488 Forum Posts by "fastbow"
Even though this thread has been idle for a while, in the debate on censorship, we totally forgot one field, music. Should we apply these same censorship rules to music?
At 6/22/05 02:35 AM, TheMartyr18 wrote:At 6/22/05 02:31 AM, fastbow wrote: The point is moot, as it is contradicted by mankinds actual existence. Mankind exists, therefore they have success and failure, and because of S. and F., mankind validates existence? I actually change my mind, that post was totally off topic.......What is moot? I have no idea what you are saying in this post.....
I am rambling on about how he contadicts himself, then I realize he was totally off topic the whole time.
You never answered my recap........
Aye, there's the rub then! We can't teach it, but these other fields can still be taught based on the fact of existence.
The point is moot, as it is contradicted by mankinds actual existence. Mankind exists, therefore they have success and failure, and because of S. and F., mankind validates existence? I actually change my mind, that post was totally off topic.......
Let other areas educate them. We cannot teach it, therefore someone else must. They will learn, one way or another. Kids are like that. They still have the Internet and TV.
No. Our nuclear program is 40 years old, and in serious need of an update. The US is bordering on being a paper tiger......
My whole point here has been to focus on the truth. We must face the fact the world exists, not spend all this time arguing about how it got here. I will believe what I want, you can believe what you want. In the reply to my ineviteble questions on truth, nothing on the origin of the universe should be taught in schools. Man should be left to his own devices in finding the answer of his existence.
One last recap: Man's existence is his own worst enemy. Nothing can solve or even lessen the problem short of genocide. The problem, therefore, must be just accepted as part of living.
But, man's greatest ally is also himself. But, to fight his greatest enemy would still require the destruction of both parts. So to best alieve the problem, man must focus on positives, while dealing as best he can with tangible problems, cooperating as beat he can with large problems, and making the best of things with unsolveable problems, yes or no?
At 6/22/05 01:52 AM, Jerconjake wrote:At 6/22/05 01:47 AM, fastbow wrote: so long as you dont ignore our atrocities....Not at all. I'm particularily apalled by how everyone thinks Patton was some kind of hero.
I do think that Stalin was guilty most of all of atrocities, before, after and during the war. The other Allied and Axis powers were as well, but Stalin's work is a beacon of cruelty.
Ill give you that one for once. He did kinda have both sides worst points...........
Defense contracts.
Defending the Clinton Rep.
Afghanistan = front for Iraqi invasion.....
so, we have established that only truth should be taught, so therefore, if something doesn't fit into that definition you have chosen, it cannot be taught......
You think you can prove it? go ahead. Im watching........
At 6/22/05 01:52 AM, SpiffyMcPerson wrote: The benifits of existence outweigh the problems. For man to be his own greatest enemy you would have to stipulate that he is also his own greatest ally. The two are contradictory, and when combined man is more an ally of himself than an enemy.
True, so is there any way man can use his greatest ally to solve the problems posed by his own greatest enemy?
At 6/22/05 01:45 AM, SpiffyMcPerson wrote:
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I said FIRST HAND PROOF. Usually an eyewitness account, or a recording of some type. Simulations and analisys are good, but are by no means proof
so long as you dont ignore our atrocities....
The US interference is based one one thing
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At 6/22/05 01:33 AM, TheMartyr18 wrote: Yes, that is the easiest way to cope... But it goes against the inquisitive, curious nature of mankind.... Well is goes against the nature of many men... Some people do just accept things blindly..
We have finally reached the intellectual end of this debate. All that is left here is for people to read and learn. This thread can die peacefully now....
At 6/22/05 01:37 AM, AreoMancer wrote:At 6/22/05 12:55 AM, fastbow wrote: Israel, based on biblical prophecy, military power, and strength of allies.Most of Israel's military power was given to them by the US, well i can disagree about the strength of allies
Yes. I will agree, but Israel is no slouch militarily. How many times have they been invaded? Who produces the UZI? Who is the smallest Nuclear Nation?
Again with Stalin's callous use of troops. Dont forget D-Day, the RAF, the USMC, the Pacific Fleet, and Gen. Patton......
At 6/22/05 01:28 AM, TheMartyr18 wrote:At 6/22/05 01:25 AM, fastbow wrote:........ What is truth?I agreed with what that one person said earlier... Mention all the theroies... But teach the most logically sound one..
You're avoiding the question. What is truth?
At 6/22/05 01:28 AM, SpiffyMcPerson wrote:At 6/22/05 12:34 AM, fastbow wrote: Nobody was there, etc.You still fail to give proof for creationism. Evolution with proof > Creationism without.
I have acknowledged my lack of proof. You have large scale, first hand evolution proof? Show me!
THAT WASN'T THE POINT EITHER! THE POINT WAS DEGRADING STALIN BECAUSE HE WAS ABUSIVE TOWARD HIS OWN MILITARY!!!!!
Holy crap...
I was just comparing Stalin's tactics to our own.
Sorry for the caps lock, I was kinda aggravated. We just aren't quite on the same page.
Never should have used a holocaust comparison.....
All right then, let's recap: man's greatest enemy is his own existence, which cannot be solved except via genocide, and cannot be restrained in any way. We are forced to live with this problem, and we can cope easiest by blind acceptance, yes or no?
At 6/22/05 01:22 AM, TheMartyr18 wrote:At 6/22/05 12:50 AM, fastbow wrote:Define your terms, my freind. Like I said, history is hard to compare with science. Historical terms can be vauge. I conqured Persia last night, but Persia is what I call a small corner in my closet. We accept alexander's conquest because it is confirmed in more than one eyewitness account.You make a point... History and science shold not be compared... So i have given a bad example... But truthfully I am talking about the history of all living things....
Which brings us back to the original point I wanted to make. What should we teach? We have agreed to only teach truth, yet we have still not adequately defined terms. What is truth?
At 6/22/05 01:15 AM, FAB0L0US wrote:At 6/22/05 01:12 AM, fastbow wrote: You can honestly say there were no alternatives to the hundreds of thousands of Allied combat losses? No way to reduce the numbers? No better tactics?There probably were ways. But do I know of any for all the situations you highlighted at the time thye happened? Not really.
I mean, do you know any?
No, I don't but that wasn't the point. The point was we did the same things as the Axis powers, but only in diffrent ways, and we get praised because of what we did...
So just a don't worry, be happy philosophy?
Im sorry. I guess it's too much to ask for some accoutability and integrity in authority?
At 6/22/05 01:07 AM, FAB0L0US wrote:At 6/22/05 01:05 AM, fastbow wrote: That was the Allies holocaust...Actually thats called war. You seem to have death camps and battles mixed up.
You can honestly say there were no alternatives to the hundreds of thousands of Allied combat losses? No way to reduce the numbers? No better tactics?
oh well. So we just need to completely cope, because there is no solution or dapener that can be applied?
I know we need them, but if they support free speech and abuse power for personal reasons, shouldn't they be held accountable for their hypocracy?
RAF losses during the blitz were propotinally higher than any air force has ever suffered. Stalin killed thousands of his men in the battle of stalingrad. The USMC killed tens of thousands of DRAFTED soldiers just for small Pacific islands. General Patton had a similar disregard for his own forces well-being, as long as objectives were completed. D-Day was the costliest invasion ever seen, and our Pacific air tactics were to send 30 dive bombers after ships they didn't have locations on, sometimes with fighters, to sink ships bristling with AA guns and fighter cover.
That was the Allies holocaust...
