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At 10/9/06 04:33 PM, Proteas wrote: The fuck....

I hate AM and PM.

Lmao, that was a good laugh. It's cool though because the discussion on "N. Korea tests nuclear weapon" is hotter than the one you locked so you could say you just directed the traffic to a similar conversation which had more activity. ;)

At 10/9/06 04:44 PM, TheMason wrote: So what I was saying was the war in Iraq had other implications other than the GWOT (Global War On Terror). However, I'm not making an argument that the Iraq war is not justified.

I am, because it was based on false information they had WMD's when they did not. Then there was N. Korea waving enriched uranium rods in our face and we did nothing about it... that is until now >.>'

We're really between a rock and a hard-place as The Mason's been saying. If war is waged on N. Korea it is likely we will have a draft. Troops are already exhausted from Afghanistan and Iraq, so how many of you are willing to go if you get a draft card in the mail?

At 10/9/06 02:26 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: And Barbara Boxer is a stupid bitch. Fienstein isnt so bad but Boxer. She sucks.

Good lord man why are you so hateful? Care to provide any evidence as to why you say Boxer is such?

Mucho paranoid? Nice spanglish. :P you locked a topic which existed before the topic you directed the people to: ah well you're the moderator. http://www.newground../topic.php?id=584228

An interesting paradox:
Tell me if I'm wrong but, true moderate liberals are those who believe the government is responsible for protecting people and giving them a safety net. Government should regulate and be partially integrated into businesses, healthcare, education etc...

True moderate conservatives are those who believe government should protect the people, but only go as far as it is needed. Government doesn't need to take place in everything and should in-fact stay as far away as possible so that people are as free as possible.

Extremist liberals are those who believe government is an evil entity which should completely stay away from people (at least when it comes to this administration). The less government interacts with the citizens, the better. Politicians are to be elcted and do their job and that is it.

Neo-conservatives are those whom believe government should be completely integrated into every facet of our lives and should regulate the shite out of everything, even nations outside of its jurisdiction.

Now is it just me or did the extreme sides swap. Aren't liberal extremists like the regular conservatives, except more-extreme, and aren't the neo-conservatives in a sense like the moderate liberals except more extreme? What happened here, we have an inverse duality?!

Holy crap, Elfer and Begoner are even further left than me :o I kinda figured the bold patriotic Mason and Fabulous wold place right of the Y axis, thankfully they don't place above the X so they're economists who care or in other words: true conservatives, not neo-cons.

If the rest of the world, especially N. Korea's surounding nations (S. Korea, Japan and especially the biggest: China) put their foot down, the nation would probably be intimidated and have no choice but to submit or be put in its place. Really at this point Kim Jong is just coming off as a kid with a new toy trying to impress the older kids or a newb in an online tourney talking smack, he needs to recognize what he's up against and he better start caring. But before all that can happen all the nations, China especially need to let him know who's boss.

Rights are primordial and tied to the hedonic principle. This is my belief, at least for now. God or no God all living animals exhibit the hedonic principle, all animals pursue happiness in the form of procreation or food. To say rights are not inherent and primordial makes them subject to change at will, and that would make sad pandas out of all of us :(

If God just is and the Big Bang just was then... how could one disprove the other? They kind of seem to go hand-in-hand in my opinion. I don't understand why people who support evolution don't support the observation that maybe God kick-started the whole process of existance nor why people who believe God created it all have trouble believing the universe and living beings have an evolution which followed after creation.

But anyway... has anyone ever thought of eternity? Would you ever want to do something for ever, with no end... then what if you ran out of things to do? I hate thinking about eternity, it scares the begeezuz out of me, but then if I think about an end, it scares me as well! Is there no in-between this time?! :'(

At 10/9/06 06:03 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Why? Because Clinton was stupid enough to believe that you can reason with and deal with psychotic dicators like Kim Jung il. People thought that allowing the North Koreas to possess independent nuclear technology would cause them to forget about developing nuclear weapons and as we know this didn't work. Appealing to the dictator doesn't help, it only termporary causes the dictator to pretend like hes backind down, when hes really just secretely conintuing all along.

You say all dictators do this? I half-believe you. But I'll fully believe you when you provide some evidence of it not using N. Korea.

You think that fighting North korea would be a popular war? Thats funny, considering the idea of invading Afghanistan was popular 5 years ago, and now even though it isn't Iraq, people are still claiming that going into Afghanistan was unjustified. Even if the world community was behind the US in going to war with north Korea, our allies would eventually stab us in the back like they always do and write it off as an act of imperialism for their history books 5 years from now.

Our allies always stab us in the back? You're beginning to sound like a paranoid patriot who would prefer this nation be isolated from all others.

I think its time to give them an ultimatum and get everyone in the world onboard including the 2-faced Chinese!

Pretty much everyone is already onboard. The major powers of the world all reacted negatively...

The ONLY country with the balls to do anything is the US, but there are many obsticles that still remain and even though I wish this wasn't true, we cannot just simply go to war with the current conditions

Weren't Americans wondering a few years ago: "why are we invading Iraq, shouldn't we be more-worried about Afghanistan and settling N. Korea?" Indeed the U.S. did have the balls, to go pick on the little guy and ignore the one who's got a tiny amount of nuclear muscle. Don't tell me Iraq isn't the little guy, please. If they weren't the little guy, they would have had WMD's, and to tell me they did or that we have some justified reason for being there is just bogus. I'm not saying you're gonna tell me this, I'm just covering my ass before it happens, in case it does.

I think we NEED to do something militarily if North Korea doesn't disarm. They are a completely rogue nation that is guilty of countless other crimes. But we have to be more cautious this time. It certainly wouldn't be a popular war because nothing the US ever does is popular no matter what.

Agreed, but after Iraq, it might be more-difficult for the U.S. to get support from other nations, even from its own troops. Some troops have been stationed out in Iraq for years, others in the demilitarized zone between N. and S. Korea, and others in Afghanistan. Honestly it seems like the world's growing kinda exhausted from war.

Ah shit man sorry to triple-post. I found the trailer and a bit of the wheelchair scene is in there. As the wheelchair turned, the door behind me was slightly ajar and it creaked and moved about an inch and my heart rate must have shot up to double what it was. Hell man that's a genuinely-nice horror flick, gotta get it. Thanks Fli :)

Oh before I forget, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFH2azu1iLk

I think Rammstein kinda sucks, and Swedish Death Metal rocks...

But anyway, do you have any evidence of Greenpeace's spendthrift management? If they're really blowing more than 90% donations on other stuff (charities are required to give at least 10% of their funds to the cause by government law in the U.S.) that should be in violation of some sort of business ethics law. Hell it's probably even a form of false advertising. But anyway, I'm glad you said it was the Netherlands chapter specifically and didn't try to blame the organization as a whole.

That's right Fli. It seems Schwarzenegger and Bush like to think on the short-term. Schwarzenegger signs the environmental policies when re-election is upon him. Bush wouldn't stay out of Iraq because he hadn't thought in the long term of how much of a mess it would become. Now that it's a mess and his last term is almost up, he's looking to clean it up or else he might be remembered for starting another Vietnam. He couldn't foresee there would be resistance, especially in a culture opposite to ours?

Anyway. McCain is one of the few republicans I know and like. He and our two California senators (Feinstein and Boxer) seem to be more concerned about things in the long-run, such as education: fix it now before it becomes a problem when the children grow up.

Damnit I tried to YouTube The Changeling and all I found was anime and The Doors music video :(

Event Horizon scared the crap out of me when I was 15 beucase of the scene where one of the guys comes back from hell and he managed to record what was happening there. I was a good christian for at least a month :S I refuse to see that scene again. I also refuse to see the girl in Silent Hill getting barbecued. I can't sleep in peace at night because it keeps re-playing through my head.

The site didn't place any famous people in your quadrant so I've no idea who you're like. But that is a pretty unique quadrant to be in.

Holy shit that's recent. That's it I'm moving to New Zealand with the sheep.

At 10/9/06 05:00 AM, Specusci wrote:

Ah good I'm glad they updated the test. Thank you for updating me.

At 10/9/06 04:56 AM, fli wrote: Go watch it.
It's okay enough to pay 8 bucks.

I did, t'was an alright film. I'm not much of a horror flick guy anyway. I prefer comedy maybe because I try to be optimistic and since my g/f tends to be pessimistic she happens to love horror films. But anyway the movie had its moments. There's and air of coolness watching Leatherface run with the chainsaw or the look on his eyes when he gets his first victim with the chainsaw, pretty neat.

A lot of horror movies though just don't do it for me. Sure they might be shocking and gruesome but... is it just me or is the plot really corny? I think Saw: corny, Chucky: corny, House of Wax: corny, Pulse: corny, Silent Hill: proper, Anaconda: corny, Freddy Kreuger: comical, Evil Dead: corny, It: so-so, Texas Chainsaw Massacre: so-so and the list goes on...

Does anyone else think many (if not most) horror movies are corny? Do recent movies try more for the gore and shock approach than for genuine fear?

Oh yes another thing, a bit much sex appeal in TCM:The Beginning don't you agree Fli? Was sex appeal even necessary? I'm here to get scared not turned on!

The IQ test has been taking a lot of heat recently and might not be as good a predictor of intelligence as was once believed. This is mainly because the exam asks questions relating to logic and critical thinking. The exam can't do something like tell you what your weak spots and your strengths are. If the IQ really could say you were a genius all you would need to get a job was a certificate of your IQ exam and that'd be the interview. I got 133 btw, so I feel kind of semi-smart :/

Ah well if Bush is involved things could be different. His whole legacy as a president relies on how well the situation in Iraq goes. If things turn sour and troops end up leaving the country in shambles, I could picture Bush in contention with Nixon as one of the worst. If he can at least clean up the mess he made he'll get a nice library dedicated in his name... which hopefully won't be vandalized by extremist liberals :P But on a serious note his memory hangs in the balance, which is all that will be left after he dies, so he might want to be extra careful with this one.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Visit the site, read about, take the test on the left column and post your results if you desire, you just might be surprised to see you have something in common with some users, or totally opposite of others.

Here's mine:
Economic left/right: -5.13
Social Liberal/Authoritarian: -2.92

Those better be some long ass painful-to=look-at timetables because you can't just invade a place and suddently decide to leave it in disarray... or they could just pull out and leave the place in disarray :o

I'm only joking but hey when you considered they didn't give a shit about what people said when they invaded, why would they give a shit about what people say when they pull out?

Congrats on your 3000th post Grotesk.

Anyone else seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning yet?

At 10/8/06 10:34 PM, Pro-American wrote: It will never run out. It's organic.

Dude it's a fossil fuel and how many fossils do you think there are left?

Yes it's cool for corporations to make money and profit and all but shouldn't you be a little more concerned about the harm this does to the economy, small businesses and transportation industry rather than the harm it does to some multi-billionaire fat men? It's "chump change" for them. You've got oil companies making circa $24 billion in quarterly profits alone, I know they can afford to give it back rather than let the shareholders get it all. True the shareholders do have equity but there's something morally wrong about being a parasite or a mizer. This is simply the karma truck hitting the shareholders.

C'mon now Penguin. Jesus is the son, God is the father, then there's the holy spirit. Any more than that though, I don't know.

At 10/6/06 06:16 PM, Grammer wrote: http://www.washtimes..330-120655-9785r.htm


Thank God for waterboarding.

Hm the library tower is right across the street from work :/ spooky.

At 10/9/06 02:16 AM, Nylo wrote: Jefferson believed we were given divine rights from our Creator, that the Creator watched over the universe and the country, and that it was up to us as nature's most gifted animal to use our logic and reason to come to understand, establish, and protect a better world.

It beats arguing I'll tell you that much :/