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Thank you (main post dude) for imploding your own post to thinking that Saddam only killed 100 people.

You make Saddam look like some small scale Mafia. He would have had you shot by firing squad for disrespect... as well as the rest of all your remaining family members and their friends and so on.

I take all my news with caution and examine it for shit usually. Use the internet people, stop watching tv news with their opinionated chat sessions and make your own damn opinions.

Points to point out I guess for the main topic.

1. MGS4 is just a fucking game.
2. Hideo Kojima is on his usual America is evil plot just like from MGS2. No wonder US gamers hated it so much in the US. Perhaps MGS4 will look cool, some people will buy it but most will call its plot pretty much shit and not buy it.
3. I really don't see mechs or even a decent US military left coming anytime soon seeing as Congress is going to cut war funding, (especially in the Middle East).
4. You (the post starter) are a person who thinks too much about things and suffers by it. Lol, I laugh and sleep in peace as you struggle with things that make so little sense to most people because it just doesn't fucking make sense.

Hmmm, if the Islamic world is so into science then why the hell do they not have you know... like a lot of schools for education or like big cities and stuff? Why has constant Islamic sectarian violence tear apart Islamic countries if their religion wasn't so important to them?

Rule #1: To become a great evil son of a bitch you got to be educated. So in that case being educated at American schools makes sense.

Look at Kim Jong Ill he's dumb as a brick and he really can't do anything that would scare any other nation. His father was a real threat because he could get people going and command large armies effectively and his son is just a fool with a lot of old toys to play with.

Has anyone just "glanced" at the media that the Islamic tv stations shoot out, they are always calling America the "Great Satan" because they are so rich and evil. Yes, I know some of the Islamic countries have a lot of oil but they don't let facts get in the way of a good Ji-had.

Well sorry to end this whole "postage."

But he's already fucking dead now and just saying we should not have ain't going to bring that crazy Stalin worshipping dictator back.. Seriously I mean you guys are really way to humane for the most inhumane people. You'd think Hitler wasn't such a bad guy because he was just "misunderstood...."

It's good to be humane but leave it to people who really deserve it, like the poor for instance and I'm not talking about American poor people only, (American poor people are rich aristocrats compared to the poor people in other nations).

Activists can go and say whatever they want, I don't care.

The words they cannot say however are ones that threaten the President's safety like "I'm going to stab him" or something. It would be the same as threatening any other American citizen and that IS taken seriously.

For the sake of their rallies I suggest they be non-violent as much as possible as a big crowd turning into mob rule is not a pretty sight. There have heard several incidents where they've busted shit like usual mobs do, (to really no surprise to me since it is a large gathering of people). Of course its usually done on someone else's private property and the media won't show it cause they got other things to do than show the grievances of hard-working Americans.

It's funny that they say their views are being suppressed, I tend not to think so, since we hear about their stuff all the time and yet again I don't care just don't injure somebody. I have no clue why so many of them are paranoid that Bush is gonna do something dangerous on them, personally I think he's doing a lot of sucking up to them as much as possible without rescinding his own actions. They write about big militias forming and putting them down which doesn't really make sense cause no one gives a damn what they do as long as its non-violent. Normal people tend to not give a damn what another person is doing unless they are looking to get something out of it.

Lastly, I leave the activist with one last thought.. After all your tribulations and attempts don't be too pissed if things don't go the way you want to. Shit, a lot of things in life don't go the way anyone would want them, but we still go forward.

Lol the "best city in the world," that phrase is so ironic because right after they call a city that a bunch of dumbasses come in very quickly and make it the "worst city in the world." The best ones are ones that people don't know about and don't go to often. They're good because no one has wrecked it yet.

-So it is a far better idea for people to stop pointing out "best cities" because that just leads those cities to their downfall from that status.

Only some PMC's are good, not all. The good ones lately are very low key or not-existent anymore. They are effective because they don't have to worry about the media looking over their shoulders all the time and thus can do many things a big army can't without looking too overbearing/powerful on its opponents. Their training is usually very good within the better ones with many of their men with past military experiences (some even with special forces training).

-Everything the UN uses as a "military force" is not a PMC it is usually a weak coalition that can't really do shit. Only a few bigger countries within the coalition actually get stuff done. UN "peacekeepers" are renowned for not doing their jobs and even adding to the problems with many cases of rape and murders or even as far as being non-chalant/friendly toward their enemy.

As a matter of fact, the United Nations hates PMC's because they make the UN look pathetically weak, (like that's hard to do).

Liberals are hypocrites- that's your main argument (I agree with that too)
-under this you must include a lot of really tough to rebuff arguments why or examples if at all possible.
-remember to include a whole bunch of truth in it. The left will attack with a bunch of bullshit.
-always make sure you keep the idea that evil is intolerable somewhere in it. (at least it's what I do)
-having arguments that have good moral or values behind them, common sense statements helps
-don't use too much sarcasm as it is hard to get here and generally bad for points.
-facts help but seriously when would a liberal care about a conservative's data? answer: never, they would claim it's a conspiracy
-don't misspell often and keep points comprehensible
-don't wander too far off from the main point, it's a bad habit of bad writers.
-this is all got to relate to the main point of course

Overall attacking the left directly is pointless. It is better to get more people informed and educated about conservative values, that will help future generations which will guide the nation.

The one thing that really annoyed me was that I am pretty sure Rush Limbaugh is on the list of idiots for conservatives as well as liberals (go figure something both agree on). Of course Bill Maher is on the list of idiots for conservatives, that's true (he's got like a number 3 or so, high up there) and the fact that the left loves his stupid US hating ass.

Another was that Foley did the crime and likewise should do the time. No amount of malfeasance should be looked over, *this goes to everyone in the government.*

-He should not have been overlooked especially by Republicans when they had time to fix the problem before the Democrats could use it as a means of bashing them with it. This would have strengthened the base of the Republicans a lot if they agreed to get the stupids out of their party at least and replace them with effective, trained, up-to-date politicians. Sure senority is good but when they don't even use methods of communication most people use everyday, it's time to change to more current politicians who are within the party.

Here's some good leftist hypocrisies
1. They say they don't like what the US stands for and that they will move to another country if it continues doing what it does best, kicking ass. You know that years after they said that, they don't move worth shit and all they do is continue bitch about the US.
2. This is a great one, the ones that claim they are so patriotic for the US and yet everything they say is so anti-US (sounding rather like they are describing life in communist China or something).

Man I would love to post in this but Banditbyte's main argument is not strong enough to hold up to actual good criticisms that are possible with some of his points being suspect, (even to me).

There have been many people who claim to be conservative but what they say and do betrays them. I'm just saying some of his points are off but most of his others do have merit to them.

You have to be cautious here in this part of the forum and keep a level head. Try to keep yourself more informed.

-No amount of evil is negligible and Foley should be gone for what he did, which the incident actually occured a couple of years ago and the media waited at the right moment to show it. What I also believe is that Ted Kennedy, the drunk, murdering asshole should be gone to along with an assload of people in our government whose records are kind of shitty, this goes to a lot of Democrats and Republicans.

Ted Kennedy commited a murder when he was drunk driving with a secretary and crashed into a ravine. He was able to get out of the sinking car but he left her to drown, worrying more about his political career over her life and waited to call for rescuers. When brought before "justice" he was released with pretty much no punishment cause he was a member of the Kennedy family. To this day, the Kennedys have been using that family status to act like a bunch of aristocrats over everyone else.

-Yes, I'm pretty sure you can Google this, unless Google took it off the search engine since they've been acting adamantly more Communist ever since making a company contract to work with China to block all evidence of the Tiennimen Square Incident, (I'm not 100% sure how ti-en-i-men is spelled..), instead making it look like some big happy party where everyone had fun. YouTube has also been more adamant about blocking conservative news as well with its connection to Google which of course goes back to its connection with China.

No, don't make fun of fat people because make then you make me look more moral saying the rest of the world's Islamists are the usual hard-core "kill you with bomb" for any aggression toward Allah variety.

And, yes you DO not want me to look more justified..

Fat people know they are fat... just like terrorists know they are terrorists. It is a good idea for them to gain an understanding of the importance of being healthy but they probably already know that too. Remember there a lot of reasons (many including life stress) that causes people to overlook overeating as a source of help and thus become fat/overweight.

-Be a good samaritan and help these people by at least not being a dick. Life is full of enough hardships without you adding to theirs.

This is a great idea, let any religion or lack of celebrate anything they want to, this is America and you can do that here, everyone should rejoice in that fact.

If your Christian then go Merry Christmas
<sarcasm>hmm i wonder why they call it "Christ" mas? It can't be that Christ means "the Christ" which is Jesus?</sarcasm>
If your Muslim go Happy Ramadan
If your Jewish go Happy Hanukah
-and so on, just whichever one you are.

If your Athiest then why the hell you care, you don't believe it and people will respect that. Of course there will be a lot of every other religion around but heck that's expected. Just like going to a game store and finding games. December is just the month of a lot of holidays, so stumbling into one isn't surprising at all. And seriously if you don't like religion, why just stop with bashing Christmas..? why not Ramadan also (maybe cause they'd actually put a fatwa on you)?

-To everyone, just respect whatever someone else does and that's it, unless it kills you, (like literally kills you and you end up in the obituaries). If it's annoying.. deal with it. Life is full of stupid people and you are destined to be annoyed.

Too bad Ahminejad never learned about "western ideas" like MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) or cares about it even. The only thing he cares about is the Quran and Sharia laws. When a former terrorist, Ahminejad, probably still is, gets a hold of a bomb.. what do you think he's going to do with it? Use it like a deterrant and be all friendly and shit? Yeah right, remember as long as he destroys America he gets to go to Ji-had heaven, so he reaches his goals and so does his insane people.

The man's got 17 (officially declared) nuclear facilities and a lot of money. You have to remember that he has very likely been running his nuclear program a lot longer than when he "officially" stated he did and probably has many more non-officially declared sites. The big difference between him and Kim Jong ill is that he has oil money.

That oil money he gets brings me to the next point that he doesn't need nuclear powerplants at all.

Another great fact is that "strategic redeployment, aka retreat" and shortchanging the US military all the time is obviously going to lead to an ineffective military that can't fight. How can you stop Ahminejad when you won't even come out and confront him? You just hope he goes away...

To answer the race question is one simple answer: "Don't be a fucking racist and stop using any and all discrimatory terms, this goes to all races, regardless."

-Too bad getting people to do this would require people to stop being stupid which is impossible.

Well of course this ain't surprising to me at all, the US will be almost alone in fighting Islamic terrorist violence worldwide.

The world hopes that they'll be able to appease the terrorists that sit at their doorstep, (some literally, eh France, nice Islamic fundamentalist majority you have who lit up your entire country within a few days.. like that's hard, lol), so they won't die but they are in full ignorance of the big fact that they don't care about anyone except themselves just like they do and the only thing that will make them happy is everyone in the world being subjected to very painful deaths in the name of Allah.

-Funny enough, even to a large degree the terrorists will fight amongst themselves to gain control within their society but of course before that they do that they must take out the infidels (which has been a VERY long stretch of history, stemming from like Jesus's time).

-I foresee the eventual pull out of US forces in Iraq and other countries just like Vietnam, the only difference is that when they do, Ahminejad will be right behind them ready to drop his nuclear payload on all Americans, military and civilians, who are now all in 1 spot. America as a nation will cease to exist and the few Americans that are still alive will be on their own, (probably end up like a Fallout (tm) game after that). Of course after America falls there will be no one strong enough to stop the terrorists and all the other world nations will submit and obey to Sharia law.

-China and Russia will just sit back and watch America's destruction, they might nuke the terrorists for fun and take over and then they'll battle themselves. The terrorists have likely planned an attack on China and Russia though. Africa, Canada and South America, funny enough, probably will be the same as it ever as been.. shitty and no one will waste any bombs destroying it as it pretty much has already been destroyed. Europe has already fallen to Islamic law and rule. What happens in Asia is anyone's guess, maybe Kim Jong ill might "actually" bomb something too bad no one will be left alive notice. Austrailia has already delt with its Islamic terrorists problems for the most part and probably will survive if China doesn't come and make it their province.

Personally I think people who look into things too much have way too much time on their hands. The point of having free time is to enjoy life with it and not complicate yourself more with ideas that are very confusing if not absurd. Go and have fun with people and overall cherish life.

-Unless you're a scientist or a renaissance man where just thinking and doing random things can have great results I wouldn't recommend this kind of thinking as it could drive you mad. Although these kinds of people tend to think in the moderately rational area of thinking that could actually benefit mankind.

For me this is what a submarine is:
1. A vehicle that is manned by people (maybe not be with unmanned subs but it is still controlled by humans through a computer interface) and can either depending on its build can be used for war purposes or used for sea exploration (especially those mini-subs).

-I don't mind people that are very ideological, all I can say is that try to make sure what you are thinking helps other people, that's all, if not keep it to yourself or others who share the same ideas.

"When you have a thought, just let it go" -Ron White's advice to stupid people

Always think about context (situation of THAT time) in terms of history, people.

-Man, the next person that misses to think about context when talking about something that happened in history should be beaten to death with a goddamn history book. Yeah if you haven't gotten the message across yet, I'm a pretty negative person, but hey I definetely ain't the first. Wow, I'm using those post icon smilies too much to annoy people, lol... seriously when has a smily face icon ever made you happy?

The Commies fought the Nazis because they both desired world control and power. When it comes down to dictators when you want to become the strongest power on Earth you kind of have to be the only power on Earth, (no dual dictatorships or bipartisanship here folks).

Annarchy is bad/chaos because when people are left to themselves the LAST thing they will EVER do is go make friends and be happy hippis and stuff... more realistically they will endlessly fight for power to rule among others in their society without laws to stop them. People are basically evil and there are plenty of examples of this that are so obvious in the world that a blind man could SEE them.

Lol, Islam, a.k.a. The Religion of Peace (TM)

Quick tips to remember (that's hard enough for some people to do) or at least go over once:

1. The Pope "quoting" the Byzantium emperor is just that, "quoting," which shows that emperor's point of view and not his. Just like when someone quotes me they are showing my point of view and not theirs (very few do however because they don't rattle up conversation as most people would like and are "fairly dry and boring" but hey that's what politics is supposed to be. That's why I discourage quoting among people because I don't know what there thinking exactly (sadly some are so stupid I could actually go by without their ideas).

2. Islams get offended by everything because for them ANY slight infraction toward Allah is met with anger and usually a bomb of some sort, (not sure which type of bomb is preferred but I'll go with either the car or human sacrifice bomb variety).

3. Difference between Moderate and Radical Muslims:
A. Moderate- they will just kill you.
B. Radical- they will kill all of you, that includes your whole family and everyone assosiated with you just cause Allah commands it.

4. American 2nd generation Muslims live by the kid-friendly version of Islam that it is "The Religion of Peace (TM)." Their parents are probably the die-hard Muslims that believe Allah commands all and your complete submit to his wills are 100% necessary. That is to say if totally slaughtering your opponent into nothing but dust and even the innocents is in Allah's will then you must do so also.

5. Clerical leaders though they shouldn't be considered idols in Islam, but for all purposes, ARE idols and leaders of different Islamic tribes and sects.

6. Muhammed the prophet not idolized in Islam, probably not visually with pictures but in the actions of Muslim followers' and their mentality, of course he is. Considering realisticly that he was no Jesus and did things like real people do to gain power and converts for his religion which amounted to killing people and forcing their submission to this laws, (he had a lot of fun and did a hell of a lot more than just those simple aggressions but listing all of them would be a bother).

-If you can read with Arabic then you should have no trouble finding the verses that say how Muhammed did this and this is how you should do it too. Hell I doubt that the Quran is anything but that. Sure put the words Allah says do this, Allah says do that but you pretty much get the gyst that the only man really writing the Quran is Muhammed which is pretty biased to say the least, (maybe some of his other generals, followers, desendants but mostly was from him).

The "cost" of the government's porkbarrel spending far beats the cost of building a wall, it's just an example of how lazy they are. If we wanted too the US government could get the Army corps of engineers to build that wall in a very short time. They can also build a wall on the Canadian border too because we get a lot of shitheads from there too.

The phrase "the US government doesn't have enought money for projects" is bullshit, what is true however is that the US government doesn't want to fund projects that will actually benefit their people.

I know some dick is gonna say what about their job in New Orleans, well shit, New Orleans was gonna get fucked sooner or later and their state leaders decided to keep the people there and not evacuate. That's there problem and that their city is in a fucking land dome depression so that when any water leaks it fills up quick and stays there. No amount of building/fixing up the barriers set to stop the water from coming in can be built in time and would take decades even for our most experienced Army Corps of Engineers to build one that would last to the strength of multiple hurricanes.

What's so wrong with all this illegal immigration is the fact that it ain't just a few, say thousand people but roughly.. what was it now, hundreds of thousands illegals easily a day? Damn that ain't just illegal immigration that's called an invasion.

If that wasn't bad enough the Mexican gang warlord groups go right into America with these people as well as druglords, Mexican mercenaries and other illicit groups.

Now if these people could actually work hard and be SELF-dependent than the negative effect of them on the US would be minimal at best.

The problem is that they completely rely on labor jobs which is a closing and ever shrinking job opportunity and when they don't have access to that what do you think they will do.. go back to Mexico like peaceful people and live there? Fuck no, they are gonna to get what they came for and rip it out of America forcefully becoming violent mobs that will destroy anything that gets in the way as they become ever more removed from their only source of income and living turning to "less than honest methods of obtaining money." Mob mentality when it arises within this group will be about as nice as the French Revolution... (hopefully you know about the French Revolution)

The real danger of illegal immigration is not only in the present (a lot of illegals are already reported attacking individual American citizen's own lives and properties in the SW states seeking the easier and more evil forms of getting "their way") but also in the long run as well with rioting for the fact that being illegal entitles them to not follow any of our laws, like for instance, "don't kill innocent people since that violates their rights as American citizens for safety under the US government."

It's important that you do not cross the DMZ into the lines of Republican and Democrat Parties whose positions with conservatives and liberals fly all over the place and usually fall into 1 group, stupid.

My god you don't read worth shit, there was nothing about lefties limiting freedom in there, I specifically stated what sides were, the most non-partisan way possible and let you decide.

It just mentioned what each side preferred. No blatant negative things were added.

-China was the only one to get insulted but then again China sucks and that's another country and not the US when it comes to US politics and sides.

Wow, the original post was completely "odd" if not random as hell. China is conservative, LOL, that's like saying gravity pulls things up.

-China wants to get the benefits of capitalism (i.e. money) but have the complete control of communism among its people. Sure they are succeeding temporarily but if they don't stop stealing from foreign companies they will leave China for broke. That and China's pursuit for becoming stronger is leaving them with a massive debt that makes America's look like nothing and this debt WILL actually screw them over unlike the US debt which only screws the government and not its economy or the people.

I made a gigantic post about conservatives and liberals sometime ago that I don't want to bring it up again because it's futile to teach people the sides, so I'll keep this one short.

Ideals for conservatives and lefties have changed over the years many times but have boiled down to this.

A. Conservatives are for more rights to the people so they may be free from strong government. They want a government but only to ensure the welfare of the people (meaning just strong enough but not overbearing). Usually this is where most conservatives stick, not many venture too far from this, (there are very few radicals). So far America is a majority of Conservatives which includes a wide range of people that emphasize in some or all aspects the importance of values and/or rights obviously. Even though there are many groups they will think of themselves as one united group that stand for a common set of values.

B. Liberals believe a strong government benefits the welfare of the people. They want the government to completely work for the citizen by becoming ever more stronger. Liberals can range from slight left to full blown radical. This group has various groups within it, each with many people worldwide. These groups can consider themselves as part of a whole within but sometimes they will fight against each other as goals can become contradictary.
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Whether you believe the government really wants to work for its citizens is up to you, especially when they become more powerful. This is where ideologies start producing sides:

Do you believe people are basically evil? You can't trust a few people with too much power therefore you trust it in the majority who are citizens.
-Or-
Are people good and want to benefit other people? You can trust that these few people with a lot of power will help other people.
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Final bits:
-Extremes on either side of the political spectrum can be assured are bad.
-Moderates are in the middle, which can shift from either side saying yes on some things and no on others.
-Stupid people will somehow manage to go in some direction besides this but that's irrevelant.

As I have said in earlier posts, I don't like the mainstream media (all stations). This is in no way surprising to me, nor would it be that other media groups as well did the same thing.

This only proves that the media is working with terrorists. No would care about terrorism if the media didn't show it. The only medium terrorism works is by the media to spread as much of their terror as possible to as many people.

I mean the chances you stay alive after being captured by terrorists is slim to none, even if you get your ransom paid or go Allah and become an Islamist because at the core of things you are still "an amerikan" to them (misspell intended).

Whatever, I don't care about this post as it just comes to show that the world likes it when we suck their dick and come to pull their asses out of the fire with no complaints.

The reason Americans say America is all great because is the fact that comparatively to other nations, we are very well off, that and being a superpower.

Other countries calling us "arrogant Americans" is about as new as Islamists worshipping ALLAH and calling us "dirty Americans," (you can replace the word dirty with many other offensive words).

I mean you don't call the people of India, who are becoming really successful and powerful as a country, "arrogant Indians" because of:

A. it would be racially offensive, *gasp* calling them Indians (sarcasm included, like racism is new...)
B. the world really doesn't care abount India

Interesting fact: the government has PLENTY of money and doesn't not even have to go war to get more money if that was the goal.

-They get it by taxing the living shit out of Americans. Surpringly it isn't as bad as other countries' taxes though.

The gas tax (passed quite a whiles back as this is not a new tax at all) already rakes in innumerable amounts of money for the government

Something along the lines of:
10 cents profit for oil companies per gallon of gas purchased
-versus the government's 40 cents profit per gallon of gas purchased

Yeah I don't think anyone in the government like Bush needs to worry about getting more money AS THEY ALREADY HAVE PLENTY! Our government getting more money is as easy as getting a fat person to eat more food.

Gotta remember different wars had different people in them and different situations

After the great 1st World War the European Powers found it highly unpopular among their people to immediately go to war again and their economies were pretty well drained after the last war. They saw appeasement as a more viable "solution." When Hitler began openly attacking them with full force they had just barely struggled to build a meager army that was by no means capable of stopping him. That is why Hitler easily dominated Europe with his blitzkriegs of well built tanks and trained soldiers.

Europe used too much force on Germany with their treaty that created a power vacuum which was to be filled by Hitler. He used his newly gained power to strengthen Germany and like with UN resolutions with no power behind them he easily evaded/ignored the Europeans rules set upon them.

America also had the same feelings of not getting involved, causes similar to Europe. Not enough support or even care by most Americans who didn't want to be involved in Euro wars anymore said that they could handle it themselves. America did not have much of a hand in power with the other European countries saying that we only came in at the end of the 1st world war and thus didn't deserve to make any actions afterwards about post-war Germany.

World War II was a more different war with different allies and enemies as well. When Hitler was going out to make allies places he went included the Middle East and Africa whom did become his allies.

So when you apply the Winston Churchill statement with the context of the times you are understanding that what he is saying: if worse came to worse/if need be with the British operations in Africa and the Middle East he would allow the gassing of Kurds (at that time an enemy allied with the axis powers) in order to win against Germany and its allies or else face certain and total destruction of his people.

Saddam used this method against his OWN people in his OWN country and didn't give a damn who died. If he thought they "might" pose a threat to him they would be eliminated very soon. Saddam was not under a danger to be forced to this method at all. He could also choose to shoot everyone in the village if he thought they might rebel. He killed his own damn family members and high ranking commanders for fear that they too may betray him.

I wouldn't want someone who frivolously spends money as soon as he/she has access to it.

That's asking a lot because a large majority of people, no matter how good, will spend when they get that much money to use. Pretty much all of the people already in government are not capable of doing this. They definetely wouldn't be using lobbyists and adding ridiculous taxes (that is to say, taxes that are on your rights that are a given) if this was the case.

The US Treasury Department should really be in control of the money that the federal government uses. All they can do is watch in horror as both parties spend like crazy on many projects that have no real use to most Americans.

-I mean they manage the economy, keeping it from crashing, why can't they also go and control the fed's money so they don't spend it like idiots. People who work with money all the time and are entrusted to keep its value stabilized are usually good with money.

-Rather than the rest of the people in government who work with many other things besides money (only in usage) and when they are given exorbant amounts to use with free reign over it... things get ugly. Every kind of administration has hoarded a bunch of money for themselves, which makes winning seats in government more based on the fact that all they want to do is use it (how they use it, depends mostly on the character of the person).

We instead need people to run who actually want to run and keep America running effectively with no real problems toward the rights of American citizens. As long as the person and/or people who work in our government does that, who gets elected doesn't matter to much.

Americans though have many pardoxes on what the President or government officials should be or don't, so this should prove to be an interesting topic to what other people have to say about it.

-They honestly make more sense when you can better understand what they are really getting at in them (not surprisingly this is very hard to do, people can express many things in one statement).

Paradox example: They want them to listen to the people but they don't them to follow polls all the time.

Well to go to war to increase oil trade is a theoretically flawed idea. You end up using more resources to get it if that was the goal.

For:
1. The US trades for oil from many countries, yes, we use our economy for exports, imports and buying goods like oil.

2. If you wanted to invade a country for oil, Mexico makes a far more higher target to get oil from (predicted reserves by major oil companies is massive, it makes the Middle East look like nothing, of course there are many surveys saying why "this" country should get more oil trade but this one has to be of some merit) and is a hell of a lot closer and situation size is much more stable than the Middle East.

3. We have a national oil reserve anyway to prevent us from being fucked again by the Middle Eastern countries "saying, O no, you can't have OUR oil you dirty Americans." Well they can also NOT have the American trade market, which without it, WILL cripple their economy.

-Any person on the left will disagree with something that is completely out-of-the blue randomness and stupid only imaginable by them. This fact a given. Of course the other will always complain the opposite then when it comes down to the real writing of a rebuffal they will write like this: (quote), 1 original sentence, (quote), (quote), (quote), (quote), (quote), (quote), another original sentence (rare), then another (quote),(quote), then for a change (quote).

Does God exist? Isn't this more of a philosophical question that humanity has been trying to answer for centuries? Perhaps the "general" catagory would be better for such a question.

Whether or not God exists, government will continue to run anyways as it is decided by the people, run by few people, or whatever the case it is still run by people, (does not even have to include a god at all). Maybe the leaders of the government can be looked upon as gods, maybe the people have a god with them guiding their ideals, who knows, and who gives a damn when this is the politics forum and not the philosophical questions forum (which they should probably make, since everyone has plenty of those).

Though provoking with movies and tv = true.
Hollywood loves to show what it thinks to make you think that way = true.
You may watch a lot of crap giving people who make the crap the reason to make it = true.

-But not for building your opinions on, that's something you do on your own time, with history, real people and current events (and I mean a GOOD knowledge of history, not like open a history book for 2 secs. then close it).

Since the original post is tittled "stop complaining about Iraq" I'll leave it at that.

And to all you idiots who have NO FUCKING idea who your buddies are or even which side you ARE on. Here are the sides as that can be most easily defined.

The Left Wing:
-Democrats, the usually assosiated group with the left.

The Mainstream Media (includes ALL tv media, yes FOX too because they are populists anyway (going with whats popular because it gets ratings even though it can be bull).
Lefties, the lefty radicals and the lefty bloggers
Anti-gun people
Environmentalists
Conspiracy theorists
Revolutionists
Elitists
Rich people
Hippies

Terrorists- they are more assosiated with supporting everything "ALLAH," though prefer this group because they can show the most kindness to their terror bombings. Islam- "The Religion of Peace (TM)"

Dictators
Communists
Anti-war people
PETA
Worker's Unions
Socialists

---- And so on..

-Obviously it's much easier to be stupid, just like human nature. All these people have a lot in common with each other and many are attached to usually more than 1 group.

The media likes doing this all the time and so does everyone else in the left too, it's a favorite pastime to them:

A. Say how they much hate Bush.
B. Show why they hate Bush.
C. Complaing about not hating Bush enough.
D. Leak all sensitive information from the Bush Administration so he looks bad. Which also undermines national security but hey it's for hating Bush.
E. And for a change of pace, hate Bush some more.

(you can replace Bush with anyone in the Right also)

Usually this group will stick to not sticking with anything or even humans for that matter for some of them.

Moderates (aka the Grey Area)

Could include a sizeable portion of people who don't care/have an opinion (I suspect doubtful)

-Tend to stick to neither side claiming neutrality (kind of like the UN).
-Or can attack both sides
-Will get torn to shreds in debates and when it comes down to it and end up supporting 1 side or the other.

There are a bunch of moderates in every group in either side.

The Right Wing:
-Republicans, but not RINO's (republicans in name only)

Conservatives and the Conservative Bloggers
Constitutionalists
Gun owners
The majority of US middle income people (aka Hard Working Americans)
US Soldiers
Veterans

- I know there are more but since they don't complain AS much they are less well known but definetly deserve no less respect on this side either.

What the right usually does: not bitch as much, that's guaranteed, because unlike the left they actually gotta work. Usually will stick to moral standards and traditional American stuff.

--- All in all this mostly applies to America. In other countries who knows if there are even distinct differences between groups. Usually the ethnic and religious differences tear those countries long before individual groups can form.---