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At 6/25/13 01:08 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 6/25/13 01:05 PM, Ceratisa wrote:

However he was 5'7 5 inches less then 6 feet and 30 pounds less then TM

true, but my point was, Bruce Lee was not a wimp at all despite his light weight.

No I was agreeing with you, 30 pounds less is plenty of room for about 5 inches in height difference.
According to
http://www.healthchecksystems.com/heightweightchart.htm
TM fits on the edge of medium, but he is NOT in the light category all the same.
and at 135 Bruce lee would be considered below small frame. which is the weight that is mentioned in regards to his prime condition era.
Small Frame cut off is 138 5'7" 138-145

Place gamers of similar skill in the same game one with a pad the other with mouse and keyboard,
the M&K player will wreck the pad user.

At 6/25/13 12:54 PM, Entice wrote:

At 6/25/13 12:44 PM, Korriken wrote: tell that to Bruce Lee, he weighed about 135 pounds. I wouldn't have messed with him either.

Bruce Lee wasn't over 6 feet tall.

However he was 5'7 5 inches less then 6 feet and 30 pounds less then TM

At 6/25/13 01:21 AM, Korriken wrote:

At 6/25/13 01:01 AM, Ceratisa wrote: So apparently Trayvon Martin's clothing had burns due to the close range (statement in court today)

yeah but that range is like within 3 feet, which is still very close, almost in the average person's striking distance.

To my understanding it is up to 3 feet, am I misunderstanding something?

So apparently Trayvon Martin's clothing had burns due to the close range (statement in court today)

At 6/24/13 07:33 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 6/24/13 06:31 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Zimmerman specifically states he doesn't know where the kid is and when the operator says "we don't need you to do that" He doesn't argue he says "OK."

Actually it's implied that he did know where he was because he said "Shit, he's running," after which you can hear him getting out of the car. He had to have seen him.

Was that before or after he said he didn't know where the kid was? I haven't listened to it in awhile.

At 6/24/13 06:51 PM, RacistBassist wrote: The call ended at 7:15. The first officer arrived at 7:17. Not exactly that much time.

He was not 2-3 minutes away from his car when dispatch advised him not to chase after him.

No advise like that was given, they said "We don't need you to do that" and he said "OK" if that is what you refer to.

According to the actual phone call, Zimmerman had been chasing Martin and he had been running away, and Zimmerman caught up to him when Trayvon had thought he had escaped. We know that Zimmerman walked up to Trayvon, which he then asked what Zimmerman wanted from him. Zimmerman asked Martin what he's doing there. There was a scuffle and she heard Trayvon telling GZ to get off of him.

Well actually according to the phone call Zimmerman had no idea where Trayvon was and according to Zimmerman there was also a struggle for the gun I believe, I'd be yelling for help if I was afraid my own firearm was going to be used against me while I was being beaten.
Zimmerman specifically states he doesn't know where the kid is and when the operator says "we don't need you to do that" He doesn't argue he says "OK."
If I'm recalling everything correctly. But the statement "OK" does strongly suggest he didn't argue and was returning to his vehicle.

You shoot to kill if you shoot Feoric always

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVTM8sqz4k
DeeDee's statement to State attorney.
pasted from the info tab
"Pay attention from the 8:40 mark to the 10:10 mark. She said Trayvon lost Zimmerman for "a couple of minutes". She also said Trayvon was "going back", and "not going to run". Trayvon was also the first to speak before the altercation.

http://www.4shared.com/web/preview/doc/KctzX400"

At 6/24/13 02:33 AM, Memorize wrote: Try again

Weird, the screams end just as the shot went off. It's almost as if that person got shot in the chest and died instantly.

Is that really weird? i'd stop screaming if I stopped the shot my attacker, as well as got shot and died instantly.

I don't believe it was a 911 operator I believe it is an non emergency number?

Dead?

The Washington State Supreme Court, for example, has ruled "that there is no duty to retreat when a person is assaulted in a place where he or she has a right to be."[3][4]

Duty to retreat? I think this covers it.

million of years of earth and you think the moon will leave earth in 100+ years?

dont worry, i bet we will colonize a planet with many moons, and be happy forever

More like we'll colonize the moons of a gas giant and be like "WHAT NOW JUPITER!?

But that is the issue, he doesn't NEED to make a non lethal attempt at anything if he feels himself endangered. It doesn't even matter if he was pinned at the time if he was still being assaulted. It matters who started the altercation.

I got empire earth, campaign is really fricken hard, and by that I mean time consuming and unfair.

I need to build a massive amount of expensive units just because my enemy is in a WAAAY better postion and/or age than I am. And If you go too soon and lose your army you may as well reload cause it will take forever to build up a new army again.

At 6/21/13 08:51 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 6/21/13 08:23 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Are you really going to try to deny that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman striking his head? That's like the thing that most of the witnesses actually witnessed.

I'm saying the physical evidence doesn't support his claim, not that an attack never took place. Unless Martin had fists made out of iridium then I don't see how that tiny abrasion is consistent with Zimmerman's version of events.

And honestly, I really don't care about witness testimony in this case as much as I do the physical evidence, especially since this occurred at night. Some witnesses said Martin was on top of Zimmerman, some say Zimmerman was on top of Martin. It doesn't really matter to me, honestly, because there is no way Martin could have gotten that gunshot wound if he really was on top.

Explain why that is the case? and Explain why Zimmerman had 2 small lacerations on the back of his head, 2 black eyes a broken nose and a minor back injury? Are you suggesting he hurt his back on top and proceeded to shoot TM from a position of power?

Shooting in self defense isn't though.

Even if Trayvon instigated the fight, Zimmerman was using deadly force inappropriately, since his life wasn't in danger based on all the evidence I've seen that's available thus far.

Actually that isn't how self defense works
"
A person may use such force as is [objectively] reasonable in the circumstances as he [subjectively] believes them to be."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defence_in_English_law in R vs Owino
"A man about to be attacked does not have to wait for his assailant to strike the first blow or fire the first shot; circumstances may justify a pre-emptive strike." in another reference

You don't even need to get punched to respond with force.

Runyan, the court stated "When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justiciable."

Zimmerman had every right to be there, and following someone isn't considered being the aggressor
.

At 6/21/13 07:43 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 6/21/13 07:03 PM, Ceratisa wrote: The thing that bothers me is, unless TM was the aggressor why is the only injury other than a single gunshot wound to the chest are his bruised knuckles?

What bruised knuckles? The autopsy report is right here, show me where it mentions this. Zimmerman said that he was punched in the face 25-30 times and was fearing for his life. Trayvon had a single 1/4" x 1/8" abrasion under knuckle. None of Zimmerman's DNA was found on Trayvon's hands or on the cuffs of his hoodie. That doesn't bother you?

It seems fairly obvious to me that he didn't openly have his gun out since that itself is illegal in Florida.

So is second degree murder.

Please, don't try to sweep that fact up in bullshit comments like this. He would not have brandished his weapon out in the open unless he wanted to be arrested. (He had called for the police, his next course of action is to try to get himself arrested?)

So where did the abrasion come from by the way? and why did Zimmerman have a broken nose?
IF Zimmerman had his gun out in the open would you jump him? And if Zimmerman was the aggressor why did TM have no other injuries?

The thing that bothers me is, unless TM was the aggressor why is the only injury other than a single gunshot wound to the chest are his bruised knuckles? It seems fairly obvious to me that he didn't openly have his gun out since that itself is illegal in Florida.

I trust FBI stats over ATF since they are responsible for gun running themselves.

At 6/21/13 01:32 AM, Feoric wrote:

At 6/21/13 01:23 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: but he had Marijuana is his system at the time of his autopsy.

And a bullet lodged in his heart.

Self defense can result in someone being dead, this isn't a new concept.

At 6/19/13 11:17 AM, Camarohusky wrote: The vast majority of gun crimes/gun deaths in the US are caused by legally purchased firearms. Lowering the access to legally purchase firearms would naturally lower the amount used in crimes or that are involved in deaths.

Nope, that isn't remotely true and you know it...

At 6/20/13 01:06 PM, infamoss wrote:

At 6/20/13 12:36 PM, Ceratisa wrote: This isn't exactly surprising, but isn't that illegal?

ru10?

ruaware that many countries do have laws against it? So yes I didn't bother looking up the U.S. stance on it. If it isn't illegal it would obviously be covered under freedom of expression. That same liberty to express yourself allows you to burn that symbol, urinate on it and stomp on it.

No no no no. You skipped Reconstruction, that's when the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments were ratified along with things like Civil Rights Acts and the Freedman's Bureau (which was essentially a welfare organization for the Freed Slaves). After 1876 Conservative Republicans decided that they had done enough.

Yeah I imagine the whole, freeing the slave thing really took its toll on them in terms of likability. Among the northern states it barley passed right??

Pretty sure you can't chase off God...

At 6/16/13 09:05 AM, wankwest wrote: Who the fuck takes pride in being called a gamer?
I mean, for fuck's sake. If you say it like that it sounds like gaming is all you do.

Pride no? but there is no shame in describing your non alcoholic/drug/crime related hobby..

At 6/18/13 09:43 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

At 6/17/13 12:51 AM, randomperson23 wrote:

At 6/17/13 12:33 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 6/14/13 09:10 AM, TheKlown wrote:

Thanks for wasting our Money, jack ass.

Yet I don't remember hearing a peep out of you for all those vacation days Bush took....you know, the ones where it made him the President who took the MOST vacation time EVER.

This isn't about bush.

Actually, he made a valid point. Saying "this isn't about Bush" doesn't refute it.

No actually this isn't about Bush, unless Bush is spending up to 100 million for his trip to Africa at Tax payer expense. Bush's vacation time as I mentioned was considerably cheaper. It was a private location already secured that he went to consistently. Securing a new site is more expensive, esp a public one.

At 6/19/13 04:30 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 6/19/13 03:43 PM, darkjam wrote: Well, I can't see it.

lol

All you have to do is go to the portal and set it to adult only

Wow, zone is all over that....

This isn't exactly surprising, but isn't that illegal?

At 6/17/13 12:47 PM, com wrote:

At 6/17/13 11:43 AM, Grotty wrote:

At 6/17/13 09:46 AM, Silo wrote: fat gay idiot

Pot, meet Kettle.

Gay Idiot, Meet My Fucking Asshole You Fucking Fag!!!

Why are you showing a gay your asshole?

I'm sorry, what is minimalism exactly?