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At 10/12/07 08:45 PM, EndGameOmega wrote:

At 10/12/07 03:31 PM, Dave-310 wrote: Do any of you ever apply philosophy?

Some times, it depends on what problem(s) I'm working on; though empirical philosophy, i.e. science, has the greatest weight in my opinion.

But do you fully take into account all other foundations of philosophical thinking? if so, agreed, your point about empircal philosophy is relevant.

Plato, who contributed to science, also created the theory of forms.

Err, what Plato did was very far removed from any thing we would consider to be modern day science.

How can you argue this, when he went onto tutor one of history's leading scientific founders, introducing many aspects of biology and physics, being Aristotle. Plato produced the foundations on which modern day science could be created.

The world of forms has need for no senses, only absolute truth is held within there, so tell me, therefore, that science is completely adequate when clearly philosophical background can throw all of it out of the window as it is found through sense analysis, only mathematical absolutes and scientific THEORIES are produced, nowhere, does it allow for experimentation or discussion of matters.

Because it's philosophical bullshit. It doesn't tell us anything or say anything usable about the world; simply that the real world exist in our head. Ok, fine, but if that's the case then why dose my hand hurt after I touch a hot object? If every thing is merely an abstract concept in the mind, then why dose the out side world have any affect on us? Realism doesn't give any usable answers for this question.

Yes, granted it very well might be the case that the real world is the abstract world that exist in our head, but how can we ignore our out side senses? If I where to cut off both of my arms my world would clearly change, and my ability to manipulate the world would be reduced. Your philosophy dose not account for this.

Great beginning to a criticism there, but anyway, if you touch a hot object, it is your body that tells you it is hot, your nervous system stops you, however leading onto Plato's mind, body and soul, our souls, searching for their previous existence in the world of forms, matter most, clearly to him; therefore our body and minds do link together to create us this, fake, imperfect, ever changing world, which realism can then branch into, the outside world only effects us in the sense that we have to feed ourselves or sleep etc. when people fast, we deprive ourselves of these desires, taking us closer to that even-wanting existance in the world of forms.

Our own ideas therefore, are theories of what is unknown, when he finally realise our correctness in choice, you could put it as, do we enter the world of forms.

The idea behind forms is arguably the foundation of realism. It's based off the idea that the only thing that's real is the abstract though processes that occur inside our mind, but as I've outlined above, that doesn't seem to be the case.

As I outlined above, it can be disputed.

Do any of you ever apply philosophy?
Plato, who contributed to science, also created the theory of forms.
The world of forms has need for no senses, only absolute truth is held within there, so tell me, therefore, that science is completely adequate when clearly philosophical background can throw all of it out of the window as it is found through sense analysis, only mathematical absolutes and scientific THEORIES are produced, nowhere, does it allow for experimentation or discussion of matters.
Our own ideas therefore, are theories of what is unknown, when he finally realise our correctness in choice, you could put it as, do we enter the world of forms.

At 10/11/07 05:56 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 10/11/07 05:06 PM, Mr-Money wrote: But I can guaranteee that God exists.

Give me one characteristic of God.

Omniscient

Personally, I'm quite pacifist myself although hitler's actions needed Churchill's blunt conservative attitude for WWII to take place, i'm nowhere near conservative, but he was the best conservative PM we've ever had.