suggest reading Hobbes' Leviathan. It's very informative and philosphical.

Yes. Human life ending in any civilization is a sad thing. But also, there are things in life that are greater than life itself. Many of the people who died in these conflicts, died willingly for these things (ideals, values, family, country).

Please. Tell the 100,000 innocent, civilian iraqi that lost their lives because of the US military and the US military only that they died willingly. Tell the 4 million civilian japanese who were nuked. Please do so.

Life isn't fair, and neither is death. This war, as with any war, will take innocent lives. But like I said before, the reasoning is righteous and not malicious.
Imagine terrorism as a gangrene, slowly eating an injured arm, and threatening to infect your entire body and kill you. Medicines and antibiotics may slow the progression, but the only cure is to amputate. Along with the gangrene-infected parts of the arm, healthy parts will also be lost. That is a metaphor for our war. Some would have you believe the arm is entirely healthy and doesn't need to be cut off. Terrorism needs to be amputated.

I hope I've helped.

Would the cloning of a brain for say, a brain transplant (it may be possible in the future) be something to consider?

At 1/28/05 12:14 PM, Blackmagic wrote:
I stopped reading at this point.
LOL

LoLz0rs!!!!1

try contributing.

At 1/28/05 11:39 AM, Ryo89 wrote: Look, americans...

I'm getting so sick of your so called 'patriotism'!!!

Then please do something constructive about it. Whining and trying to appear morally superior are not the answers.

It seems like most americans doesn't realise that being a patriot IS NOT being a good human!!

Many would argue against you on this fact. Standing up for what you believe in and taking action is part of being patriotic, right? This isn't a good thing? When ideologies disagree, they go to war. That's human history and how life works.

I'm getting sick of hearing you wheep over 9/11 and call all so called 'terrorists' cowards! The only real cowards on the scene is the US goverment!

That is your opinion. If you are sick of hearing us "weep" (weep? WTF?) Then quit listening. A 16 year old like yourself shouldn't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon and conform to whatever popular dissent there is at the time. Think for yourself.

And I'm REALLY getting sick of that single phrase, 'God bless america'! Why should God bless a country that's so filled with idiots, that you actually belive that patriotism is a good thing?!
Ok, maybe I'm a little unfair here.

Yes you are.

Not all americans are total morons, I know some americans that are really nice people, but it seems to me that most americans are just self-centered idiots!!

And many Americans view "you people" as self-righteous pious assholes. Who's to say either of them is right? You seem to think your own culture / country doesn't share the same number of nice people and self-centered idiots. What makes you different?

1- When everybody, including me, speak of 'americans', we speak of the people living in USA. This is quite strange, since we don't refer to the canadian people as americans, nor the mexican people, the brazilian people, or the cuban people. Isn't THAT weird, huh?

What does that have to do with ANYTHING? The United States of America is our full title. Would you rather call us United States of Americans, or Americans? United Statesmen? It just makes sense to call us Americans, and the other North Americans. Ok?

2- You wheep so much over the 3000 9/11 victims, that you even START A WAR, to avange them.

You are being ignorant of the other side of the argument. It's supposed to be a war against terrorism, not a perogitive to try to bring closure to the families of those who lost loved ones on 9/11. Maybe you need more diversity in your life instead of a steady helping of anti-Americanism. Please at least look at both sides of the argument before declaring such a bold and uninformed opinion.

Wait a second, did you ever wheep over the afghanistans? The iraqi? The vietnamese? The japanese? The germans? The <insert nationality here>?

Yes. Human life ending in any civilization is a sad thing. But also, there are things in life that are greater than life itself. Many of the people who died in these conflicts, died willingly for these things (ideals, values, family, country).

Now the $64,000 question: Have you prayed recently for the souls of those who've perished?

That's something. If he were 'american', I bet he'd be a national hero just for saying that. But he isn't, so you made him the devil.

Here is where we differ on idealogy. Example: many people believe those people who were killed in the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, TX were innocents (although there were alleged charges against their leader). The FBI & ATF killed many people inside, some burning alive . . . and some children. This event was Timothy McVeigh's rationale for bombing the Oklahoma City federal building. According to your logic, he was justified, correct?

You need to know that fighting for peace is good, and fighting for vengeance or solely violence is bad.

There is so much more to say than I can possibly manage to write here today, so I'll leave it here with these final words.

God Bless America.
You're gonna need it, assholes.
/Ryo, the Globalist.

Ryo. Please reconsider your immature radical thoughts. The world of tomorrow doesn't need idiots like you today.

At 1/28/05 11:17 AM, Tombulgius wrote: Yeah, BeFell, you really should stop bashing religion.....it's flaws don't mean you have to go and insult it. You're much more of a target for flames that way.....which means nothing can change.

You guys, can't we please just get along? Even if BeFell is some sort of liberal atheist, it doesn't mean you two need to be condescending. He's just as much of a person as either of you. Until you realize your equally bigoted ways, you will not be the "bigger person". Please try to accept everyone.

While I understand some anti-american sentiment, not all makes sense from a realistic point of view. While in Germany, I found out many things about the US government that I previously had not known: foreign policies regarding, trade techniques and comparitive economical structures. They disliked our ways of thinking and acting not solely because they thought it differed from their own, but that it was inferior to their expectations. THAT was why some europeans voice their dismay at us. Now I'm not tlaking about disgruntled 14 yr olds here, I mean actual adults. Adults, people who've lived long enough to see through 98% of the bullshit. Maybe the US needs some introspection and modification. Attacking us with dimwitted disses and nearsighted "i want" solutions aren't what's needed. America needs to come back together as a whole country and realize this. Despite what those who hold greater power and influence than us believe and want us to believe, we can still agree that we want the best for America. And according to the vote, George Bush is our man to lead us for the next four years into what the majority of American voters thought would be the best path, given the options. Can we as Americans understand and accept that not everything we do is perfect? Can other nations accept this fact also? We need to strive for perfection more energetically than what we are now. Doing things half-assed, like invading Iraq with dangerously faulty information, doesn't help. Yes, our intelligence that the leaders of our country believed in, failed. We're sorry. Will you please understand we really do want what is best for the good and righteous people of the world, from any background or upbringing?

ps I'm not a fucking hippie.

While you're asking a valid question, I don't think you need a thread for it. Try here. Thanks.

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At 1/25/05 05:00 AM, Harakirie wrote:

lol! thats stupid !

omg teh LoL

At 12/14/04 03:13 PM, alien_television wrote: well...your hoping will end in possibly 80 years...

You're a shining example of why people generalize liberals. Shut up kid.