At 8/22/09 02:24 PM, TheSovereign wrote:
At 8/22/09 12:36 AM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:
1.) There was a man known as Jesus way back when,
No, to assert this is ridiculous. It was 100 years AFTER anything was recorded about Jesus. Not only that, Jesus pretty much fits the archetypical prophet or saint which was set in place by earlier religions.
Thats what I meant man, you cant judge such a spread out phrase "way back when" That could mean anything. I was saying that there was a man, present in many religions actually the archetype saint yes, and now he is known as jesus to christians, formed into one man who was born 2009 years ago according to christian belief.
2.) God does exsist. He.she/it whatever god is, is an all knowing spiritual powerful force within the universe that makes everything work. It would not be possible for everything to work perfectly in nature without some sort of force, known as God.
Well, to be honest with you, you clearly aren't very observant of the universe. While you where trying to remember bible verses when your science teacher was attempting to teach you something. Everything in the universe is chaotic. On an atomic scale, atoms are fusing and reacting and changing. In the wild, every life form is struggling day and night to get ahead. On a universal scale, super novae are going off, black holes are swallowing up existence itself. This doesn't seem like the creation of a logical or loving being. Besides, for every scientific mystery, we've never had to come up with a supernatural explanation. Through science humanity didn't have to attribute the sun rise, the formation of planets, the formation of a solar system, or even the formation of a galaxy to a supernatural explanation. Science has a good track record of explaining things. And as of yet, there is absolutely no need for a god.
Oh I clearly arent very observant about the universe when I make a long paragraph explaining the complexity of the universe? What? And what makes you think i was remembering bible versus when my science teacher was teaching me physics? Whats the refrence to that point? Plus everything you just said I said. I was stating that atoms are so extremley complex and chaotic, known as entrapy, the universe is always chaotic. Everytime you try and organize something like putting out a fire, the chaoticness moves outside of where the fire was in the form of the fire turning into smoke.
Also things being engulfed by supernovas changing into black holes and lifeforms dying isnt illogical! On the contrary, it is very logical and pratically a good thing because things have to be destroyed to make way for new things. People have to die in order for the earth to maintain a decent population. It is the beauty of nature, and even more amazing how nature knowns how to do this. Its almost like nature has a brain, in the form of trillions of complex particles flying through space and time constantly working.
No need for a god to explain the universe? Science has A LOT to do with religion you know... I dont understand why people use science to contradict religion. Science backs up religion. I think that the complexity of science is just impossible and not logical that it would work rareley with an error! When I say error, I dont mean death like you said before. I explained that is not an error but a part of nature. When I say error, I mean a cell accidentally skiping a process in mitosis causing a rapid growth in multiplication of cells, causing a tumor. And even so, this technically is just natures way of causing trouble for a human and sometimes death. So that isnt even an error. Its just the cycle or life. Born, live, problem occurs, death.
3.) It gives humans the sense that we actually have a purpose in this universe. That we mean something.
Sorry, but we don't have a purpose beyond reproducing. While the evolutionary path we took has allowed us to do what other animals can't, it doesn't really mean we're special. Just because some of us can read and write and do a bit of math, it doesn't mean we are the masters of the universe. If you really need to believe that you and the rest of humanity is the spawn of an all mighty creator you are not only weak minded but arrogant. It is this belief that has allowed man to trash the earth; the only life bearing vessel we know of.
Agreed! We DONT really have a purpose, technically NOTHING has a purpose when you look at it on a universal scale. I am agreeing with you on that, you just misunderstood me. I am saying the PURPOSE of religion is to give humans the FEELING like we have a purpose. It makes us happy. There is nothing wrong with thinking we have a purpose because it actually pushes us on in life, helping others do the same and causing us to reach our goals. Besides, we have life as a gift. We should treat it as a gift and go about our lives thinking we have a purpose, being happy, being close to our beliefs and whatever god we believe in, it is better than having no beliefs at all. Thats my main point.
Anyway, you may believe you're beyond those who follow organized religion, but that doesn't change the fact that you pulled all this out of your ass. You are still just as delusional as you where before.
I believe WHAT? Your seriously misinterpreting what I am saying. Oh yeah i pulled this out of my ass right right! Seriously? I dont think you read everything I said,but hey thats a lot to read isnt it.
Thanks for stating your points, but most of the stuff you said I believe in I dont believe in. And being "delussional" is simply trailing away from logic to believe in the supernatural like jesus christ and god. Whats so wrong with that? *I dont beleive in jesus, and there is nothing wrong with that either*
At 8/22/09 02:25 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:
At 8/22/09 12:36 AM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote:
2.) God does exsist. He.she/it whatever god is, is an all knowing spiritual powerful force within the universe that makes everything work. It would not be possible for everything to work perfectly in nature without some sort of force, known as God.
I disagree with that. You're basically just saying "I can't explain how everything works, so god must have done it". I can't explain how everything works in nature either, but that doesn't mean we have to go jumping to conclusions like that. It just seems like you're trying to convince yourself that god is real for personal reasons rather than for an actual explanation for the universe and nature and so on.
Well of course I am. I believe in a god because i see no reason not to. You cant disproove he made it, and I cant proove he made it either. Therefore I have decided to believe in god because i believe i am bettter off having one rather than not having a certain sense of spirituality. Technically, spirituality is delussional but not like there is anything wrong with it unless you go around killing people for god... which is more crazy than delussional.
At 8/22/09 07:53 PM, Digital-Terror wrote:
I'm just going to finish my side of this and say that, although science can fault, that doesn't make religion automatically right. Just because science can't explain it doesn't mean religion is right.
That's pretty much what I was trying to say.
Of course of course. I explained this in the explanation right above this paragraph actually. No one can proove god but no one can disproove him either. Just believe what YOU think is right.
Man i hope people read responses. :/