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At 9/19/07 06:34 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 9/19/07 06:20 PM, GeneralChao wrote:

We don't even know what the "original" looked like. There is constant debate on what is correct/incorrect in the Bible. Shit....they're doing the same thing with Homer, and we've been reading his works for 1000 years longer!

They believe ervery thing in teh bible its just.. i sue the trinity for an example cause i cant put what i wan to say inot words. People didnt believe in the triniry until through scripture they found that God is 3 people in one. Also i didnt know they debating homer. Since you are sure please post a site that debates homers book. Thanks.

Or because the authors knew mentioning a negative would cause disinterest in the religion. Honey catches more flies than vinegar.

I totally agree that God not the authors would want people focusing on understdning hell and not GOd.

If they could be so wrong before, why cannot you be so wrong today? What makes you better?

On the rare occasion we uncover some sort of artifact that sheds light on the ancient world, nothing much. We still run into the same translation problems regardless (because language is inherently imprecise), and the metaphores and allusions referenced may never be fully understood (as the civilization is lost as well).

For example, we found this recently, which suggests that Romans, and thus the Early Christians, in Constantine's day did indeed believe in round earth. Thus meaning something was lost among the way, from the fall of Rome to Galileo. Was it due to biblical misinterpretation? Could be, but I'm more apt to believe it was due to a complete loss of organized education in the Dark Ages, rather than the fault of a book, who's job it was not to discuss the implications of the geography of the Earth.....

By now i think that other people should be correcting others answers and not just me.

Also keep posting your ideas about the question i asked.

At 9/19/07 03:22 AM, Drakim wrote:

At 9/19/07 12:41 AM, GeneralChao wrote:

A question. If they read the Bible wrong before when they thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe, and were wrong, because they are just humans.

How do you know that you are right today? How do you know that the Christians of tomorrow won't toss away the idea of heaven and hell, because that was just something old Christians read wrong? (just like you are doing with earlier Christians now).

Sometimes what people believe in Christianity was flase and believed for centuries beside how the earth was flat. Until a scholar came along and corrected the problem. We as humans have grasped the bible today while back then they began to understand all its meaning. Also im looking up in my concordance and heaven is mentioned over 200+ times, Hell in mentioned 14 times becasue i belive God doenst want us focusing on hell.

If they could be so wrong before, why cannot you be so wrong today? What makes you better?

I think i answered your second qustion in the first.

At 9/18/07 10:25 PM, SallyZattepodz wrote:

At 9/18/07 10:03 PM, GeneralChao wrote:

At 9/18/07 09:45 PM, SallyZattepodz wrote:

At 9/18/07 09:12 PM, GeneralChao wrote:

At 9/18/07 06:44 PM, Raymoondo wrote:

Ooh, and number 4 on the site: Most sailors of Columbus's time already knew the Earth was round based on the way ships disappeared over the horizon. I remember doing a lab in 5th grade about it, and there's quite a lot of databases that I don't feel like searching through that would support this assertion =]

Ooh and based on the bible, most people thought the Earth was the center of the universe

I dont know why you put that other stuff but it was unnnecessary.

Oh, I kinda thought it was...cause your website inspired me...
Like in most "predictions" about the future...they're not seen to be miraculous until they become true. Most horoscopes work because in hindsight, you see that the vague jumble of words do turn out be be true in a way...but that's because the situations described in horoscopes are general and could be interpreted to fit almost anything. Your website worked backwards...It already had the situation, so they were trying to find the right jumble of words to fit it. Naturally, most words didn't fit right...so they kinda tweaked them a bit to fit the particular situation.

I have never tried or heard of horoscopes working. I believe they are a thing where satan uses them to manipulate people. Also I belive they are proving thorugh science how its relates to the scriptures.

Also people of that time of the belief when the Earth was teh center of teh universe interpreted the scriptures wrong which in somecases happends a human error. Which was fixed later on.

And you yourself could most certainly be misinterpreting what the bible says, because of "human error", right? So...I guess the way they interpreted the scripture on the website could also be wrong, and they're really just grasping at straws?

Well anyone could use to their advantage but we are sinful creatures soo we make mistakes but come to realize from closer studies or teaching that what we interpreted was unture and make the necceasy fixes.

At 9/18/07 09:44 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 9/18/07 09:35 PM, GeneralChao wrote: stuff

Nubcake, I didn't even answer the second question.

Sorry if you didnt think it answered the question. I though it did but whatever.

At 9/18/07 09:45 PM, SallyZattepodz wrote:

At 9/18/07 09:12 PM, GeneralChao wrote:

At 9/18/07 06:44 PM, Raymoondo wrote:

Ooh, and number 4 on the site: Most sailors of Columbus's time already knew the Earth was round based on the way ships disappeared over the horizon. I remember doing a lab in 5th grade about it, and there's quite a lot of databases that I don't feel like searching through that would support this assertion =]

Ooh and based on the bible, most people thought the Earth was the center of the universe

I dont know why you put that other stuff but it was unnnecessary. Also people of that time of the belief when the Earth was teh center of teh universe interpreted the scriptures wrong which in somecases happends a human error. Which was fixed later on.

At 9/18/07 09:09 PM, K-RadPie wrote:

At 9/18/07 09:06 PM, GeneralChao wrote: Yes but are they accurately true just becuase you can use your senses doesnt mean the information is true.

Who said anything about the information having to be true?

Definition of fallible (which i stated in the question) is "likely to fail or make errors; "everyone is fallible to some degree" From http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1 T4GGLJ_enUS224US225&defl=en&q=define:fal lible&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=tit le
Which shows that all bibles, religious books or other books information is full of errors.

lolusebetterwordingnexttime

At 9/18/07 06:44 PM, Raymoondo wrote: If this thread is still going on, I dont know about all theese books but I think if think if man wrote the books. It is just a belief it's not a fact or anything but maybe some hallucinogens used when no one knew what they were.

http://www.livingwaters.com/witnessingto ol/scientificfactsintheBible.shtml
Here is some facts of the Bible which anything done or that comes to pass,and event. To deny a fact is to lie.

:Or they could be true but who the hell knows and if there is maybe we are all screwed. It is something that no one will know till they die....

That is why we look though books such as the Bible which tells us what will happen after we die and how we can live in the afterlife either heaven or hell.

At 9/18/07 06:48 PM, K-RadPie wrote: Of course I believe in religious books. Let's see, I own the Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Bible, just to name a few

Who the fuck would doubt their existence? I can physically see them, touch them, and read them.

Yes but are they accurately true just becuase you can use your senses doesnt mean the information is true.

At 9/18/07 06:38 PM, fahrenheit wrote:

At 9/18/07 03:42 PM, GeneralChao wrote: But writers of the Bible were under strict rules concering writing the bible.

Yeah but whose to say what was right and what wasnt? Most of the texts were from memory like you said, so they could be distorted. Not to mention the fact that the whole thing was organized by a roman emporer, who decided what books went in and what went out.

They spent years studying the entire bible and was requried to know it by memory. Also this was not organized by a emporer for writing or cpoying the bible was illegal and u could be killed for having one. What we called monks,people who live a secluded life copying the scriptures were in groups all study and copying the scripture.

So why didnt all of the books get in? Because they didnt preach what the church wanted it to.

I dont know where you got this question so if you could show me becasue it doesnt relate to the statement under me which i dont know why u copied, did u belive it to be true?

First of all they had to copy the word every word by word by hand and from memory. If they messed up they had to burn that page and bury the ashes. The early writeres placed high importance on getting the scripture correct. Also i agree that scripture was inspired by God beacuse no book that has been made by man has lasted as long and had a effect on the earth as the bible.

At 9/18/07 05:37 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 9/18/07 04:52 PM, GeneralChao wrote:

At 9/18/07 04:24 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 9/18/07 03:42 PM, GeneralChao wrote:
But writers of the Bible were under strict rules concering writing the bible. First of all they had to copy the word every word by word by hand and from memory. If they messed up they had to burn that page and bury the ashes. The early writeres placed high importance on getting the scripture correct. Also i agree that scripture was inspired by God beacuse no book that has been made by man has lasted as long and had a effect on the earth as the bible.

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Let me show you and example in diffrent translations. (Leviticus 18:22)

RSV: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination"
NLT: "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin"

Nope. Not exactly copied word for word, eh?

First of all i did some little resaerch and found that its views are in controversy and is not a major bible used for referance such as NIV. Also the bible was written in diferent ways for understanding but has the same truth behind it. Also you didnt add the rest of the verse making it fit your opinion, sneaky. "22 "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." From http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/05di scoverthenlt/ssresults.asp?txtSearchStri ng=Leviticus+18%3A22http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Revised_Standard_Version

Sorry, I didn't mean to leave out a part. I posted it as I found it. But, nevermind, the point still stands.

But, one thing you seem to be missing, is that copying word for word makes a very bad translation. To get a message or meaning across perfectly, you need to actualy NOT copy it word for word.

Sorry if didnt mention it but they copied scripture to get more copies becuase of no printing presses at that time. Which shows after all that time and copying we have the same bible. People translate it to their own language so they could read and understand it. Tyndale translated every word and though about the translation for every word. You try to translate our bible into a another language where people dont have the bible or a word for God.

At 9/18/07 04:22 PM, SolInvictus wrote:

At 9/18/07 03:13 PM, GeneralChao wrote: Do you believe in the Bible or any other religious writings/books?
If so, wouldnt all books be fallible becasue it was made by man?

one could believe the Bible and not take it literally.

a little irrelevant but a necessary point.

In order to believe in the Chirstianity you must belive in the Bible. Also there are passages in the bible that are not to be taken literally such as if you sin with your hand cut it off or if your eye causes to look lustfully get rid of it. It shows the seriousness of what you did and the would be consequences.

At 9/18/07 04:24 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 9/18/07 03:42 PM, GeneralChao wrote:
But writers of the Bible were under strict rules concering writing the bible. First of all they had to copy the word every word by word by hand and from memory. If they messed up they had to burn that page and bury the ashes. The early writeres placed high importance on getting the scripture correct. Also i agree that scripture was inspired by God beacuse no book that has been made by man has lasted as long and had a effect on the earth as the bible.

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Let me show you and example in diffrent translations. (Leviticus 18:22)

RSV: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination"
NLT: "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin"

Nope. Not exactly copied word for word, eh?

First of all i did some little resaerch and found that its views are in controversy and is not a major bible used for referance such as NIV. Also the bible was written in diferent ways for understanding but has the same truth behind it. Also you didnt add the rest of the verse making it fit your opinion, sneaky. "22 "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." From http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/05di scoverthenlt/ssresults.asp?txtSearchStri ng=Leviticus+18%3A22http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Revised_Standard_Version

At 9/18/07 04:14 PM, CyprusX wrote:

At 9/18/07 04:10 PM, Joeniemator wrote: Ok go on waste your time with stupid online games, im really not going to stop you from doing it.

I don't see what's the difference of visiting newgrounds and playing video games.

Not much except your not using your mind less then you would wiht a video game but you dont use that much when playing games anyways so.

MMO's(your you people who dont know what that is) Massively Muliplayer Online.
What makes a mmo so addciting to people and most played games out there? Wow: Burning Crusade currently holds the record for most pre-orded and bought.The fact of getting a high level or just doing it becasue of friends? A sense of acomplishment? Or becuase your bored?

I believe the only reason wht the game is soo popular is beacuse you can do other things that getting levels in attack or whatever but get levels in say woodcutting and firemaking. Bu I belive after playing mmo's that they are all pointless becasue you play it and in the end its just a waste of time and you end up bored.

At 9/18/07 03:34 PM, AapoJoki wrote: Religious people will come up with some bullshit excuse that, while the holy books were written by men, they were "inspired" by God, or that "the truth was revealed" to the authors. The problem with this is, it still comes down to trusting the actual people who wrote it. A lot of things are "inspired by God" and a lot of "truths" are "revealed" to certain people. Most of the time, nothing good comes from these cases.

But writers of the Bible were under strict rules concering writing the bible. First of all they had to copy the word every word by word by hand and from memory. If they messed up they had to burn that page and bury the ashes. The early writeres placed high importance on getting the scripture correct. Also i agree that scripture was inspired by God beacuse no book that has been made by man has lasted as long and had a effect on the earth as the bible.

At 9/18/07 03:16 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 9/18/07 03:13 PM, GeneralChao wrote: Do you believe in the Bible or any other religious writings/books?
If so, wouldnt all books be fallible becasue it was made by man?

Couldn't you have posted this in another thread, since it is so short, or written some more? This will only give you "yes" and "no" replies, until somebody goes off-topic and things get out of hand.

Oh, and I don't believe in any religious books. :p

Well belief in religion is a very hot politcal debate right now so i belive is a very good place to post.
Also I believe it gives you a chance to think about it and give us view and personal opinion on the topic.

God is the maker/creator of heaven and earth, he sent his only son to die on the cross for our sins soo we could join him. He is a God that loves his people and is benevolent. He is the most holy of holy and three in one(Trinity) God, Holy Spirit, and Jesus.

Do you believe in the Bible or any other religious writings/books?
If so, wouldnt all books be fallible becasue it was made by man?

I agree family guy is one of the top 3 funniest cartoon shows, robot chicken and futurama are second and third.

I likked it alot but the cancelled the show but abc got convinced and are making a fianl episode.

Anyone who is in this crew i know a site that has free family guy just pm if u want the link and ill give u information about. Ithas all the seasons and quick download i have almost all the seasons from there.

How was that his first post when he ad 9000, HAXZOR!!

At 9/2/07 02:56 PM, GeneralChao wrote: Forget about the sig i wanted. Could u take the current sig i have and make it bigger and get rid of both the names and replace the bottom left one with General Chao. Thank You and have a nice day. Here is the picture also.

I asked about this and no one did i dont think its that hard but plz do. Thank You

Ok who would win in a fight Mat Damon or Tom Cruise. Thats what i meant and why would they win over the other.

Uhh i would water it down and paint the car that will work. Or u can just kill yourself.

DUDE YES YOUR SHOULD GET IT ITS A AWSOME A GAME!!

Ill have to go with the face, but i mean what guy doesnt like every thing about women(unless your gay).

Fisrt i would make money off of it
Second i would blam all hte people who mkae krappy submissions just from the name.