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fair enough. there are SOME good ones out there but the outstanding number of weak, lame, boring, poorly animated, and overall not satisfying ones far out numbers the good

At 7/18/06 05:14 AM, DethX wrote: You obviously haven't watched quality sprite movies, you stereotyping fucker.

Ever seen ROTMK? How about SnB, or MB? Idiot.

lol how old are you? 16? "this guy doesnt share my opinion...ill show him! your dumb!!" please refrain from speaking for the good of our race ^.^ thank you. oh and by the way if you were asking if ive never seen those...why the fuck would you not spell them out fully so i might know what they are if i havent? nice.

they were cool for a time, but now every ten year old with a computer is throwing them together and flooding the portal. Am i the only one sick of these stupid movie with very little creativity and even less style? or are there people out there who are just as tired of um?

wow this just sounds like a teenager rant "my family sucks! everybody hates me! ill get that bitch fro disrespecting me!" dude grow up, get over it, you were infront of her house. let it go....or on second thought do somthing stupid get caught then get sent to juviee for a few days see if your still such a tough guy.

At 5/18/06 08:18 PM, GunCrave wrote:

Did I state I was an Wiccan expert? I even mentioned in that quote my knowledge in the field is limited and you shouldn't take my word.

But I'll endeavor to answer your question. From what I've heard Wicca isn't necessarily a religion as it is more a culture or practice. Wiccans hold to the believe all other religious deities exist, but may not be as significant as the primary deities. For example, wiccans might not think much of the old Norse trickster god, Loki because his actions only reflect upon the viking nations. At the same time a wiccan might highly revere the Shinto goddess Amaterasu, Goddess of the sun. Because her contribution is universal as being a sort of sun-avatar.

Another thing I've heard is that wiccans use magicka to perform spells or rituals, such as dream reading, healing or divination. It's similiar to kami worship. But all and all, Wicca is a collection of many pagan pantheons and practices. I believe.

I could be totally wrong and gotten everything about Wicca wrong in the above statements, but I've never practiced it or read about it. So I am accepting the fact my knowledge could be flawed.

your actully not that far off. ok. Wiccan is a kinda tricky one, its changed so much over the years its hard to follow what it is now. but for the most basic beliefs this is what it is. you do not worship the one great deiety, you worship many deietys that you feel around you, alot of the time poeple onoly choose to give the names to help them in there Craft. Its alot of nature worship, ya know loving the ground we live on and so forth and so on. seeing beauty in even the most desolte landscape. they cast spells and magick yes but as i said eariler, not the magic everyone thinks of, the magicks we use anyone could use and generally do in everyday life and not notice. Magick comes from the energys around us, the energy of the world, the stars, the univierse. if you think about it, everything is made of energy. and energy can neither be created or destoryed only chnaged. well if everything is energy and energy can be changed...thats what magick is. finding a way to manipulate the energys around you to recive a desirable outcome. For examples of how its used refer to me last post.

Now just because we worship the earth and all live, doesnt mean that we are all tree huggin weirdos, granted i will fight to keep a forest alive, but im not going to stand infront of the bull dozers or close a sand dune for a flower (damn that made me mad >.<!) life has to take its corse, humans are the most dominate speices on this planet so therefor have many rights that other spices dont. that doesnt mean we should abuse that right but thats another argument. but anyway thats just a sum up of Wicca if you want to learn more, like actully learn more the i would suggest picking up a book called
'The Inner Temple of Witchcraft. magick, meditation and psychic Development' by Christopher Penczak.
very informative, open minded book. so as i said, if you do wish to learn more that would be the book to read ^.^

you do know why its still "very unnatural" and "way to weird" right? because alot of us have to keep our lifestyle secert from the rest of the world else we run the risk of being discriminated against, threatened, beat up and so on. the truth is its still so "unnatural" because you dont see enough women kissing women or men holding hands in sitting in a resteraunt together kissing. im not saying you have to see them have sex, but if you saw that kind of thing every day it would be lessa nd less weird and less and less "unnatrual"

It's the same thing that people do with Christianity and Islam. They take an extreme minority and assume that the entirety of the group fits this and are thus extremist. It's generalizations such as these that make our society such a shitty one to live in.

Quoted For Truth!

At 5/18/06 04:51 PM, -Thestalos- wrote:

At 5/18/06 05:50 AM, FoxFire42 wrote:

:: If a person becomes mentally challenged around 15 they would be left alive since they have already establish a big presence in peoples lives.

so a child growing 9 months in someones stomach hasnt devleoped a pressence with the family? mentally handicaped people may be hard to handle but they are still human beings. i guess alot of people could care less if it saves them a few bucks..

At 5/18/06 06:31 PM, GunCrave wrote: Personally, I think paganism is a primitive religion that should of gone the way of the dinosaurs. I think Wicca is a load of shit and it's disciplines are stolen from other pagan rites such as the Occult. But I do not practice either one so you shouldn't take my word seriously.

why is it so primitive? and your right modern Wicca has taken alot of traditions from older pegan relgions. but then again so has the christian relgion. Christmas, weather jesus was actully born on Dec. 25th or not alot of tradtions are taken from pegans. the
x-mas tree, the yule log, gifts, misletoe, ect. that doesnt mean that X-mas isnt a christian holiday at all. far from it.

At 5/18/06 06:31 PM, hhcash wrote:

Witches don't exist.

your kinda confused on this. i believe any way. Pegans and wiccans who activly partisipate in magick offten lable them selves witches. we do not fly on brooms, eat children or curse people. rather magick is a way for us to harness the energys around us. your thinking hollywood magic probably....fireballs, transformations, and other stuff like that more than likely. but those are all false. magick helps us with everyday tasks weather its building up confidence to go into a job interview calm or to even get our application noticed by who were trying to get hired from. I used two work related one because they are the two recent ones ive done. now one could argue that its mearly coinsidence and that "just because i hold this pen does not mean it keeps lions away" which is very true. but as most relgions we have faith. when we cast and see a desidered result sure it could be coinensidence but it could also be very probable it was of our own doing. im simply trying to inform others about wicca and peganism. nothing more.

At 5/18/06 04:37 PM, Clownshock wrote: Gay people dont keep their sexuality within their private lives they try to show that they are gay. So therefore saying that i care about the personal lives of people is completely wrong. Do u even no how many straight guys get raped every year in jail? And u wanna say the gays are suffering?!?! Face it homosexuality is skrued up and if don't think so then u might as well wear rainbow shit on ur clothes and walk around like u have no balls. I'm out this bitch.

lets see..where to begin with this..ok i know People are in prison for a REASON. second not everyone in prison that rapes some bitches is gay, think about it for a sec...your locked away for 25 years with no contact with a woman. you are farly strong and have the power to make someone do what you want. So there for you rape them to releave sexual tension. and f*** you, i garentuee you i have more balls than you mainly because im pretty sure yours havent even droped yet. im so sick of sterotypes that lable all gays as flamers. if you met me on the street you would NEVER one guess im gay, i have no style, i dont talk with a lisp, i dont random point out hot guys. so either your balls havnt droped yet or your just ignorent. either way. dont bother posting here any more you have nothing to contribute to this discussion but hatred.

very true. Pegan was a term used by christians to describe anyone not of there faith, or of a very "primitive" faith. it is used to do to denounce other relgions as "barbaric" and primitive. Heathen was a term again used by christians (not haten just sayin) to describe anyone who lived on the outskirts of citys and villages, offten time hermits or lepers. How iy evolded into "godless" ive no idea x.x

your right. they dont... and unfortently my experiences with relgion have proven that people dont seem to understand that at all

forgive me if i eluded to orginaized relgion being the cause of the hatred. it was not intended. i understand that relgion is not the reason but mearly a scapegoat for alot of people. and i understand god never once said "kill them gay faggots" i was imply refering to the group ive received the most hatred from

What do you guys think.... think he's a queer? because if he is I'm scared now...

you are ignorent..to lose a friend becasue hes gay? wow some friend you are. go ahead and abandon him. he's queer so hes bad...duh where have you been? -.- ignorence..

hmm after recently responding to a thread about Goths and such it has come to my attention that mayhaps wiccan and the such are still very much mis udnerstood.. so in my genuien curisosity i would like to know from you, the people, just what you think you know about Wicca, witches, and peganism?

Lol goths=satanist? maybe some...youve beenw atching to much south park or live in the deep south. First off Goth is a style of clothing, art, and lifestyle it has NOTHING to do with Satan. some Goths do things like "to the dark lord!" or some BS like that but those are a mjoirity of attention deprived teenagers who need a way to express there feelings. Paganism, wiccans, and witch's DO NOT -this is imporant now- follow Satan or any form of satan...hell we dont even believe in him. spells are not evil in orgin and we do not hate babies....dispite popular belief witchs and wiccans are far more accepting of others than most people care to admit. who ever told you Goth was a relgion should be better informed next time. as should you.

wow...never thought id hear that out of the mouth of anyone who wasnt a Nazi. "kill the impure!!" thats exactly what it is folks...Nazis had the same idea. 'course ima be told this is a lie and we'de be ensuring the lonjevity of our nation because retards would eb dead. wow. and i thought I was going to hell lol. Firts off you place money over a human life... not to be unexpected in his country. Second you assume much about people. you said somthing on the lines of "well if it happened later in life thats ok because they've already contributed to society" Have they? what if a child becomes reatrded at 15 before he can get a job or any skills? Third you say they are a burden on soceity, because there unthinking heaps of skin pretty much...what are babies? and also ive seen autistic people caculate far greater numbers in a manner of second than ive seen somone do with a calculater and a sheet of paper... so that kinda kills that point. this argument is deplorable, Human life should be above any amount of money

Sin is everywhere because everything is a Sin. what is so "gross" about it? not trying to start any hatered, i just want to know. i look at stright people and its not gross to me, they are natural. i dont know if we are natural but i do know my feelings and expressions twards men is compleatly natural to me, i never feel akward or strange. or like im doing somthing wrong. the only argument that i can think of that isnt "its in the bible" is "its not natural for men to love men and women to love women" but even then who decides somthing natural. dont say god please, im looking at this from a strickly sicentific manner. sure we cant repoduce, but the world already is over populated, so why then is it STILL such a bad thing? ive heard alot of people on this thread and the prevaling arguments are simply two.. God and Naturality. is there no other reason? if so then i fear for this world, not simply because of its lack of respect twords gays but for its lack of respect for every single person on this planet. if one person can be hated then the rest can as well. i dont hate over zelous christians, i really dont, dispite all the hate, all the threats all the disrespect ive recived from simply one group of people i dont hate them. i have faith that one day our world will change for the better and man will respect his fellow man NO MATTER WHAT. i respect all of you who offered arguments and put your ideas and theroys into this thread, though i dont agree with alot of you...i still have great respect for you. because even though you dont agree with me-though i wish you did..it would make my life alot easier- you believe in your morals and beliefs strongly enough to expres them and fight for them. and thats what being human is all about. i dont care if you dont like gay people because were "unnatural" or because "god says so" or what ever...just uderstand we are people to just as you are and we do have friends and family and lives. we live among you and work with you as well. we all die together and return to the earth. Sure we are diffrent, but when was being diffrent such a bad thing...hell thats how our country got started. By people who were diffrent. i dont ask for all people to like us but to simply ackowlage us as people as well and give us every right that every other person has. that is not to much to ask. alot of you say "you have every right!" no we dont. we can not be wed. we are treated diffrently at our jobs and at our schools. we can not walk around in public with out fear...so if you dont like gay people or we make you uncomfortable..so be it i cant chnage that. but just remeber we are people to.

At 5/17/06 05:35 PM, Clownshock wrote: Wut the hell are u talking about?!?!?!? EVERYTHING is wrong about being gay. Its offensive to see that a man can actually be like that and its disgusting how they anal eachother. Guys are not meant to have dicks in their ass ok. guys are supposed to be with girls thats the only way babies are made. Not to mention being a homosexual is not normal as someone else said. God meant for girls to be with boys and vice versa. Girl on girl may be fun to watch but it is still not the way it is meant to be. Guy on guy is not fun to watch and it is not the way things were meant to be. Now does this answer ur question. Peace out.

I have the thank you. PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! read this post and tell me why it has to be this way? "girl on girl is fun to watch" "guy on guy is not fun to watch and it is not the way things were meant to be" what are you? 16? or are you just compleatly clueless and carless to human suffering going on around you? do us a favor and stay out of a argument if your just going to say things like "guys are not meant to have dicks in there asses!" thank you.

so...what your saying is gay people rape anything they come across?

i believe it. but not because it has anything to do with science i just believe youd like to hurt people

At 5/16/06 03:31 PM, SundayBest wrote:

At 5/16/06 02:48 PM, FoxFire42 wrote:

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i understand there are thousand of other people who believe totaly diffrent than i do, thats compleatly fine. i dont care. if they feel somthing from there relgion hey more power to them.

So if some pagan cult decided to break into your house and kidnap one of your family members to be used in some ritual sacrifice, you would be perfectly fine with that?

Lol wow... you just -right in that insatnt- showed me exactly how ignorent you are... "a pagan cult kiddnaping your kids for sacrifice" do you even know anything about pegan religions? have you even tried to learn about them? we do not "kiddnap children in the night" for our "satanic rituals and sacrifices homerun" thank you for setting your beliefs back five hundred years.

I do however have a porblem with people pushing there religion onto others and judging those who dont follow there own.

And your religion doesn't impose their beliefs on others?

not at all. i dont go door to door and push others to believe the way i do. i dont care how they choose to believe, my problem is not with the belief its with the way its practicied. kinda like your "kiddnaping babies" theroy only with out the whole blind eye point of view. Pushing hate, intolerence and looking down on others should not be part of worshiping God.

nice attempt to try adn tera me down though.

I don't have to try and "tear you down". You've done that well enough on your own.

hows that?

i know i cant spell for s***

Perhaps you shouldn't have dozed off in class.

i have a dislexia. probably spelled wrong once again but that means its extreamly hard for me to spell words and do math because they get mixed up in my head. but again..thanks for trying to tear me down.

At 5/16/06 03:07 PM, FoxFire42 wrote:

but thats exactly what you said "First, people are not condemned to hell for not believing in Jesus."

Actually, I did not say that. Mr. Hanegraaf did. I am just the messenger.

Besides, Satan and his demons believe in Jesus; yet they are already condemned to hell. (Matthew 25:41)

you posted it in the first place...implying that you said it.

At 5/16/06 03:30 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote:

At 5/16/06 03:13 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

At 5/16/06 03:02 PM, Penal_Disturbance wrote: Homosexuality is a state of being that cannot be helped;

I disagree here, if only in that "cannot be changed" is too absolute to be applied to everyday life.

Life itself, and the state of being, is not ingrained absolutely from birth to death. Where does sexual confusion lie, if a state of sexuality cannot be changed?

I don't understand what you're saying. After many, many tests, there has never been a solid case of either long term fixed sexuality or gender identity being changed. And even if we could, it would be denying them who they are, and most likely lead to depression

exactly. the "sexually confused" part comes from not being able to deal with the fact you may be gay. because with our society as it is a child can be thrown out of there house simply for loving someone of the same sex...they dont want to admit to them selves that they have these feelings so they try to be "normal" date girls, show off there extream masculinity, marry and even have familys only to realize later in life they arent happy and they made the wrong decition.

what would your name be?

i would be melvin

At 5/16/06 03:04 PM, SundayBest wrote:

At 5/16/06 02:58 PM, x_Toadenalin_x wrote:

At 5/16/06 01:44 PM, SundayBest wrote: First, people are not condemned to hell for not believing in Jesus.

So you could get to heaven whilst totally rejecting the idea that Jesus exists?

No.

but thats exactly what you said "First, people are not condemned to hell for not believing in Jesus."

At 5/16/06 02:53 PM, GunCrave wrote: I haven't heard much about anyone pushing their religion on others. I did hear the ACLU tried to get legislature passed in Louisiana. The legislature would dictate that if a teacher mentions "God" they can be thrown in jail. So I wonder whose forcing their beliefs on others more?

your right. that is totaly extream. however public shools are for the scientific veiw on the world. if parents or even children dont want to be taught that way they have the option of a private relgious school.

haha nice. no real agument to back your self up so you have to attack my spelling and grammer? nice. No im not blinded by my own beliefs. i understand there are thousand of other people who believe totaly diffrent than i do, thats compleatly fine. i dont care. if they feel somthing from there relgion hey more power to them. I do however have a porblem with people pushing there religion onto others and judging those who dont follow there own. and who says they cant all be right? what if when you die your soul's memory projects the after life you believe? "oh thats crazy" yeah i bet it is, because you JUST DONT KNOW. Second. ignorence doesnt always refer to spelling grammer and book knowlege. nice attempt to try adn tera me down though. i know i cant spell for s*** but hey thanks for playing

yeah those dirty SOB's! having there home ttoaly destroyed and there lives compleatly uprooted! damn them all! they should shruge it off that they lost there only daughter and get back to work! who cares if there city still has aeras of rampt pleague because of sewer lines rupturing! fug that! get back to work!
*sarcasum off*

At 5/16/06 08:40 AM, SaiNT_SiLEiGHtY wrote: They have as much right to being homophobic as your "friends" have to being homophobic. men have right to do what they feel an if they have to right to beat your "friend" half to death, its their choice. It is obviously wrong to beat someone half to death for being gay, but you cannot force your opinions upon them. To tell someone that theres nothing wrong with gays when they obviously have a problem with them is wrong in itself. They have a right to hate gays, so let them hate gays.

Let me quote someone I respect from anoter forum.

"-I have as much right to be homophobic as they have a right to be homosexual."

ah ok...so let me get this straight...its totaly ok to hate people that are diffrent from you? wow...i see. man ive been living my life compleatly wrong. let me start living it correctly then, the next straight guy i see ima beat the fuck out of him stomp on his chest nearly drown him and tell him how he should be "normal" to me, tell him that every idea he's ever had is totaly wrong and discusting. ill be sure to spit on him and then show his kids just how badly i beat the shit out of him because i totaly have the right for it. thanks, now i can finally start living my life right.

Yeah...that doesnt work does it? imagen that... yeah no s*** they have the right to hate us, they do NOT have the right to try and kill us, mame us, "show" us how wrong we are, and deny us rights. you are the very imbodiment of everything i feared growing up, people like you make me cry with angish because we cant be accpeted for who we are. there is nothing to fear about us, we are not trying to take over the world or converting people to be homosexual. you say God hates gays, are you God? are you so high and mighty that you area allowed to pass judgment on us? No. your not you never will be. Hate spawns more hate. the people who hate us have no justifiable right to hate us. Do i hate stright people because of the actions of a few? no. so why should they hate us for the actions of a few of us? we arnt all child rapiests and carrying desiese. studys show more stright men molest children than gays. need i point out the chatholic church? So dont even try and push "they have ever right" bullshit on me i know MY rights as a human being and if there rights keep others from there rights they shouldnt be allowed to have them.

I found this answer by looking in The Bible Answer Book by Hank Hanegraaf (you should look it over sometime). This is all in his words:

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Question:
What happens to a person who has never heard of Jesus?

Answer:
One of the most frequently asked questions on the Bible Answer Man broadcast is "What happens to a person who has never heard of Jesus?" Will God condemn people to hell for not believing in someone they have never heard of?

First, people are not condemned to hell for not believing in Jesus. Rather they are already condemned because of their sin. Thus, the real question is not how can God send someone to hell but rather how can God condescend to save any of us?

Furthermore, if ignorance were a ticket to heaven, the greatest evangelistic enterprise would not be a Billy Graham crusade but a concerted cover-up campaign. Such a campaign would focus on ending evangelism, burning Bibles, and closing churches. Soon no one will ever have heard of Christ and everyone will be on their way to heaven.

Finally, it should be emphasized that everyone has the light of both creation and conscience. God is not capricious! If we respond to the light we have, God will give us more light. In the words of the apostle Paul: "From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each of us" (Acts 17:26-27).

For further study, see Ronald H. Nash, Is Jesus the Only Saviour? (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1994). See also Hank Hangraaf, "Is Jesus the Only Way," available at www.equip.org.

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sounds like a easy answer to me. and how dare you assume what i have and have not done in my life. this is exactly the thing im talking about. your to one sided and blinded by your own relgious ferver to even think for your self. guess it just must be to hard to open your eyes and see there are other relgions out there with diffrent beliefs and ideals besides yours...so have wallowing in your ignorant bliss