At 12/10/09 03:33 PM, escudo0 wrote:

I actually prefer to self-learn rather than have someone else training me but I feel like my styles are easier to self teach than TKD. I like not having a master because in classes alot of the time they blanket teach. Teach everyone the same moves, but being 6'4 I can pull off thngs that other people cant with my long legs. For instance I can cut about 3 steps out of

Self training is a no go to be completely honest. Anybody can look in a book and see hey I put my hand here and there, I step this way and thats it. A teacher though can look at it and immediately show you any flaws in even the perfection of a technique.

There are no short cuts in martial arts, none. You might think you can cut out three steps but you can't no matter how much you say you can. There is a reason those steps are there, because those steps probably enhance your speed, strength, control, something but those steps are there for a reason. And the downfall of no teacher is you will not know why those are there. Hell you won't even know when you do something wrong cause when you look at yourself do it you think that you are right. I mean we don't smell our own odors unless its really fowl.

I have a few problems myself with wanting to start a school just yet.

First and foremost, I don't think I'm good enough yet. I mean yes I can teach but when you own a school I think a certain level is expected of you and I don't think I'm quite there yet.

Second school. TKD may be my dream and to own a school is my ultimate goal but I still need to go to school. Shit can happen at anytime and alter everything and if I get my bachelors at least I can face those with a bit more confidence. Also being a business major it doesn't hurt to know the ins and outs of that shit.

Third I want the title Master. True the title master doesn't mean shit to me, I have beaten several "Masters" in sparring matches and seen several "masters" suck at nearly every aspect of martial arts but to an unaware person the title Master means "hey that guy must be good" and I don't plan to be one of those people who just give themselves the title.

I will give you a brief insight on what it was like to teach at my TKD school.

At first I absolutely loved it(except for the pay, but hell I was 15 what did I need). I did more than my fair share of the work and got absolutely no credit from my boss for what I did. The students respected me, the parents as well, I had my own method of teaching which I felt was the most effective out of my friends that I worked with. But one day it started to change.

My school had many little promotions, which is fine for a business as long as it kept the schools integrity intact. They put stupid poster of "It's MY BIRTHDAY" with a little girl on it with her hands in the air to promote doing bday parties there, pictures of "Improve yourself image" with a lady looking into a mirror but the lady in the mirror is in a uniform, a tiger suit called master tiger that an instructor would get stuck wearing at open houses and demonstrations. The worst of it that really showed the decline of my schools quality which is called " The force of five masters."(Picture of them at bottom of page) This was a korean-anime that they tried to sell my school to promote our school. Apparently my ability to teach wasn't as good of a selling point as a fucking cartoon. This was going on for about a month and a sales person came in to sell it to the instructors.

He came in and showed up a trailer for this stupid fucking series and show us the uniforms he wanted us to wear. They where sleveless, square neck as opposed to a crossover or V-neck, micheal jackson glove, in one of five colors, and had an animal logo on it to depict the style of Tae Kwon Do they did. If you know anything about Tae Kwon Do there are no animal styles in it. Its not fucking Kung Fu. Not dissing Kung Fu but just making the point. He said he wanted us to wear it while we teached and did demonstrations. I asked him if we had to wear the Micheal Jackson gloves and wigs with them to. Best moment ever. He had no idea what to say, and everyone, my friends, my boss, where dead quite. We heard nothing for a month until they snuck it in by canceling a class and having a projector on the mat with the trailer for the series playing. A new low.

Things only got worse from there if you believe it. Eventually taking of belts as a punishment was forbidden unless you are a master instructor, couldn't do pushups as a punishment anymore, techniques where stopped being taught for being "to hard to teach to student". IE Roundhouse kick was no longer taught to white belts because of the pivoting of your foot was apparently to difficult for us to teach. SO white belts only did front snap kick and axe kick. The people that enacted this rule never taught anymore so I wondered why it was hard for them to teach. My boss never taught the instructors anything so we either depended on ourselves to improve and when we apparently did it wrong(which I know we didn't).

I would fight for the better way to do things. I felt the quality of the classes falling and did my best to stop it from getting worse. I got a lot of shit from it from my boss and it got to the point I said fuck you I quit. No two weeks, he severely disrepected me to the point I wouldn't sit there and just take that. Plus I needed to focuse more on school as TKD consumed my life but that wasn't a driving force.

Did I love teacing, absolutely. Do I hate my old boss, no but at the same time my life goal now is to make him realize what a piece of shit martial artist he is. I saw a great school turn into a McDojo and it is only getting worse there. Good times.

Ya same here Lundi. I've been busy as hell with school so it is definitely harder to train. Plus I quit my dojan(assholes wanted me to start paying after going there for 10 years and teaching for 4, plus they never taught me anything anymore) so its all been about 3 to 4 hours a week when I get the time. I go to the gym everyday though to condition myself though so all in all I get about 10 hours of the week to training. But thats really if I get the time which with demands of school, work, and a social life it is hard. Meh shit sucks like that ya know. Plus I'm still trying to find a new MA school and since most of them are TKD schools that are complete sell outs in my area its tough.

At 12/7/09 06:56 PM, BigLundi wrote:

Usually when you show no aggressiveness, there's no reason to allow others to be pulled into a useless fight. Also, what's THAT supposed to mena you're surprised I'm still alive? :P.

You wheren't postin so I figured the only reasonable thing was that you where dead. J/k

At 12/7/09 06:03 PM, BigLundi wrote: Guys being jerks.

One must always keep in mind that a major part of martial arts is self discipline...there's no use in getting all riled up when a bunch of idiots decide to give you a hard time.

What up lundi surprised your still alive. I do find your story a bit funny but at the same time no real humor in it. People are assholes and you got to deal with it at times. Luckily it didn't escalate into anything to bad but atleast they might have learned a lesson that those "silly" movements can mess someone up quite bad.

At 12/6/09 10:06 PM, Gewglz wrote: I've been thinkin' about starting Ninjitsu, it looks really cool.

What exactly do you think Ninjitsu is. Hopefully you don't think it is like Naruto cause if you do, I hate to break this to you but you can't clone yourself and turn into monsters..... If only.

But I mean ya if you are interested good luck finding an actual school. I don't know of any schools anywhere that teach it in the tristate area around me. But who knows you could get lucky.

As I read TheFaces post I didn't look at who wrote it. I wondered who would be willing to write a post that long and then I was like it's TheFaces. Welcome buddy.

Anyways the one thing I would comment on is when reaper talked about a strker vs. striker fight being like a knife fight where both get cut up. I say this is about half the time true. Half the time it gets to be so one sided where the other just completely dominates the match while the other half of the time both are beaten pretty bad till one gets the upper hand through luck or skill. But that only happens when the two fighters are about equal in fighting ability.

3 vs. 1 is never good not even for a striker but a striker would have less of a handicap than a grappler for sure. Grappling in a more practical application is used for defense as opposed to offense though and in a MMA fight is used more to get an unaware opponent to tap out. But then again I've always believed in being well rounded as opposed to just a simple style.

And to griffin. How do you fight a lion in mid pounce when you are sorrounded by 3 walls on the other sides of you.

I personally find kicking great, for a few reasons. One my primary style Tae Kwon Do, his highly reliant on kicking. I've been doing it for a long time so I'm naturally very comfortable with it. I kick hard, fast, high, low, if you can do the kick that way, I can probably do it. I know how to time my kicks for counters, I know how to pick the kick I should do for the counter, I know how to initiate the kicks for attacking, I know how to change momentum when I'm kicking, it's a matter of knowing how to do it. But then again I've been doing it for a looooooong time so i wouldn't suggest everyone try to do it.

I hate to bring up an isue of practicality but a sword isn't going to be with you at all times therefor in that sense kicking would be a more reasonable counter. But then again if you did have a sword or something it's going to trump most anything with the exception of a gun.

It is snowing here and virginia and it ain't stopping.

At 12/5/09 12:14 PM, milinko959 wrote: I remember watching a documentary type show on porn, and one mother/father pair watched their daughters porn as if they were watching a regular movie. Like how a normal actress's parents would watch a film.

That is just awful.... Just no....

At 12/5/09 08:41 AM, ArmouredGRIFFON wrote: Oh and dancers piss me off (they should be kicked in the shins), but there is no reason why I can't get my arm around them and spring them or whatever. It's kind of useless if the opponent knows what he's doing; again aware of the circumstances of so called 'dancing' and being ready for it'.

If your opponent knows you grapple and that's it, it probably makes it really hard for you. IF they just pull back quick enough it makes most of your attacks meaningless. IT pays to be rounded.

Grapples are nearly ENTIRELY defensive. Reaper you make it sound like grapples are offensive, which in nearly every case they are not.

Ya that is true, I mean you initiate with a mere hold but grappling is solely defensive.

This is all based on experience, and I will be happy to answer any sensible questions. That means; no tigers, razorblades, or dinosaurs.

So what about lions?

At 12/5/09 02:11 AM, Reaper93 wrote:

At 12/4/09 12:24 PM, dsmking wrote: Your joke sucked, deal with it.

You are a real ass, you know that? I wasn't even making a joke, it was a witticism at best. I expect at least some level of professionalism out of you people but apparently my standards are too high.

Professionalism on the interweb hilarious. Fucking stop crying. Its over and done with. You want me to get down on my knees and beg for your forgiveness. No? Then really just drop it.

And I wasn't disagreeing with you though I do see how you could possibly take it that way. I was merely replying to the part about how strikers had a harder time dealing with grapplers when they first came on to the scene in competitive fighting.

"Well you know you don't really have to know how to "out dance them" or anything in order to beat a grappler."

This is the exact opposite of what I was talking about, which was that when facing a distance striker you can out strike and dodge them, or you can attempt to grapple them. Out dancing a grappler is the polar opposite of what I was suggesting, which was that grappling can beat a dancer and has historically done just that.

Kid we are talking in circles. You said something about how when grappling came into the scene strikers had a harder time and I put in my two cents on it. That's it. But because it wasn't exactly what you where talking about you start crying. Just shut the fuck up. I won't dignify you with another response on this. It's f'n stupid.

Besides which, if his opponent is weaker than he is, he is favored in the bind of grappling where your personal abilities are much more relevant such as strength and balance.

Er, wha? Ellaborate.

As far as what we "nerds" think of for kung fu movies go can't say I know too many. Never was into kung fu movies. Go three ninjas :p.

Your joke sucked, deal with it.

And I wasn't disagreeing with you though I do see how you could possibly take it that way. I was merely replying to the part about how strikers had a harder time dealing with grapplers when they first came on to the scene in competitive fighting.

Normally when you are the taller and bigger fighter I higher distance between you and your opponent is beneficial to you and the opposite is more beneficial to him. You can hit him at a farther distance while he can strike easier at a closer distance. However a confliction with your amateur styles is the problem.

Your best bet with someone like this is to catch him. If you move in he will just simply step back. Try to leave him an opening and let him get the hit. Don't try to block or anything but as soon as makes contact grab his striking limb. You can also step to close in to him as he strikes to throw him off balance and while he is trying to regain himself move in for the attack. These are pretty basic concepts and easily applied even by amateurs. Your problem though seems to be a lack of experience, speed, power, and proper technique. Not trying to insult you but you need proper training.

At 12/3/09 06:48 PM, Malachy wrote:

M-bot is in the room with me...

Well then you have the best chance of saving us all from his tyranny.

At 12/2/09 11:13 PM, Reaper93 wrote: Hm, he's a dancer, eh?

The key for that is to make sure to commit to attacks, preferably some kind of grappling, stifling attack. Historically in sport fighting when aggressive grappling styles (brazilian jiu jitsu I think was among them) came onto the scene, the previously punch-oriented styles had a very hard time coping because they were very much about hitting and dodging. Once they started getting tied up they weren't really sure what they were doing once the ability to dodge was taken out of the equation.

So, historically, that's more or less what the suggested counter for that is. You can either try to out-dance him or try to grab him, basically.

As for Ringen as a component of my martial arts training being like Judo, I guess it kind of is. Really the thing is that a lot of martial arts have, over time, developed sort of into sports (like Judo, or Kendo, or really just about anything that ends in -o I'm told), but since this style of combatatives hasn't been around for many centuries, it is exactly as it was the last day somebody used it for real on a battlefield or in a trial by combat. This makes it a martial art with a real emphasis on the martial, which presents its own unique problems with training (after all, practicing a throat punch or a groin kick is very dangerous).

As for now, though, I'm mostly emphasizing the sword over the wrestling. The masters said all things come from wrestling, but frankly the sword is cooler and I don't have time to train two "weapons" at a time right now :p

Well you know you don't really have to know how to "out dance them" or anything in order to beat a grappler. If you have been doing MA for a while you know very well all the possible angles for your body to move, you know what can hurt and what doesn't, you get a certain feel for things. Me personally I am no good at grappling. I practice it, i know it, but it is definitely not my fortay. I know though that if I hit someone in that spot or if I move my body this way to get out of it, that I will get out. Just because I'm in a hold doesn't mean I can't hit, and just because they are going for my arm doesn't mean I can't flip myself over, hell I can kick a guy in the face while I'm in an arm bar.

And your two weapons joke sucked....

I don't know if you guys are serious with this flash KO stuff or what. It baffles the mind a bit....... Anyways sine someone actually posted in here I'll say welcome to the NGMAC. Been a member since this little thing started and I kind of was just letting the club die but somebody decided to post in it.

Lemme establish some basic ground rules for this club since it'll take you a while to find the actual structure of the club.

1)No flame wars. I have seen several flame wars in this club, hell i was part of the best one we ever had, but try to remain respectful to others in the club. That means no bashing other styles, no saying thats not a martial art( unless it is an actual debate), no making fun of newbies and stuff.

2) Be honest. If you are new to martial arts, that is fine we all where at a certain point. If you don't actually do a martial art don't say you do, you can still partake in discussions but don't say well from my experience. You don't have any experience if you don't take a martial art so shut up.

3) Follow NG BBS rules. No double posting, no racist or insensitive remarks, yaddy yadda yadda. You should no them. I will just have them ban you or close down the club. It is a dying five year old club that gets spammed, wont be hard to close.

4) If you are trying to make a point, use proper grammar, periods, capital letters, hell just type nicely. people wont reed post like this because it dont look good and stuff. Seriously, hurts my eyes.

5) Have fun.

Me personally as far as my martial arts resume goes, I have over 10 years of TKD, about 6 months Brazilian ju-jujitsu, 4 years of cali, proficiency in several weapons from knives, nunchucku, bo staffs, short sticks. I taught TKD for about 4 years but do not currently teach for various reasons which would take all day to type out. I know some basic kempo karate and hapkido. Hapkido im pretty efficient in while the karate its what my friend has showed me. Still I love it.

I plan one day to open my own martial arts school as well as start up a martial arts charity that teaches martial arts to children in orphanages and places like that because I think it is not only a great exercise but it will also give them something they can have that I did too. But that's way down the road. What about you honkeys. P.S. I'm white.

After ten years of waiting for this movie I finally saw it last night. I remember 6 years ago hearing about the sequel being pushed back again, and again, and again. It was a truely unreal moment when I bought my ticket to go see it, like am I really about to see this.

It is definitely one of those movies critics hate but if you liked boondock saints you will not be disappointed. The brothers are amazing in this one as they where in the last, kind of just winging it as they charge in a building with 10 strongly armed mobsters who just want to kill them. The cops where kind of dumbed down a bit which was dissapointing because even though they wheren't as smart as Dafoe's character in the first one they where by no means incompetent. If you liked dafoe in the first one, sorry, he's not in this one.

But i digress, if you like boondock saints go see this movie. If it is not in your area yet it will be december 4th. At first it had a very small release in only a few states, then it got a wider release which included my area of Northern Va. and then it will be a bigger release on the 4th. But go see this movie.

As long as video games have existed, trash talking has as well. It is like that evil conjoined twin that does everything to bastardize anyone that isn't part of your family. As of last night I have separated from that twin.

I don't know what was different but last night I destroyed someone. It was like an unholy bastardization of the words of the English language tied together with malicious intent and disregard for human decency. It started like normal. I picked some random person in the pregame lobby and said a stupid joke about them, nothing to actually offend but enough to get that overly sensitive persons attention. The kid took the bait so I proceeded to ruin him.

However even I was unprepared for how bad it got. This kid was trying to take it but he couldn't and i just kept it up. It got bad. I think I nearly made him cry. I could tell it in his voice. For the first time ever I felt bad for trash talking. I apologized to the kid. I couldn't handle being that much of an a-hole. It was such a bad beating it demotivated me from ever wanting to trash talk again. I just can't do it anymore.

Nintendo doesn't really get along with Miyamotto anymore it seems. Funny considering he is the reason they are still alive and how his games are nintendos biggest. Why couldn't he come out with a sword and shield like he did in the past.

Screw you nintendo. I loved you up until the wii and you just continually break my heart with year after year of crappy conferences. Way to ruin my 21st birthday.

Today I turned 21. My entire life I have never drank anything. Not a sip. Well at midnight I turned 21 and so I was kind of forced into actually having a drink. My first drink ever, Jose Quervo.

Now I know a lot of people can't stand Tequilla and get killed by drinking a little bit. I honestly felt nothing. I have no idea why. I also tried a few other drinks and beer but I couldn't drink it, tasted like crap. Surprised I drank the Jose. I feel a bit disapointed, didn't even get a buzz.

Oh I am 6' 1" 150 lbs so its not like I'm obese or anything.

Well Nole looks like it is us again..... Sorry I got tired of a lil immature child a few months back and said F' it.

So I turn 21 tommorow(which will be Tuesday) and I'm kinda having a hard time sleeping. I think I am honestly just bored with sleeping at this point of my life. Well as I lay there I'm thinking about everything and how well I've kind of been afraid of everything in my life. Not so much like I back away from things when stuff got bad but more like I am afraid of that first step.

I have not gotten in a fight since the sixth grade which is something that I have been proud of. I was always picked on in middle school and even part of high school. I never did anything to anyone to provoke them so I thought of myself as a victim of circumstance and that I didn't deserve it. In a sense I didn't but I never did anything to stop it. I sat there and took it because I felt that responding to provocation would do nothing but make things worse. I didn't realize this all until now.

Then one of my favorite subjects to think about, Tae Kwon Do. The last few months have been hard. I stopped trainging at my Do jang and I would try to practice and I would work out but it didn't feel right. I felt like my goals and dreams where deteriarating every day. I never once felt so low and without a drive and goal. It affected everything in my life, my relationship with my family, friends, school and I've never felt so low.

And then I realized something about an hour ago my goals and dreams with martial arts has nothing to do with the school I go to. If I practice I will get better but I'm not having my peace. I gotta tell someone to fuck off and I don't need them. For you guys reading this, this is probably just me crying or what not but this is me going nuts.

So here is the proposal for a discussion on philosophy on martial arts. The ability of pacifism to prevention and the aggression for defense where is the proper line and is there a proper line. If I defend myself will I only create more problems, will being pacifistic hurt me more.

For all you little futurama nerds out there Into the Wild Green Yonder will most likely NOT be the last of the series. Due to the fact that the DVD's sold so well futurama might be picked up for another season by fox. But hopefully not fox. They suck and will ruin futurama again.

At 3/4/09 09:45 PM, Murcielago1 wrote: I am taking Taekwondo and I have a green belt. I am ready for the blue belt.

Cool. How long have you been doing TKD. I myself am a third dan and cumulatively have been doing it for more than half my life.

You damn kids and bringing up livecorpse. Awful.

I know you all remember when Link's Quest for ass 2 came out. Thing was on the front page for like a year. Those where the days. Artist did a flash completely for the hell of it without thinking about how I can get money off of it. The NG army was running a muck and got locked for its sheer absolute stupidity and mass voting.

No way an actual discussion in this club. *jaw drop*

Relax fighting isn't necessarily different from agressive fighting. Like Lundi said he has seen many people in a tournament who go out there and charge the shit out of the other person and just flat out dominate them. I've seen it many times to, in fact I spar like that most of the time and for a style like Tae kwon Do I believe it to be the better way to spar. I know it is viewed mainly as a defensive art and it is but what sets TKD different from other defensive styles like Judo and such is that it is a striking art and in turn you need to strike. If you are constantly moving at fast speeds in a match/fight, what have you, your reflexes will most likely be faster as well. And for anyone here who knows anything about TKD the most golden attack you have is a back kick and if you sit there and wait to do it, the other person knows what you are going for and in turn ill do things that prohibit you from properly executing the technique.

Now this is not to the complete discrediation of relaxed fighting. Relaxed fighting allows you to conserve your energy and to see tells on your opponents next attack but at the same time disables your stricking ability considerably since you are either A) looking for a hold or B) defending from being pummled by attacks. Another downside is that controlling your adrenaline is a huge problem. Let's face it no matter how calm the fighter if things are getting crazy their adrenaline will start pumping, heart will start beating faster making it even more difficult to fight relaxed. To keep yourself relaxed in this state requires an imense amount of concentration which can lead to less focus on the fight, leading to you getting bitchslapped across the face with a foot.

O and on a side not try not to use the word "gay" like that. That will cause problems if a mod sees it used like that.

Oh and I do NOT do MMA. I may know stand up like it was the back of my hand, and I do know how to grapple but in my eyes MMA is not martial arts. MMA is just fighting with basic concepts of actual martial arts that forgoes the use of very important fundamentals and techniques of true martial arts. I have a cousin who started to taking MMA classes...... No martial arts experience, no real fighting experience, nothing. You couldn't call him a martial artist or even a person who practices martial arts.

Also I see that one of you guys does Tai Chi. A long time ago there was a discussion if Tai Chi was really a martial art. True if you are a very solid practitioner of Tai Chi, understand the fundamentals, concepts, and the idealogy behind each movement of the art it could be used as a martial art but Tai Chi is mainly sought as a form of meditation and even taught as such. In fact there are many Tai Chi masters that would say, "Tai Chi is not a martial art."

So I don't post here and all of a sudden Leth's little butt buddy is back. hehehehe. None of you will get that.

I'm just curious Nole how did you almost or did die?

Also I fucked up my elbow a few weeks ago doing brazillian Ju jitsu. It either got hyperextended or nerve damage. Not sure which. To lazy to go to the doctors but i guess i should considering it still hurts.

Well honestly i feel like I've had my ass kicked this last month and i've barely done any sort of sparring or anything. Just been so hectic. Starts with a girl, then a passing, then end that thing with the girl, school, get in a fight with my best friend to the point where I probably wont be his friend anymore(it is that serious), exams, training, ju jitsu with guys who have 100 pounds on me and the upperbody stregnth of a fucking gorilla, a new job, buried the hatchet with my old master instructor, and trying to decide what path I want to take with TKD. Whether it be going back into teaching now which could mean leaving my school, leave my school for another one even just to take classes, try a new martial arts style(despite the fact there isn't much but WTF TKD around here, and schools that don't have it tend to suck balls). And so much other shit to the point where I didn't really take the time to check on this beaten dog with so many flame wars and at the same time useful conversations on philosophy and such.

It is sad to say this club is having a hard time even being posted in more than once a month. It is a unique club in NG that has a lot of potential. I mean hell the club has nearly 300 pages. Most clubs don't last 10 pages and for martial arts clubs before this one they rarely lasted 5 pages. Is it that the members have given up on this club perhaps, are they to busy to come here, also possible, do we feel that we talked about all we know and believe in about martial arts, we could feel that way but I don't think that is often enough reason to not come here.

When this club first started we had a wide range of different styles and belief in what martial arts is, I would know considering I was one of the founding members. Despite how popular Tae Kwon do is out of all the active members, which there was like 12 of them only about 2 did TKD which one of them was myself and the other guy, that bastard Lethality, completely disagreed with me on everything under the sun. Stupid sweed. Actually we are pretty cool now and I talk with him on MSN from time to time but that is besides the point.

One of my theories on why this club has slowed is because no one tries to disagree with anyone here anymore. We might have opposing viewpoints but people are trying to be respectful of the other ones beliefs. Screw that. You got a belief get angry and passionate about it. Freaking go for the throat of the person you are arguing with not, hey I respect your opinion but I disagree so lets be dumb and be nice to eachother. No..... You can respect someones opinion while at the same time be a complete condescending dickwad about it and say how your idea is so much more awesome about it. Well you might say, dsm I don't think that is nice so you shouldn't say that. By saying that not only do you prove my point but also don't make me want to stop my rant.

Another theory is how martial arts has changed in recent years. We get these wannabe chuck ledels coming here say they do martial arts for 6 months, got there blue belt, and since they have SOOOOOO much experience think they are to good and kick my ass. Well let me tell you this if i spared any of you none of you would land a hit, I can promise you that. The gap between my abilities and A LOT of of people is like heaven and earth. If you hit me is because I let you so I can get that back kick right between your eyes. This isn't me being cocky, this is me telling you the way it is. I am a third degree black belt who trains two hours a day 365 days a year because no matter how good I get I want to be better. Why do you train.