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Sorry, buddy. The modern Democratic Liberal is very marxist in their views. Obama and Clinton manke near perfect comparisons with Snowball and Napolean from Animal Farm.

Obama: socialist bastard who will take away your inheritence and pump it into welfare.

Hillary: socialist bitch who will take your children to be raised by the State.

Snowball: socialist pig who took everyone's labours on the farm and redistributed them

Napolean: socialist pig who took the dog's puppies and raised them as his own personal killers.

Rules of war? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, pal....

At 3/4/07 04:48 PM, morefngdbs wrote: WOW
You know what that's the mans problem.
Why are you attempting to shift the blame over onto the women?
DOUBLE WOW {quote from above"I just think}
problem is your not thinking
your seriously attempting to use the antics of a bunch of football jocks & the problems those assholes caused, with combat trained men & women and their jobs.
Boy oh boy your really scraping the bottom of the barrel there boss.
All you have is an opinion (that in reality is formed from the opinions you've heard from others) that opinion is pretty much Sexist.

No, I'm using the antics of professional soldiers I know. I love most of the women I am around, so yes, I probably am sexist. I believe that complete slaughter is a part of war. I do not believe that women should be exposed to things like that. Taking prisioners is all well and good, but sometimes, especially with people of the Mid-East, you just have to kill and keep killing until they are too afraid to fight. I would never require a woman to preform executions. I would require it of soldiers, though. We are fighting people of a religion built on slaughter. We must fight them on their own terms to win.

Your not going on skill level or competence, experience or ability.
Your not providing any real concrete reasons why women shouldn't be allowed to function in the military where they are best suited.

Is that concrete enough for you?

But earlier I believe you said that they were fine as long as they were in the rear some place or at a desk.
Your just a sexist bastard.
Who's attempting to hide that behind an opinion ,yours as well as your great friends.

Yay! Ad hominem! You, sir are a true orator. Also, could you please tell me what that last sentance said? I can't understand it...

At 3/4/07 10:14 AM, morefngdbs wrote: Everyone has an opinion. Hell saying you don't have an opinion is one!.

No shit, Sherlock. Somebody give this man a prize...

My opinion to make it crystal clear is this.
There are many people who are unfit to be combat soldiers. I realize that many men, women, of any race or sexual orientation are not capable of doing a very demanding & difficult job. Especially a front line combat role.
I feel that ANYONE who is capable of receiving a passing grade on the training required to perform in any job classification.
Reguardless of age ,race,gender, or sexual orientation should be allowed to serve their country , in time of conflict or war.
I'm not saying let women or anyone else serve if they are not qualified.
I'm definately not saying that the bar or level of training be lowered for anyone.
But if your a qualified company commander & your a woman , it should not matter.

That's all well and good, but what about personal elationships? Most men I know are less effective around women for a variety of reasons. If women are in combat situations, I could see groups of just females fighting together, but male soldiers too? I just think there would be problems along the lines of the Colorado University's football experiences with women.,..

Sounds fun I-have-2-arms. Next time I can cross the pond, I'll have to try it...

I saw that flaw in my logic, TheMason, and I realize it. I am just arguing my opinion here.

Of course I'll hold to my opinion. I also hold the opinion we can't fight war correctly anymore...

Also, I want to apologize for the messed up formatting in my last post.... Been a while since I was here last...

At 3/3/07 06:34 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 3/3/07 05:34 PM, fastbow wrote:

And how was your opinion complied, GI Joe? As for a life, I have one. This is just a hobby. I have a mother, a sister, and I got to a school that has a mostly female faculty and mostly female students...

;
Instead of spewing your inane B.S. at me.

Why don't you speak to all these important women in your life about how inferior you believe any women would be in a military position of authority.

Your going to be looking up at women, so far above you ,your whole damn life!
All you'll see is panties.
I will also be looking up at that sight, unlike you I will enjoy it.

I will, and they will agree with me. I pulled this topic in a debate in English class once. I know where I'm coming from...

You're very welcome..

At 3/3/07 07:07 AM, I-have-2-arms wrote: A field? Pal people in 4x4's go up steep hills and on dirt tracks that they’ve never gone on before. A flat field are you mental?

No, I'm not mental. I'm from Kansas, where apparently the only use for a jeep is to drive through somebody's winter wheat that they were barely gonna make ends meet with anyway...

At 3/3/07 05:03 PM, Grammer wrote: Pointless of helping? I'm sure there are many people who would say it's neither, and I don't think anyone who thinks the war is "pointless" knows what's really at stake in the Middle East.

You're starting to sound like a broken record. Didn't you say that in another thread?

At 3/3/07 04:44 PM, morefngdbs wrote: My oh my, how many deaths are you attributing to my use of English.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't recognize the English language due to the way you murder every other word.

No you can have an opinion, opinions are like assholes everyone has one of those.
You want to maybe back up and tell us your giving us all, the opinons of the vets & current soldiers you talk to so often!
Your so called 'informed" opinion ,it just isn't very informed, it is YOUR BELIEFS or others, that women are inferior. Not my fault your absolute failure in life as a male causes you to transfer that hatefulness of women into your rant on women in the military.

their opinions are usually the same as mine. Women don't belong in command or on the frontline. granted, most of them are Vietnam or WWII vets, but there's their opinions. The active servicemen I talk to don't really care.

As for any belief that women are inferior, I have never said this. I have said women are different, not inferior. I respect women. I haven't failed as a male. I am enjoying life as a guy. I DO NOT HATE WOMEN. I RESPECT THEM AND THEIR DIFFRENCES WHICH IS THE SOURCE OF MY DIFFERENT OPINION.

No doubt, you are obviously not at all skilled in handleing others, esp. if they disagree with you.
Their being in charge is probably at the root dislike of women in authority.

Oh wow. You equate a typed argument amongst equals to a real-world boss-employee relationship. Yes sir, you truly are the master at judging people skills. </snark>

I get along with my bosses at my work, as well as the director in the theatre program I act in. The only woman I don't get along with is a stage manager who is on a powertrip and hates all people who don't bow at her feet. Also, I never said I disliked women in authority, I said i didn't think women would be suited to military command.

But what I meant was;
Just thought you might want to hang out with those who like to philosophise about what they also personally know nothing about!
But they are more than willing to share their "opinions" on how much they know about what is unknown/unproven.

What you meant and what I thought you meant are apparently pointless facts, because you keep ignoring what I'm saying. Why can't I return the favor occasionally?

Well good for your DAD, maybe you could get him to help you express an idea on this topic useing his non experience, but his superior (to mine anyway) philisophical knowledge.
Much of religious study is definitely along the lines of philosophy.

Philosophy is not religion.

I have some personal experience.
Members of my family (you know they people that live in the same house/share the same parents ) are very experienced. A female menber of my family used to fly Hercules transport Planes for the Canadian Military.
She finished in the top 5 in her class.
That is how I know, your just blowing the hot air that usually comes out your ass, out onto the internet.

Ooh, the canadian military. Big whoop. Did she ever see combat service or order men to their certain deaths? She did a job I have previously outlined as a perfect job for women in the military. Thank you for providing an example for many of my former points.

As for blowing hot air, you are doing the same....

You are expressing your opinion that you have compiled from the opinion of others.
Go get a life , or at least some experience from the FEMALE side, of this topic.

And how was your opinion complied, GI Joe? As for a life, I have one. This is just a hobby. I have a mother, a sister, and I got to a school that has a mostly female faculty and mostly female students...

At 3/3/07 03:57 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote: No one answered my question.

The war will not end. even if it does and we aren't there, Iran will invade to finish what they started, or the new religious dictatorship will invade Israel...

At 3/3/07 03:46 PM, SevenSeize wrote: Also, I have not heard of what happened in Kansas City. I would appreciate an elaboration if you have time.

They spent hundreds of millions of dollars on massive facilities, state of the art computers and sports arenas, and the schools had to be shut down because grades completely bottomed out.

At 3/3/07 04:58 AM, Gunter45 wrote: Sure, and make sure that the poor are unable to get an education and are, thus, unable to better their position in society, especially in a society which basically requires a college degree to get any kind of decent job. I don't like the idea that Federal funding plays such a huge role in education, though, since I think that education is a community initiative. All this standardized test bullshit testifies to the incompetancy of the federal government to teach children.

Public school students have better access to colleges than private school kids. I should know. I'm attending one right now. Your logic is horribly flawed. Talk to a high school student applying for college. They'll set you straight.

Also, vouchers don't matter. If Po'boy McGee is gonna work to get good grades, he's gonna do it regardless of the school. It doesn't matter if it's Ghetto High or McSnottypants Academy...

At 3/3/07 11:08 AM, morefngdbs wrote: THe problem is 'how can you have an informed opinion' on something you do not actually have any experience with?
Have you never been in any job (thats what the military is a job) where a woman was in charge?
Formulating an opinion based on philosophy is a great way for you to join one of the many recognised religious organizations out there.
There you will meet lots of other people who don't know shit ,but they're ready to philosophize with everything they think they know. enjoy

1: If you're going to be caustic, at least leave the english language out of it. It doesn't deserve the genocide you have inflicted upon it.

2: You can have an informed opinion based on observations, whether they be firsthand or secondhand. I know plenty of vets and current soldiers, and I love talking to them. According to your logic, you should only be able to write a biography on a person if you actually knew them, and you can only comment on history you have experienced. Now that we have that out of the way, drive to the nearest university, talk to the dean, and tell him to fire the entire history department bacause they are not qualified. Any person with an education will laugh in your face.

3: My current bosses are all women.

4: I need no religion. Religion is worthless.

5: My dad is majoring in Philosophy. I'll just go sit in on his classes if I want pointless comjecture. Religion is not philosophy.

I agree with TheMason on Iran. We have been spread too thin for years though....

I don't agree that Bush will be considered a good president. He will be considered a traitor to his constituents, a massive drain on the national debt, and just generally a shady character...

I'm sorry, he's had too many scandals to be considered a good president. Maybe he won't be seen as a Johnson or a Carter, but he will at least be a Nixon, a man who hurt more than helped.

At 3/3/07 02:56 AM, ReThink wrote: I know it may seem a foreign idea to you that a person can operate without a fixed moral standard, but that is how I live. The judgements I make are based upon ethical ideals, and to make judgements I have to evaluate each situation individually. There is no standard, everything is flexible. Also I think you're using the word theology in the wrong context to describe my ideas.

I suppose if you want to break down on what I base my judgements there may be some religious influence, a great deal of philosophy, as well as sympathetic and empathetic intuitions. However I don't adhere to any structured conception or morality, ethics, or theology.

Sounds a lot like utilitarianism with some older ideas tossed in. You worship the god of self, aka humanism, because you use man's judgements as the ultimate standard.

Also, everybody has a moral standard, whether tey acknowledge it or not. Unless nothing is wrong to you, in which case you're a straight pluralist....

At 3/3/07 02:57 AM, Brownhead wrote: I actually havn't seen very much evidence that races are that dissimilar from eachother. The differences are usually somewhat minute and woulen't really come into play in wartime... as far as steretyping as being true, I'd have to say most of it is not true, everyonce in awhile they get lucky though ;)

Look at history. Stereotypes are proven in history. I'll give you a historical proof for each one provided...

The world needs more men like you. Thanks.

If I could, I'd give you a medal. As such, all i can do is dole out cookies

*hands cookie*

At 3/3/07 01:29 AM, give-it-away-now wrote: Ok, sorry I don't dislike peace, but I dont like the people who think that there can actually be perfect peace... I'm pretty sure that can't ever happen, when people have nasty thoughts in their mins.. and everyone does

Ooh! Good catch of human nature! Peace is unattainible in man's current state...

Bush? Overrated glory hound. He'll be rated with Carter and Johnson for the worst of the worst...

Bad idea. Keep private schools private. If the poor want in, they can appeal to administration...

At 3/2/07 07:16 PM, ReThink wrote:

At 3/2/07 06:16 PM, fastbow wrote: All men have some kind of god. We all worship something.

If you deny this, please admit to bowing at the altar of humanism...

I don't worship anything theological, nor do I humanism, but I cannot be assured of the existance or non-existance of a god.

Then what is the standard by which all things are measured? All religions and philosophies provide said standard. Your theology can be derived from your standards....

The race issue is completely diffrent. I think that every unit in the army should be as multiracial as possible, basically because every racial group just flat does some things better than others. That's why we have stereotypes. Africans have great physiques. Hispanics are tough. Asians don't give up. Caucasians play dirty. Native Americans have a 6th sense for the natural world.

Yes, these are stereotypes, but in consideration, many stereotypes are true. If people could use them to their advantage, then race problems wouldn't be the same.

Still, I hold the same beliefs about women's military service that I have previously stated....

I've noticed something. Some people in this thread need to lighten up and take a joke. It's political and funny. They can both be compatible, and this forum is in desprate need of some funny sometimes.

As for what's at stake, I do know. I was just making another joke. I had better know what's at stake. I'm going to Israel in a matter of days....

All men have some kind of god. We all worship something.

If you deny this, please admit to bowing at the altar of humanism...

At 3/2/07 05:52 PM, uhnoesanoob wrote:

Ugh! I cannot wait till a liberal president gets elected so you guys can bitch about how we do nothing for the world.

Nope. Then you'll bitch about high taxes and having no military spine....

Nobody will ever be happy until they're president, and then they'll bitch about having no friends and being hated...

Let me say then, I have never met a woman, military or otherwise, that I would trust with a command position, and very few I would put in a frontline position.

Just because I haven't been in the military doesn't mean I cannot formulate opinions on certain things. Maybe my philosophy on war in general is diffrent from yours. Whatever. I guess I'll leave this thread to eliteist military bastards who think just because a person CAN'T serve even if they wanted to, thay can't hold any informed opinion on war.

Switzerland Invades Liechtenstein

Even more pointless than any of Bush's wars. Just though some of you may find this amusing.