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I don't think Hilary Clinton will turn America into Cuba. I just think she will screw up healthcare and the middle east.

I am sure Obama will accomplish the same, so my vote goes to McCain.

At 3/2/08 05:30 PM, ABsoldier17 wrote: Actually I agreed with your first president

I second that, speak softly and carry a big stick!

I have on several occasions, or at least revised slightly my opinions.

Most notably I have become considerably more concerned about the state of virtue and morality which was always something I considered a secondary thought, to pragmatism.

Also my tactics in debating have changed significantly, I have become much more tolerant of jerks, where as before I would lower myself to their level I now either ignore them, or chastises them for their ill manners.

I have spend long ours formulating my beliefs, so while I am always conscious of the fact that being an imperfect human I might be round I also require significant proof of this to warrant change.

No competition is the driving force behind progress not conflict.

But you are right in that the above scenario is unlikely, still its are only hope.

At 2/28/08 01:21 PM, KeithHybrid wrote:

At 2/28/08 11:59 AM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: What would you propose?

I dunno, maybe condoms? I bring this up for two reasons:

1. You said it yourself earlier on: some protection > no protection.

Yes a condom would be preferable to nothing, but condoms can break. I would concede that if the likely hood of passing it on could be reduced to say 75% then it would be a better option than mandatory celibacy.

I also would point out that I would place no prohibitions on two infected people having sex, so long as they don't have a child, they should adopt or use surrogate volunteers to do so.

Like I said before I am not trying to persecute infected people, I am merely proposing a way to contain the disease and at the same time mitigate the need for quarantine which is the point of this topic.

2. You are living proof of the benefits of wearing a condom.

Do you make a habit of rudely insulting people who disagree with you? You should work on that.

At 2/28/08 01:21 PM, KeithHybrid wrote:

At 2/28/08 11:59 AM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: What would you propose?

I dunno, maybe condoms? I bring this up for two reasons:

1. You said it yourself earlier on: some protection > no protection.

Yes a condom would be preferable to nothing, but condoms can break. I would concept that if the likely hood of passing it on could be reduced to say 75% then it would be a better option than mandatory celibacy.

I also would point out that I would place no prohibitions on two infected people having sex, so long as they don't have a child, they should adopt or use surrogate volunteers to do so.

Like I said before I am not trying to persecute infected people, I am merely proposing a way to contain the disease and at the same time mitigate the need for coronations which is the point of this topic.

2. You are living proof of the benefits of wearing a condom.

Do you make a habit of rudely insulting people who disagree with you? You should work on that.

At 9/17/01 05:35 PM, Raptorman wrote: I recently went over to the Islamic Discussions Board on Delphi.com and read an article written by a young Muslim of 17 named Ibrahim...

This message fills me with a great deal of hope, this young man is a credit to his faith and our nation.

If more people thought like him, the world would be a much better place.

At 2/28/08 10:03 AM, Heatherrrr wrote: And the tattoo idea? Thats just fucking stupid. Firstly, if AIDS is so much of a threat, what sane tattoo artist would risk working on someone with a disease that volatile? Secondly, sure these people were careless and contracted the disease, but think about them, they KNOW they have it. Do they really want to look down and themselves and be constantly reminded of their one mistake? And if you think about it, its pointless. If YOU got AIDS...are you seriously telling me you wouldn't have sex for the rest of your life? Its human nature. There isn't just a quick fix to something like AIDS. It's similar to cancer in some respects. People will have it and go on with their daily lives, waiting for a cure to become available. Until then in the AIDS case, people will carry on having sex. Its a personal choice.

What would you propose?

Infected people can't have sex without the chance of passing on the disease.

If a way could be found to change that then it would be ok, would you allow a person with small pox to wander around town?

In the end my suggestion is much better than the quarantine idea, at least they will be able to go about their lives as normal.

Don't mistake my tone, I have nothing but sympathy for people afflicted with this disease, I just want to end it.

At 2/28/08 10:45 AM, Zeistro wrote: Are people so moronic that they'd vote for him solely on his charisma and ethnicity? McCain has scores more qualifications than either Obama or Hillary.

I concur, he is the best for the job.

At 2/28/08 01:33 AM, Earfetish wrote: labelling HIV positive people with a tattoo assumes that a sizeable amount of people who are aware they're HIV-positive are still fucking around unprotected.

And I don't think that's true in the slightest. I can only recall two cases of this happening, and the perpetrators were imprisoned because of it.

Whether or not its true it is an unnecessary risk, some kind of action is preferable to none, right now we are doing nothing.

I fear it isn't true.

At 2/27/08 10:42 PM, Christopherr wrote:

At 2/27/08 10:28 PM, Malachy wrote: it was really full of truth.

No.... way....

Nero may not be a saint be he sure is not the antichrist.

He was a very insane confused man.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war" Plato
"the heavens cannot brook two sons nor the earth two masters" Alexander the Great.

There will be war so long as humans remain divided by nations and driven by greed and fear.

I believe that we as humans must change two things if we are to abolish war and save ourselves from self induced extinction.

One we must end nationalism and establish a perfected pan-human global nation ( an ideal democratic state)

Two we must attain the philosophical wisdom and virtue to compete with one another but not escalate competition (with is the mother of progress) into conflict.

Hmm a wise man, hopefully his ideals will live on and be perfected by a future philosopher.

Much of what he said I agree with, some I do not, all in all a good philosophy.

At 2/27/08 11:48 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:
Concepts are evil though. For example, a totalitarian state is a concept that invariably evil since it rejects man's basic political and socio-economic rights that we hold dear. Imperialism is just as equally evil for the degradation of those said rights.

True, but I would label it a flawed ideal rather than personifying it with concepts like good and evil.

If it respects those who it conquers, why does it conquers those people? Your not showing a people respect when you destroy their government and society and replace with yours.

Only if the society that is the conqueror is superior to the conquered.

Would not a third world country be better off as a part of a pre existing first world one?

Would not a tyranny be better off by being conquered by a democracy?

Would not a religiously free state be better off than a religiously restricted one?

Well I really didn't need the graphic detail there!

However you do have a point, I suppose with the willing infection = murder policy, the marking could be saved for specific circumstances.

Still so long as the tattoo is discreet would it really be so unreasonable? It may conflict with modern sensibilities but what harm could it cause? Surly it is preferable to the lengths a person must go throw to ensure their partner is clean. I suppose my Cynic is showing, I am unconvinced that the majority of people really would come clean.

I am voting for john McCain in the 2008 presidential election as I did in the primary.

Like me he is a moderate republican, with a reasonable war strategy, and a sound domestic plan.

I suggest all others do the same.

Communism is a flawed ideal.

An ideal society is one that rewards the intelligent, virtuous, and ambitious; and punishes the weak, ignorant, and lazy.

The government should only intervene in so far as luck is reduced as a factor and social mobility is ensured.

Classes are good for without them there is no hope of a better station, the proletariat become the plebeians, the plebeians become the equestrians, the equestrians the senators and the senators the new emperors.

Also the oligarchy is a flawed form of government as is the tyranny as is anarchy!

A republic is the ideal.

At 2/27/08 11:42 PM, fli wrote:

At 2/27/08 11:27 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: I would propose making it mandatory for all infected persons to have the name of their disease tattooed just above their genitalia (care must be taken to insure their comfort this is not to be a punishment) so that should they have intercourse their partner could see their disease and take precautions.

Hey...
it worked for the Jews...

How funny... you've nearly said verbatum what William Buckley, who died today, about AIDS victims.

"Everyone detected with AIDS should be tattooed in the upper forearm to prevent common needle users, and on the buttocks, to prevent the victimization of homosexuals,..."

good riddance to bad rubbish.

That's why I propose it be marked above the genitalia, that way no one would see unless they were in danger if being infected.

I got the idea from Hammurabi not Hitler.

My view is if someone is infected they should be happy to do this in order to insure that no one else will suffer as they do.

If I was infected I would be even more in favor of such an idea.

At 2/27/08 11:48 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote:

"Valor is superior to numbers" Flavius Vegetius Renatus
"In war, numbers alone confer no advantage. Do not advance relying on sheer military power" Sun Tzu

The surge was a good Idea but it was doomed without popular support, moral must be heightened on all levels, particularly the moral of the Iraqi citizens, and the anti war groups who by their presence aid terrorism whether they wish to or not.

Dam my new word processor! I apologies for the error.

"Valor is superior to numbers" Flavius Vegetius Renatus
"In war, numbers alone confer no advantage. Do not advance relying on sheer military power" Sun Tzu

He surge was a good Idea but it was doomed without popular support, moral must be heightened on all levels, particularly the moral of the Iraqi citizens, and the anti war groups who by their presence aid terrorism whether they wish to or not.

At 2/27/08 11:34 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I seriously hope that last poster was going heavy on the sarcasm.

Would this not be preferable to quarantine? If such precautions where taken it might mean the end of this disease. If aids where eliminated millions of lives would be saved every year for the rest of time.

What problems do you have with my suggestions?

The Persian and Roman empire should be models for all states in the modern world, both had their flaws and their Virtues.

We should learn from them repeat the things that made them great, and reject the things that caused their fall.

Imperialism isn't evil and it isn't good, imperialism is a concept not a person so it can't be good or evil.

Imperialism can be a good thing if the empire which expands is a just society which respects those whom it conquers. Likewise it can be evil if it is an evil society which persecutes those whom it rules.

I would propose making it mandatory for all infected persons to have the name of their disease tattooed just above their genitalia (care must be taken to insure their comfort this is not to be a punishment) so that should they have intercourse their partner could see their disease and take precautions.

The punishment for knowingly infecting someone should be the same as murder.

People with such diseases should be forbidden from giving birth, having intercourse, giving blood, or any other activity that can passe the disease from one human to another.

Other than that they should be treated as anyone else, with dignity and respect.

At 2/25/08 09:08 PM, FlashCridic1124 wrote: This may be an old subject to dwell on but I do get really pi$$ed off when you don't support the troops. And the anti-war rallies anger me as well, I get it, but people have died as soldiers and for there beliefs, and if they where alive how do you think those troops would feel seeing such an act?

"Without a sign, his sword the brave man draws, and asks no omen, but his country's cause. "

Homer the Iliad

Whether or not you favor the war, you must support those who would lay down their lives for your safety, if you would betray them you have no right to live in a free land.

Blood is blood, the more we have for transfusion the more lives may be saved, both homo and hetero-sexuals can have aids, therefore the ban should be only on people who posses blood that contains transmittable disease, and not based on the sexuality of those people.

It's the 3rd centaury; barbarians at the gates, division and civil strife at home, questions about citizenship, and culture and virtue itself is corroding leading to degenerate hedonism.

Our civilization is great and powerful its has promise and in time may evolve into a utopia, or like Rome before it, and Hellenism before that, it may collapse from within and from without, imploding into nothing.

Our greatest threat is the loss of virtue, reason, and patriotism. These things we are loosing, the surest sign of a civilization on the decline.

I'm back.

Note I have wandered the web, grappled with logic, insanity, human nature, and after going completely insane from sleep anemia and falling into philosophical hell. I have returned, wiser, calmer, and stronger than before.

Veni vidi vici!

At 10/20/07 03:30 PM, Empanado wrote: We are in need of an update on NBC's hit medical drama, As the Lounge Turns.
I'm ok with all of you crybaby punks as long as you cut it out with the pompous-ass Roman talk. It's annoying and unrelated to anything being discussed anywhere. You people want to babble about Biggus Dickus or Incontinentia Buttocks or whatever, go make a Roman Club at C&C. It'll fit in wonderfully, ringht between the Anime Rape Club and the Fun Math Crew.

Yeah I'll stop referencing antiquity when it is fitting to the conversation... when I am ordered to by great Caesars ghost!

At 10/20/07 06:25 PM, Imperator wrote:

At 10/19/07 09:43 PM, GaiusIuliusTaberna wrote: tell that to Polybius

Kai su, teknon? Fuck Polybius, he's a traitor to the cause.

No he just preferred using toilets rather than shiting in a freaking jar.

At 10/19/07 10:45 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: Look, I'm not saying you're stupid because you can't spell for shit, I'm saying you're stupid for not caring that your bad spelling and grammar makes you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about.

That and it goes against the principles of being a Classicist. We're all anal when it comes to attention to detail......

Sorry Malachy I was going to ignore this but twice it one to many. It was one fucking letter get over it! What absence of a life would lead you to waist free time correcting internet posts!? History and spelling are two different things the former of which I am good at the latter I am working on. If you don't want my input on this topic, say so and I'll leave I don't care to waist my time absorbing abuse from you and at the same time be expected to ignore it!

The fact is I am perfectly content to remain polite and calm but if you or any one else intends to provoke me than I think it's fair to assume I will respond in my own defense.

At 10/11/07 02:32 AM, Imperator wrote:

At 10/11/07 02:19 AM, Thread-Killer wrote: Mankind doesn't deserve saving. Show me someone good that died at the hands of evil. Oh wait, you can't.

Well I don't know if their lives ended at the hands of people who were "evil", but I think we can agree that there are a lot who fit the saying "The Good die young".....

For Ex:
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Hey
Two more
And a recent one for the finale

Imperator I didn't know you where a novas homo me I kind if take the mid ground between the optimates and the populus Cicero did make a good point but so did Marius.

At 10/20/07 02:22 PM, Drakim wrote: What's with all these adult swim movies being posted? D:

Lighten up I thought it was funny.

But seriously I only brought up those examples as a thought experiment I am not saying that it is evidence of god.