Id say "Holy fuck its god" then an awkward silence would follow.

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Thats freaking hilarious.

At 8/26/09 06:17 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 8/26/09 05:19 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: Its a shame that we have to use logic in everything, because it blinds us from faith and the spiritual.

It is never a "shame" to take the logical path in any kind of situation. If I had a treatable disease, would it be a shame for me to make the logical decision to use medicine rather than rely on some kind of spiritual force to save me from death? No, it's common sense.

It's almost like you're saying that you'll accept logic when it's convenient for you but anything that doesn't really affect your life in any major way can have all this 'faith' and 'spirituality' thrown in for the sake of it. It only suggests that you are insincere in your beliefs.

I mean it is a shame that humans can not accept certain religions that do not use logic, but use spirituality. Logic is a great thing and I myself base my beliefs completley on logic, and partly on spiritual beliefs. I am just saying that sometimes we need to look into non logical things like hope when it seems impossible, faith when all seems lost, jesus christ when ther is no way a magic man could heal people, a god, e.t.c. It is ok sometimes just to believe.

Again... simply too many excuses as to why God's action/inaction is so totally illogical. "The lord works in mysterious ways" is only going to get you so far before you start sounding like an idiot.

Yes yes, good argument against christianity but what you are not understanding is that many christians realize this, yet they believe in something called SPIRITUALITY. It isnt logic, but people find all sorts of backup evidence in a spiritual form to back up their beliefs. I know plenty of christians who are preachers and they are very happy in their pressence with their "god" They have a little something called faith. Its a shame that we have to use logic in everything, because it blinds us from faith and the spiritual.

At 8/26/09 01:43 AM, satanbrain wrote: you said that any belif is fine. what about if i belive the world should be purify from the sinners and else god will be mad? anyone can't tell me i'm wrong -> that's mean i'm right! and if im right i should begin the purification.
logic and freedom beats religion.

I also said as long as you have moral values and do not kill. If you believe killing is right, then you probably will join the army for a better cause. A little vulgar, but still a belief. Now if you believe in murder and such, then you will die. Its your decision, and in the end is natures way of killing.

I think that every faith is right as long as you do not kill.

Bump. Just wondering if anyone else has any other thoughts on the subject.

Im a large nerd and completley admit it, and frankly am proud of it because us nerds can do some kickass things online. LIKE BUYING STUFF. And so i where my ng shirts as often as I can, to the movies, to the baseball stadium, to the park, everywhere bud.

i just flipped at toms new post.. check it. On the front page. :)

Hmm. Excuse me for a second while I go throw up in excitement from Tom actually basing this off my contest.

I might as well just change my name to FatFaggotWitaBowlCut.

Cause im a manly man, and only manly men are gay.

At 8/23/09 10:31 PM, Can-head wrote: This amount of philosophical talking made my brain work and now I force myself to talk... Let's begin by an introduction! I am an human, not the most intelligent nor the dumbest. I love science as crazy but that doesn't block my view to the reality. At first I want to talk about ''god''.

That pretty much is me to. I dont consider myself intelligent, yet i still study my intrests as best as I can.

At first, im a christian, I do not believe in it for philosophical and moral reason but I do respect the people who follow it and believe in it. So what i think of god? I seriously think that the first thinking ever of a supernatural being was to explain physical laws and universe rules that whit the knowledge they ad, that was the most logical answer. Who ever said that god NEED to be an sentient being? It could be energy or matter or even anti-matter. the possibility are endless, so the quest for answer.

I thing that God is actually a force trying to communicate with us. i believe this because of my experiences. I tried letting go of God but he kept giving me all sorts of signs and I was a fool to not see them until I realized how stupid I was being. I had a talk with my friend earlier today and I truly believe that God is the universe around us. I read "The Elegant Universe" which is a book about The String Theory, a very complex theory attempting to explain the answer to everything saying that everything is composed of very tiny vibrating pieces of 'string' I was fascinated by this and started to think, what if this force actually communicates with us? But mainly I just believe in God because he has talked to me and he has lead me through harsh times. You might say, no you dumbass that wsa your brain thinking some force was leading you, but so what eh? I was being lead and thats that.

As a great science fan, I searched and studied personnaly in nearly every subject I could understand.

Me to. Science has backed up religion for me in so many ways.

I got an theory too! Maybe it lack the amount of search of other but still worth thinking. I call it the '' Universe Wave Transmitter Theory''. From past research, space searcher have found that there is an sound that come from everywhere in space, at all time. My theory is that the sound is what is left from a Wave.

Well sound is just molecules banging up against eachother. Sound does not exist in space because space is a vacuum. What interests me, complex string theory shit, is that there are more than one universe possibly stacked up ontop of eachother which presents a complete alternate dimension, in fact scientists say that many particles travel in between dimensions. Its pretty cool stuff.

Pretty good for an 16 year-old kid whit dysphasia (Can be considered as an mental illness, it take to the bearer lot more of time to put in is memory thing. Like kid learn to talk around 2-3 year-old, me I said my first word at 4 year-old ) dont ya think?

Thats wonderful. I know an autistic kid, doesnt know shit and you cant have a serious conversation with him. Kudos.

Would like to get more philosophical talking, but my best friend is a rich dick and a bit dickhead, but he really nice sometime ( But is brother Gah! Could punch im in the face anytime :/ he such a douche )

HAhah well thanks for sharing your scientific thoughts!

By the way... im entering. And by entering i mean just submitting an entry. If i somehow win i will move everyone before me up one place. Like if i got second place, the person who gets third gets second and the guy who gets fourth gets third e.t.c.

Stalagmamamitmaizmza is gonna win i just know it.

At 8/23/09 03:37 PM, angryglacier wrote: THIS IS THE MOST BRILLIANT THREAD IN GENERAL! Anyways I'm so so very happy about this thread, since a huge amount of general is "uhhh words 2 big my braan can not unerstan it"

Pft nawwwww. Your just saying that cause im voice acting for you lolz.

At 8/23/09 09:55 AM, Ericho wrote: A lot of things in religion don't make sense, and have things we don't understand. What inspires people like me to keep being religious is that we should look at the alternative, (or at least the lack of a belief in God) believing that we are all here just because is an irrational belief in my opinion, and I remain baffled at all the people who have high IQ's that possess this strange belief. Richard Dawkins claims he's baffled by scientists that are sincerely religious and how they can do great things, while I can say that I am confused at how he can be a great scientist and believe life has no meaning. It only confirms our statements that people with ridiculous beliefs can do great things. We should all learn to understand each other's beliefs and not simply destroy them as a way of demonstrating that we are not destructive people.

Well actually... not to be egotistic or anything but I have a high IQ and I believe there is a God. Many people with high IQs believe in a god, and many people with average and low IQs dont. The IQ doesnt really have much to do with your beliefs other than the process of believing being different from someone with a low IQ, in the end we all form a certain set of beliefs based on our experiences in life, not what IQ we have.

And I completely agree with your last statement, we should learn to understand everyones beliefs and come to respect one another. Sadly, human nature has prevented this and terrible religious wars have occured such as the crusades, the spanish inquisition, the witch trials, heretic torturing, catholic torturing, e.t.c.

Uhh... the human race is dead then. Sorry but i highyll doubt we will survive that long. ;\

At 8/22/09 02:24 PM, TheSovereign wrote:

At 8/22/09 12:36 AM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: 1.) There was a man known as Jesus way back when,

No, to assert this is ridiculous. It was 100 years AFTER anything was recorded about Jesus. Not only that, Jesus pretty much fits the archetypical prophet or saint which was set in place by earlier religions.

Thats what I meant man, you cant judge such a spread out phrase "way back when" That could mean anything. I was saying that there was a man, present in many religions actually the archetype saint yes, and now he is known as jesus to christians, formed into one man who was born 2009 years ago according to christian belief.

2.) God does exsist. He.she/it whatever god is, is an all knowing spiritual powerful force within the universe that makes everything work. It would not be possible for everything to work perfectly in nature without some sort of force, known as God.

Well, to be honest with you, you clearly aren't very observant of the universe. While you where trying to remember bible verses when your science teacher was attempting to teach you something. Everything in the universe is chaotic. On an atomic scale, atoms are fusing and reacting and changing. In the wild, every life form is struggling day and night to get ahead. On a universal scale, super novae are going off, black holes are swallowing up existence itself. This doesn't seem like the creation of a logical or loving being. Besides, for every scientific mystery, we've never had to come up with a supernatural explanation. Through science humanity didn't have to attribute the sun rise, the formation of planets, the formation of a solar system, or even the formation of a galaxy to a supernatural explanation. Science has a good track record of explaining things. And as of yet, there is absolutely no need for a god.

Oh I clearly arent very observant about the universe when I make a long paragraph explaining the complexity of the universe? What? And what makes you think i was remembering bible versus when my science teacher was teaching me physics? Whats the refrence to that point? Plus everything you just said I said. I was stating that atoms are so extremley complex and chaotic, known as entrapy, the universe is always chaotic. Everytime you try and organize something like putting out a fire, the chaoticness moves outside of where the fire was in the form of the fire turning into smoke.

Also things being engulfed by supernovas changing into black holes and lifeforms dying isnt illogical! On the contrary, it is very logical and pratically a good thing because things have to be destroyed to make way for new things. People have to die in order for the earth to maintain a decent population. It is the beauty of nature, and even more amazing how nature knowns how to do this. Its almost like nature has a brain, in the form of trillions of complex particles flying through space and time constantly working.

No need for a god to explain the universe? Science has A LOT to do with religion you know... I dont understand why people use science to contradict religion. Science backs up religion. I think that the complexity of science is just impossible and not logical that it would work rareley with an error! When I say error, I dont mean death like you said before. I explained that is not an error but a part of nature. When I say error, I mean a cell accidentally skiping a process in mitosis causing a rapid growth in multiplication of cells, causing a tumor. And even so, this technically is just natures way of causing trouble for a human and sometimes death. So that isnt even an error. Its just the cycle or life. Born, live, problem occurs, death.

3.) It gives humans the sense that we actually have a purpose in this universe. That we mean something.

Sorry, but we don't have a purpose beyond reproducing. While the evolutionary path we took has allowed us to do what other animals can't, it doesn't really mean we're special. Just because some of us can read and write and do a bit of math, it doesn't mean we are the masters of the universe. If you really need to believe that you and the rest of humanity is the spawn of an all mighty creator you are not only weak minded but arrogant. It is this belief that has allowed man to trash the earth; the only life bearing vessel we know of.

Agreed! We DONT really have a purpose, technically NOTHING has a purpose when you look at it on a universal scale. I am agreeing with you on that, you just misunderstood me. I am saying the PURPOSE of religion is to give humans the FEELING like we have a purpose. It makes us happy. There is nothing wrong with thinking we have a purpose because it actually pushes us on in life, helping others do the same and causing us to reach our goals. Besides, we have life as a gift. We should treat it as a gift and go about our lives thinking we have a purpose, being happy, being close to our beliefs and whatever god we believe in, it is better than having no beliefs at all. Thats my main point.

Anyway, you may believe you're beyond those who follow organized religion, but that doesn't change the fact that you pulled all this out of your ass. You are still just as delusional as you where before.

I believe WHAT? Your seriously misinterpreting what I am saying. Oh yeah i pulled this out of my ass right right! Seriously? I dont think you read everything I said,but hey thats a lot to read isnt it.

Thanks for stating your points, but most of the stuff you said I believe in I dont believe in. And being "delussional" is simply trailing away from logic to believe in the supernatural like jesus christ and god. Whats so wrong with that? *I dont beleive in jesus, and there is nothing wrong with that either*

At 8/22/09 02:25 PM, yurgenburgen wrote:

At 8/22/09 12:36 AM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: 2.) God does exsist. He.she/it whatever god is, is an all knowing spiritual powerful force within the universe that makes everything work. It would not be possible for everything to work perfectly in nature without some sort of force, known as God.

I disagree with that. You're basically just saying "I can't explain how everything works, so god must have done it". I can't explain how everything works in nature either, but that doesn't mean we have to go jumping to conclusions like that. It just seems like you're trying to convince yourself that god is real for personal reasons rather than for an actual explanation for the universe and nature and so on.

Well of course I am. I believe in a god because i see no reason not to. You cant disproove he made it, and I cant proove he made it either. Therefore I have decided to believe in god because i believe i am bettter off having one rather than not having a certain sense of spirituality. Technically, spirituality is delussional but not like there is anything wrong with it unless you go around killing people for god... which is more crazy than delussional.

At 8/22/09 07:53 PM, Digital-Terror wrote: I'm just going to finish my side of this and say that, although science can fault, that doesn't make religion automatically right. Just because science can't explain it doesn't mean religion is right.

That's pretty much what I was trying to say.

Of course of course. I explained this in the explanation right above this paragraph actually. No one can proove god but no one can disproove him either. Just believe what YOU think is right.

Man i hope people read responses. :/

At 8/22/09 11:50 AM, misterchees0 wrote: God goes against every law of nature, avery law of physics.. everything.

On the contrary god MADE every law of physics, every law of nature, everything, or at least in my belief.

But still, people continue to believe in the scam.

It is not a scam. If it was a scam do you really think that such a large population of people would be christians? It is a way of life and people enjoy it, so they continue to believe in their god to give them strength to fight for their lifes and push forward, reaching their goals and dreams. Even people who do not believe in god have a passion for their belief, and it gives them a certain perspective on life in which helps them push forwared. Read what I said to the atheist earlier in this post.

I mean, for fucks sake, some people 2000 years ago decided that they wanted to become powerful, so they started to say:

Sicne man exsisted we have wanted to believe we have a purpose in life and that we can actually communicate with teh heavens in the form of spirituality. So we have formed thousands of different sets and forms of beliefs to help us in life.

Pray for god, you'll go to heaven,
Don't pray, and you're going to hell, buddy.

I agree that forcing someone to believe this brainwashing belief is an awful thing because it takes a long time to shake the feeling that you are going to hell when you quit Christianity, however it still keeps many christian which gets them closer to their lord.

Threatening eternal suffering (based on what?) was bad enough, so people decided to follow.

They said this because you will suffer a great deal when you do not believe anymore, as you would if you quit ANY belief! You will feel remorse for stopping believing and become depressed. They made it seem like you are trailing away from god and it is a bad thing, it is not a bad thing.

I believe Jesus was a good man, but he wasn't holy or supernatural. People wrote a book, probably over-stating everything.

Dont even get me started on the bible...

They used people, based on mystery. Since no one knew (or knows), what happens after death, they all got afraid, and then christianity spread.

That's how religion is a scam.

I should write a book sometime :D

Maybe you should READ a book sometime such as focusing on other religions rather than thinking religion is a bad thing. You choose to not believe in religion, when we all should have some sort of belief in religion to help us push forward. Your looking at it like mankind made the terrible atrocity known as religion... when in reality, rteligion helpes people every single day.

I pmed tom asking to put this in his next update! :)

I CALL LEVEL 34.

I am going to do a monoprint!

Is it alright that it is abstract?

At 8/22/09 02:39 AM, Smokey651 wrote:

At 8/22/09 01:59 AM, REDSPADES wrote: its refreshing to see someone who isn't a bitching whingey atheist loser on the BBS.

They give us atheists who have actually read holy books and searched for beliefs and decided they didnt believe in any god a bad name.

Indeed. They teach that if you do not believe in god, you are a bad person. It is also a sort of society belief since many people believe it is a bad thing. In reality, it isnt. At all.

I decided to become an atheist after questioning my previous beliefs as well as others beliefs. I also read a decent portion of The Bible, Torah, and Book of the Dead. (And want to read the Quran)

I to want to read the quran, it is a fantastic book says my friend and I am planning on strting on it sometime this weeken, if i have the time.

So, since I have found my true beliefs in questioning my original ones, I would like to convince you to question yours. (which it sounds like you have to a certain degree, but not on a high enough level in my opinion)

Are you asking me this question or red? Even so ill answer. And I question my beliefs every single day, evolving them into better and more senseful ideas. :)

Have you specifically looked at the bible and the christian religion only? Or have you exposed yourself to other beliefs? Have you ever thought about looking at other religions? Or possibly reading the bible from a non religious view?

I am not a fundamentalist because the bible has many things that are misinterpruted, plus has some very questionable stories and versus... for example, when noah got on land after the flood, he became extremley drunk and passed out. When his son woke him, he got angry and sold the son into slavery. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?!

I have, however, discovered the basic beliefs of many different views and religions because I know many people with multiple beliefs. I have sat down and had conversations with them about their opinions in the world and for religion. Throughout each of these beliefs I have formed my opinion that not one religion is wrong, which you may have read about above.

If your willing to question what you believe I would strongly suggest the following:

Reading the bible in a non religious way (This is something hardly anybody does.. you have to sit down, and treat it like any other book. And then look at how it was written, was the story told well? Did it get it's point across (All writing is persuasive)? Was the information consistent? Do i believe this is fiction or non fiction?)

I did that actually. This is when I realized that many of my christian beliefs were simply illlogical, although i was happy at the time so i probably should have just stuck to it... but i am still gaining much wisdom through this experience of the current views i have now. I still believe that we can communicate with God.

Read the book of the dead (Written by the ancient egyptians 2500 years or more before the events of the bible occurred. Concentrate on the story of Horus and look for similarities between Horus and Jesus)

Yeah, many religions have a certain jesus like character, and everyone thinks that that character is jesus so we say many other religions talk about jesus as well, which I think is complete BS.

Read the torah (If you read the bible, you've pretty much read the Torah, all it is, is the old testament minus a book or two... basically)

If you get a chance, touch on the Quran, and get an understanding of what Islam teaches.

I can't say I've completely done all of the things i just listed, but I have for the most part looked at the bible, torah, and book of the dead.

(I really encourage christians to read the book of the dead simply because of the incredible similarities between Horus and Jesus... it suggests plagiarism in the bible)

They probably shouldnt do that if they want to keep their christian beliefs. IF THEY TRULY BELIEVE, however, then they wont ever question their beliefs. You want to know why preachers are preachers? Cause they do not question the word of god. They are still happy and they are very nice people, nothing wrong with it at all.

So here is what I believe:

I believe that there is DEFINITELY no Jesus
I believe that there is no god (There is a chance i could change my opinion on this.. but it is highly unlikely. I do consider myself an atheist rather than an agnostic. But if i did change my opinion, i would believe in judaism, not christianity.)
I believe in evolution
And for the most part i believe in metaphysical naturalism.

Thats very nice! You do not have to burden yourself with the difficulties that come with religion. Keep believing and this nature will guide you through life on your perspective. You might try harder at something than anyone else because you dont believe god will do it for you, like many athletes believe and it gives them strength to fight, but for you you would train yourself to fight for yourself!

At 8/18/09 12:26 PM, Gagsy wrote:

At 8/18/09 12:18 PM, Shawn wrote:

Read post below that its was suppose to say

"ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? You're suppose to say me!"

Lol :P

Lol pfft I think you're just trying to pretend you weren't being mean to me now!

;_;

Hey hey what about me! :D D: :'(

At 8/22/09 01:59 AM, REDSPADES wrote: You've got a pretty good view of religion, it seems you have a really acceptable view of things to do with religion, its refreshing to see someone who isn't a bitching whingey atheist loser on the BBS.

Thanks. I still am no where near where i should be, however. I have a lot a lot alot of growing up to do. I havent even experienced college yet! I am still young and nieve and need to understand life a bit more.

I for one believe there is a god out there, but i dont think i should be sticking to concrete rules of a singular religion, and denouncing others but more accepting them.

Exactly. I tried a bit of Buddhism, now thats a nice religion.

I believe that when you die you start anew, like a dream, when you die or your heart stops you have about 12 minutes of brain activity, and the average person dreams for about 2-3 seconds, that is REM recorded sleep, but when you think about dreaming, it seems to last for hours on end. Maybe those 12 minutes are a whole other lifetime.

I know what you mean. Dreaming is a magical thing and is truly one of the coolest experience I ever have had. Onetime I dreamt what seemed almost a year... i woke up feeling very drowsy thinking i had been asleep forever. It was 10 o clock in the morning, my usual time to wake up.

I like to think of it when you're a baby who doesn't remember the first few years of living, but then you get used to it, just like when you dream, it takes you a little while before you realise you're having a dream but when you do you go along for the ride.

I have that SAME idea! My baby years flew by.. exactly like a dream! Man thats deep.

How's your brain btw? Are you alright?

Im fine thanks for asking! The tumor was benign and harmless. two plates in my skull shifted up against eachother causing a slight bump in the back of my head. I dont even need to remove it. :)

Sounds like a delicious experience. Yum yum. GAYS. :D

At 8/22/09 12:53 AM, Gortag wrote: Out of curiosity,how long did it take you to write this?

about 45 minutes, I was interested in starting this and had nothing to do. ;)

At 8/22/09 01:14 AM, pikmints wrote: Now I have a question for you, why do I feel so distant from him. I go to church, I pray often, I try to spread his word, I went to a catholic school most my life, I revere him above all else, and yet I feel that he is giving me too many burdens for me to bear. I've been suicidal for years now and I feel that way mostly because, I believe he's all powerful, can change anything in an instant, even our will and still have it be our will, and yet 90% of the events and details of my life are negative, and those that are positive aren't even worth the other 90%. He could have made me happier as well as keep me the way I am today, Why does he not want me to be happy. Is there a chance he wants me to commit suicide?

I to have been suicidal for years and very depressed. A relative question, do you take Streterra? if so I can easily explain why you feel that way. If not, it is difficult but I will try my best.

Basically you need to look at the positive side of life. Even if your life does suck, your surroundings can completely vanish if you wish to become truly close to God. When you are truly close to god, it doesnt matter if your life sucks. This power will basically create a bubble of happyness around your sad thoughts. You till will be sad from time to time, everyone is, but you will be able to "talk" to this god every night and gain strength to push on because you truly BELIEVE he is there. You dont doubt him. Faith is the right word to go for.

God does not want you to commit suicide. If nature "chooses" you as a scapegoat for the next person to die to make way for a new life, you would have been killed by nature. This is when you would come into gods arms when he meant for you to. AND EVEN IF YOU DONT, YOU WILL DIE BELIEVING YOU WILL! PURE PURE JOY!!! You will never even know if you DIDNT get into his arms, because if there is no life after death at least you would experience a last moment of such wonderful joy because you had a passionate belief in your god. I would strongly recommend talking to a preacher, he can help you become closer to god with beliefs from the bible. The cool thing is, the bible provides tons of backup evidence to help guide you. *even if it is written by man, many believe in it because it makes them happy and guides them like every religion does*

IF you believe he wants you to commit suicide.. then I have no say in the matter. I dont recommend suicide because in the end you will gain so much from life. So much wisdom. Life is a blessing, dont waste it. Some people are born into terrible conditions and life is AWFUL for them. Yet you see them, india is a prime example, start believing in a "god" and they are happier than they ever would have been without one. THEY GAIN STRENGTH. Even in Africa!! Children dying from aids is just a part of nature, it might be considered a bad thing but death is a part of LIFE. Disease occurs, because it is the cycle of life. These atoms bonded together to form viruses and such to lower the population of each organism. Every organism can get some sort of disease or infection and die. Its so a new one can be born.

If you want to go into the Jesus christ road and try to become spiritually inclined with christianity, which makes you truly happy for a period of time if you continue to believe in jesus and that god answers prayers, then I recommend talking to SpikeValentine and if you are comfortable, ask to speak with Brother Daniel. This is the cult I was speaking of. It is kind of weird at first, but damn this guy is good. Real good. Feel free to turn him down as well, he is a very nice guy and will fully understand.

Hope this helps. :)

I personally don't agree with the big bang theory. It's unlikely that there was just some explosion that made all the matter in to universe, even if it was produced in a quantum vacuum.

I dont really care for the big bang theory because honeslty we wont ever truly know what happened. No matter how it happened, it happening is still amazing.

Anything on the quantum scale should be able to achieve quantum tunneling, which is when they "jump" around. But, you're right; we don't really know if quarks actually exist or not.

Ahh quantum physics... even MORE complex. See where im getting at? Its just so beyond our comprehension!

We're pretty certain that molecules exist. Molecules are atoms bond together, either in a covalent or ionic bond. Are you sure you're certain about molecules? We're able to see atoms, so clearly we're able to see molecules.

We cant actually see atoms, there is not one picture of an actual atom in detail. We only predict what they look like based off of many scientific models, which went to one agreed by the scientific community of an atom havin electron clouds surrounding a very small nucleus. The pictures taken of what they say are atoms are no where near close enough to see the actual atoms or even molecules. A lot of scientific "facts" about microscopic things such as atoms and molecules are developed through what the scientific community agree on as the molecule structure and atomic structure.

Well, no... You see, there are an estimated 9 quintillion stars in the universe, which is:

9,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe. Within that many stars, it's totally possible that life happened through chance, or most likely, more than once.

Well yes, but you have to think from everything happening by chance from the very begginning. I dont think the begginning just randomly happened. I do believe that because of so much space in.. space, that tons of things happen just by chance. I am talking about the BEGGINNING though, not if life was created by chance on one of 9 quintillion stars.

So how were those particles of space dust created? That space dust is matter and we really dont even know if matter exsisted, we just develop theories of how it all began.

Space dust and interstellar gas are atomic particles that were ejected into space through a supernova or a hypernova. After they break free of the gravitational pull of the solar system, they just float around in space.

But how was the supernova created? e.t.c e.t.c.

Of course, there are other theories, like frozen. microorganisms coming to this planet via comets. I suggest you look into that.

I have seen those and think they are fascinating. I dont think that has to do with what I was talking about though.

It's just a possibility that could coincide with your theory, if you put some thought into it.

Well thanks a lot for the respond. I love discussing philosophy with my friends.

Friends?

... :D

OH LOL. I mean I enjoy discussing philosophy, as I do many times with my friends here at home. LOL.

At 8/21/09 03:20 PM, Oney wrote: life in the portal isnt even on the list. somethings not right there... did those faggots complain or something

HAHAH Let me tell you the story of how Sam T and I pissed of the entire clock crew with that movie...

We got an email from the clock member who made the preloader for this year demanding we take our preloader off of the piece of crap movie we called a clock day movie because it was outright offensive towards the clock crew and was not what a clock day movie was supposed to be like. Tom Fulp said we should since there would be no harm in taking it off, so we changed the pre-loader for tom.

I think it is outright hilarious that the clock crew would be offended when they post all sorts of offensive shit. Then we poke a little fun at them and.. PFTT Ah well xD

At 8/20/09 06:48 PM, tt10 wrote: where is that tutorial in as main that shows how when you press a button you can make something bigger or smaller?

I assume you are speaking of a flash tutorial... I dont know if it is in AS2 or in AS3 but it is a simple code simply increasing the _x and _y values when on(press) {

Go t the FLASH forums and ask your question there.

At 8/22/09 12:47 AM, Digital-Terror wrote: I'll admit I was getting bored with this thread until I read "spikevallentine".

Well, as logical a person as you seem to be, I have to disagree with you. Would it make more sense if the universe was driven by several distinct forces, known as physics, or by some guy, known as God?

Yes. The reason being, physics backs up my statement. The probability of Physics working correctly is still MASSIVE. Physics is even more complex than what I described about atoms! Its just crazy how it all works, and for it to be CREATED is way behyond my understanding. The big bang happening is insane to think about.

Seems mostly good so far.

You see particles that make up those particles called quarks, photons, upper quarks, tons and tons of little things so small.. there are about 100000000000 trillion of them in this period -----> . *probably much more*

Actually, it's probably no more than a few billion in that period. A trillion quarks could fit into a grain of salt, but that;s ONLY if they were side by side, compressed at the rate of a neutron star would.

A Quark can supposably go in and out of dimensions along with photons and other micro particles. It gets pretty complex with the whole String Theory. Plus, quarks are so small we dont even know if they actually exsist. *though technically we dont even know if molecules exsist, we just call all the tiny masses that make chemisrty and certain physical laws work correctly molecules.*

Just so you know, you CANNOT comprehend 1 trillion. 1,000,000,000,000 is just too much for your mind to handle.

Yes i completley agree, and there are particles that small. Thats why I think life is just so incredibly amazing. *I do believe I was exaggerating a bit when explaining quarks, but it still is a HUGE number*

....stuff stuff stuff

It could just be a massive coincidence. Like two charged particles of space dust coming together, Life could have just happened by chance.

See now THATS illogical. Thats like putting a corvett in a car crusher and it coming out without a scratch, when the car crusher was working fully functionaly and the car was crunched up and somehow uncrunched to near perfection. The probability of that happening is just like.. NO WAY.

So how were those particles of space dust created? That space dust is matter and we really dont even know if matter exsisted, we just develop theories of how it all began.

Of course, there are other theories, like frozen. microorganisms coming to this planet via comets. I suggest you look into that.

I have seen those and think they are fascinating. I dont think that has to do with what I was talking about though.

I don't have much more to say. I suggest you try to find a few people taht share your beliefs and build on your theories.

Well thanks a lot for the respond. I love discussing philosophy with my friends.