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At 7/15/05 08:21 PM, _FLAGG wrote:

At 7/15/05 06:21 PM, capn_g wrote: Nice to see the press core having enough balls to actually press the issue for a change though.

What? I think it's fucking ridiculous that the press asks the same fucking question a million times during one press conferance.

That's not entirely true. Their questions are all based around the same issue but the questions vary. In brief:

"Does the president stand by his statement about firing anyone proven to be a leak?"
"Why were things discussed before (ie when Rove was not in the hot seat) during the criminal investigation but now (implied- now that Rove IS in the hot seat)?"
"When did that change in attitude become policy?"
"Did Karl Rove commit a crime?" (That one's particularily stupid)
"Will the american people accept (read "buy") the fact that it's inappropriate now to discuss it but wasn't before?"
"Does the president continue to have faith in Rove as chief of staff?"

Now each of those could be succinctly answered I'm sure but instead they chose to issue a blanket "no comment" statement (apart from the one question about terrorism which I'm assuming was either a) a FOX correspondant or b) a plant to try and steer things away from the Rove issue and some minor policy stuff and Supreme court comments).

This is what I was concerned about earlier, this whole "Move along, nothing to see here" attitude. Why can I hear John Madden yelling "FUMBLE!!!" in my head?

Aren't Reeboks British? There's a big honkin' Union Jack on the box lids...

<--- adds one more thing to the "dumbest ideas I've ever heard" list

Point of interest, here's the transcript from the most recent White House Press briefing on the subject:

http://www.whitehous..5/07/20050711-3.html

Scott McClellan is clearly the right weasel for the job and it's commendable (in a sad way) that he doens't just snap and say "Because we fucking said so!!". Nice to see the press core having enough balls to actually press the issue for a change though.

Zeig heil, eh?

At 7/15/05 02:30 AM, NG_Dark_Lord wrote: I'm duel citezenship...Canada and US.

And half the time I smell...

Duel? Do you fight yourself or something?

The one I'm finding the most offensive lately is internet exclusive. I see alot of posts that simply say something like "Canada....lol" WTF is that shit? I'm willing to bet money that 99% of the people that type that have either never met a Canadian or been to Canada or both. Oh and "America Jr." not so much because it's insulting but because it illustrates a level of ignorance, since both America and Canada are offspring of England we're more "America's little brother".

One I'm the most tired with is the assumption we all love and play hockey. I can't fucking stand hockey. I'm glad those overpaid crybabies got shut out last season. FUCK 'EM.

Most amusing? Probably the way Americans tend to say "Canada" like it was a small town or single state or something, not realizing it's actually a much larger landmass than the continental US. One time a friend of mine ran into some tourists in Welland, Ontario. Noting the Alabama liscense plate they said that they had come up to Canada for a few days and wanted to know how long it would take to get to the West Edmonton mall. If you don't get why that's funny, get an atlas.

90% of all statistics are fabricated.

Well, I never claimed either was likely, merely each was a point of concern. But you have to admit, this administration's gotten away with some astounding shit, so neither scenario is outside the realm of possibility, just at the extreme ends of it.

At 7/14/05 11:14 PM, _FLAGG wrote:

So? I want to see any and all sourches of this confidential information leak put in Federal prison for a long time.
This needs to be a seek and destroy mission. If Rove even hinted at this information, put him in prison. Any reporter who wrote the story, edited the story, approved the story, or printed the story needs to be in prison. Anyone who was involved at all...needs to be in prison.

I agree. My concern however is two-fold: Either Rove will get off scott-free and all will be swept under the rug in the wake of the latest political sacrifical lamb (whatever it may be) OR Rove will bear the full brunt of accusation and will essentially become the goat, glazing completely over the complicity of others involved in this and choosing to focus on one individual rather than the larger problem he is part of. Neither of those is desirable.

At 7/14/05 08:55 PM, RamblinMan wrote: It's something of a misnomer, but we have other terms that are similar such as reverse racism and reverse psychology.
It doesn't make literal sense, but everyone understands what you mean. People just want you to understand that something about the new situation is reversed with respect to the standard situation.

True but it doesn't really make sense. It's like saying "reverse backing up", it's redundant.

Must fight...urge to respond...!! Phew! "Deadafterall" is apparently the status of your brain, so attempts to converse further are pointless. If you're an alt, you're not funny. If you're genuine, you're just sad. I pity your fellow americans for having to deal with a government that is maintained and sustained by people like you. But I don't care anymore, I offer insights and you spew propaganda, I call you to question and you deny anything beyond what you've been told. You are blind and deaf to everything that I have said because you either do not understand it or refuse to consider it. This is my final statement in this thread and I bid you good day.

Sweet mother of christ kid, I am completely done with you after this. You're so thoroughly brainwashed that there's no hope of discussing a damn thing with you intelligently. Believe what you want if it helps you sleep at night.

At 7/14/05 06:35 PM, deadafterall wrote: Ok your freaking moron!

"... you're a..."

We are treating the POWs very freaking well and there is no problem in what we are doing.

They aren't POWs jackass. You have to have an official declaration of war to have those which you didn't make. Those men are being detained ILLEGALLY by every statute set down in international law. You got THAT?

The terrorists are the ones that are killing whoever they can capture. I'm sure it will be brought up against them when we finally get them which will take decades.

No fucking shit genius, they're TERRORISTS.

I can tell you're trying to play with my words...i don't know what you're talking about who's in charge because you give no reference to what you're talking about. Conservatives wanted war so we can kill those who threaten us. Liberals also agreed. What spreads peace and unity? WHAT ARE YOU REFERENCING???

What am I referenceing? What do you have amnesia or something? Look at your own damn posts! If you're too lazy I'll help: "That's why they like the liberals, because the conservatives always try to bring good, peace, and unity" Conservatives are the ones in charge. They optioned the invasion (oops I mean "liberation") of Iraq despite overwhelming resistance both at home and around the globe. They're responsible for a war that's generated 30+ times the number of deaths suffered on 9/11. They are the ones creating ripples of descent within the USA by continually not listening to the will of the people. Conservatives are historically inclined to war policies and liberals to trade policies. In short they are anything BUT interested in good, peace or unity. You are either thoroughly uneducated or completely deluded (or both).

WELL DUH! I f we pull out now all those lives lost would be in vain! You aren't getting this are you. War on terror is about killing terrorists who threaten us...do you get it or are you to freaking stupid to know what i am saying!!! Terrorists want to kill us!!! Terrorists hate us and you know what those troops are doing??? KILLING EVERYONE WHO WANT US DEAD!!! Now that means those who help them and those who do attack us. WHAT DON'T YOU GREAKING GET?

Holy fucking shit, are you retarded or something? How many times do I have to say this? Of course they want you dead, THEY'RE FUCKING TERRORISTS. NOBODY is disputing that despite the fact you seem to feel the need to restate it over and over again (which is not really surprising, it's a key conservative tactic). Many terrorist cells originate in allied countries. Do you plan on attacking them too?

I never disagreed with freedom...god have pity on you...i didn't say those things moron. Why don't you try to bring up something that can be discussed and not insults?

"The liberals though are really working with that freedom of speech thing by bashing our troops and demeaning them." So freedom is fine just, NOT for those who disagree with the government because they should keep their mouths shut? Good plan, I'm sure George Washington would have been totally down with it. Oh wait, NO. I love how you complain about insults after calling me a moron too, that's fucking CLASSY.

Moron...Saddam helped train these people. Not all, which i did not say!!! Saddam gives the weapons to fight us. Saddam did not have anything to do with 9/11, i've said that already.

IF he did it was with weapons he got FROM you back in the 80s. Or is that selective memory acting up again? You need to straighten out your arguments they're horribly muddied. You use terms like "them" too much. Who's "them"? The 9/11 hijackers? Al Queda? The Taliban? The current insurrectionists? Pick one and be clear.

Pot. Kettle. Seriously, pay attention.

seriously...you suck at debating. The comment above says nothing.

Wow. Just wow. Honeslty, you have no clue at all, do you?

I'd be amazed if you could find your foot. Now you know what? I'm not going to bother about Canada because i don't care about a country that doesn't do anything and i have enough to respond to.

Again your level of arrogance and ignorance is staggering but I'm not surprised, you're a product of your environment. I wonder though, what the hell kind of 15 year old DOESN'T question authority anyway?

Here's a little recommendation for you: try THINKING once in a while. It may have escaped your notice but politicans as a species aren't very reliable. You might want to consider that maybe, just maybe they might have some other reason to do what they do besides general public welfare. Not that you COULD of course, being the pre-programmed right wing droid that you are. You're as bad as those left-wing zombie retards who seem to need to protest... oh EVERYTHING. Both extreme, both out of touch both dead wrong.

My first computer was a Commodore C64. You kids have no idea what "old" is.

At 7/14/05 12:56 PM, deadafterall wrote: If you aren't going to pay attention to the facts there's no point in trying to reason with you. Don't you think that with Durbans moronic statement may have sparked a deeper interest in Gitmo? That's why we had people go over there and see what was really happening. What's happening over there with the terrorists prisoners is much better when the terroritss get one of ours they always want to cut his head off...They are being fed better food then our troops, they are also gaining weight, the POWs practically have lawyers also, and the prisoners also spit and throw their bodily fluids on the gaurds. Lets not forget that we are also at war with these people so this is very lavish life comparitavley to a POW.

If there's a war on and those men are POWs, why doesn't the Geneva convention apply? Here's what you're not getting: just because the government says something is so doesn't make it necessarily so. It's called propaganda and it's universally used by both right and left to accomplish political aims.

That's why they like the liberals, because the conservatives always try to bring good, peace, and unity

Wait, who's in charcge now? And who decided to go to war? And that spreads peace and unity HOW?

Legistalture can only make laws, in the senate the liberals can always make a philibuster to stop something that the conservatives want and the supreme court can basically destroy the constitution. Liberals have such a pure hate for the conservatives that they are working with everything thing they've got to destroy them. Were as conservatives are trying to work with them and the liberals don't want it. That's part of the reason conservatives you don't hear conservatives bash liberals,

Conservatives NOT attack liberals? Pardon me while I piss myself laughing.

The liberals want to be agressive in hurting America, bashing the war, killing more of our troops, trying to destroy the conservative and republican party. You got to wonder who is working for the greater good.

Conservatives SENT those troops over there to die and they're the ones keeping them in the field. 90% of liberal groups are lobbying to bring those troops home by any means necessary and they are ignored.

Listen, i am speaking my mind right now right? With the conservatives accutally in government they aren't. But i freaking swear if i was in government I would stand up and return fire to the liberals. Conservatives though aren't speaking their mind because they're trying to work with liberals like i said above. The liberals though are really working with that freedom of speech thing by bashing our troops and demeaning them.

Yeah, real shame about that whole "freedom" thing. Someone should really work at abolishing that so people can only speak in a governmentally sanctioned fashion.

All right, listen to me hear and acctually listen. I may have said that Iraq was involved with 9/11, i may have made that slip. But with Saddams you can not deny the fact <-----notice "fact" that Saddam did train house and support terrorists.

Actually I can because it's a fact he did not have anything to do with 9/11 or the terrorists involved. That was Osama, the Saudis, the Taliban and Afghanistan. Christ it was FOUR years ago, it shouldn't be that hard to look up.

Since he helped out terrorists he is part of the enemy on the war on terror, because he is helping terror. I've been dumbing it up for so much what do you not understand? Saddam help terrorist, Saddam helping them spread terror, Saddam bad because he's helping the bad guys. What don't you understand and what Saddam did has been proven. If you can't get the whole thing that it is true documented fact that Saddamn helped terrorists...there's no point in arguing because you won't listen. If you look at my responses you can see that i read your comments and then responded to them. For you it seems that you disregard things i'm saying.

Pot. Kettle. Seriously, pay attention.

And kid, as far as Canada is concerned, don't even bother. You clearly know fuck all about your own country don't pretend for a second to know a damn thing about mine. I'd be amazed if you could find it on a map.

At 7/14/05 05:42 AM, Child_of_Hatred wrote: Christ, I ask for some advice and have people being jackasses, what kind of place lets this happen?

The NG BBS. Welcome!

You want advice? Here you go: You're 15 years old, you don't know shit about shit and you will grow out of it. You're NOT unique, you're NOT the only who ever felt like that and you're sure as hell NOT going to find any sympathy around here. Good day.

At 7/14/05 05:25 AM, -LazyDrunk- wrote: Quit picking on the poor bastard, dammit.

You know, you're right, I really should.

At 7/13/05 01:26 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Specualting if the events in the Bible are based on UFO encounters is senseless. You can never prove anything, so there is no point in trying.

Isn't that kina the whole point of speculation? Examining ideas that might be impossible to prove but are otherwise interesting in their own right? Just a thought.

Damn internet went down on me... oh well

At 7/14/05 03:57 AM, deadafterall wrote: He didn't say he was wrong, and he was because for the last freaking IT'S BEEN PROVEN!!!!!!!!!!!

Proven... by whom? The very people running the camp? You don't think they might want to paint themselves in a slightly better light? Sounds reminiscent of some other camps I heard about, if only I can remeber when... As for the media, you're right they NEVER attack liberals. Why during the Clinton era we never heard a peep about Whitewater, or his extramarital affairs or the impeachment process. Nope, not a word.

No they don't because i hear the truth and i speak my mind. Plus that statement doesn't mean anything because you are repeating yourself. These terrorists are dangerous. They can attack without warning, very frightening if you ask ME! i am defending the war because if we don't attack them they will attack us.

News flash: they're going to attack you ANYWAY. It's kinda what they do, being terrorists and all. And you don't "hear truth" yo uhear what conservative mouthpieces tell you and accept it as truth because you probably think questioning it is unamerican, unpatriotic and a bunch of other nonsense. I'm begining to wonder if you actually are a robot...

The supreme court still means a lot! Checks and Balances moron! You pay attention in Civics? Legistlature can only go so far. The supreme court decides weither something is constitutional or not. Thus liberals can shoot down anything that the conservatives want. Also they have shown great power through the supreme court already with their 5-4 decisons.

A cursory glance at my profile will inform you of a simple fact: I'm not an american, so intimate knowledge of your governmetal structure is not at hand, however I don't think it's a stretch to say that when one part controls three out of four branches of government they can pretty much do as they please.

What is that supposed to mean? We're helpless? Well in fact we slowly are becoming that but we aren't babies. That remark brings no intelligent argument. Act a little more knowledgeable.

WOOSH. That's the sound of my point passing directly over your head. Here's what you said "with their comments to Bush, the war, and America hurt the people in what they say." And here's my point: grow some fucking testicles. You're allowed to say whatever you want in a democracy whether or not it hurts other people's feelings, political figures images or the image of the country as a whole. It's called "freedom of speech" you should look into it.

Additionally, based on your other statements, the terrorists were mostly Saudis who were trained in part at least in america. Iraq is in no way connected to the 9/11 events, your hero Mr. Bush has said so himself, if you don't believe me you can check.

At 7/14/05 03:37 AM, deadafterall wrote: BS!!! You must have listened to his fact apology! His original statement he CLEARLY said that these WERE HAPPENING!

And we'll never know if they are or they aren't now will we? His apology had more to do with saving his political ass than it had anything to do with sincere regret.

Bush, because of 9/11. Does that mean nothing to you? That these people acctually took down two major buildings and that man people died? THESE TERRORISTS ARE DANGEROUS! WE HAVE TO KILL THEM!

And that's it, you just accept that at face value and question nothing? They love people like you in communist and totalitarian states.

Their last stand, the Supreme Court, right now they own that. That's why there's the huge battle over the next judge because the supreme court is their last stand! If they lose this then they don't have much.

Whoopidie-fucking-do. So by your reasing, the fact republicans don't have ABSOLUTE power but a mere 75+% of it means they're somehow vulnerable to the evil, evil democrats who want nothing more than to destroy the system that sustains them? Wow, I feel totally enlightened! Thank you for making that so crystal clear!

But conservatives, for some reason, won't stand up and state the evilness of liberals, which i have explained already...Also with their comments to Bush, the war, and America hurt the people in what they say.

Aw, did they hurt their little feelings? Poor conservatives, have a cookie and some warm milk and a blankie. Shhh, shh.. it'll be all right.. shh...

At 7/14/05 03:03 AM, deadafterall wrote: Durban saying that we are treating POW like the Nazis did and what not which was proven wrong and those POWs acctually are gaining freaking weight!

I should really butt out of this but faced with such blatant ignorance I feel a burning need to remain. Now pay attention: Durban's statement was his OPINION. He FELT based on his own observations and things that he was told that such was the case. His observations may have been incorrect. The things he was told could have been lies.
That's not the point. And let's be honest here, there's no way any of us can actually know what's really going on at Gitmo because we're never going to get to see it. The point is what are those people doing there in the first place? And who put them there? And why? Think about that for a while.
While you're at it, think about this: The democrats do not have the house or the senate or the presidency. They have almost no power whatsoever to dictate policy in the US. So, pray tell, how exactly can they be "ruining america" when they have no means to do so?

At 7/14/05 02:55 AM, deadafterall wrote: Also with conservatives they bring a better moral beliefs that would stabialize the country more

Yes, because it's working fantastically well for them so far...

Someone stole my " 's" dammit!

Whoops! Mild bout of dislexia! But for those who actually don't know:

misogynist

n : a misanthrope who dislikes women in particular [syn: woman hater]

At 7/14/05 02:30 AM, Death_Cannon wrote:

At 7/14/05 02:26 AM, capn_g wrote: up your own mind instead of behaving like a robot awaiting programming.

I love this statement because most teachers brainwash children in this country by slipping liberal ideas into their lesson plans now so they cant make up their own minds.

That would be where the not behaving like a robot part comes in. But it's too late for this kid, he's been hardwired. "OMFG! Liberals are teh evil!!!" Yeah... because it's just that simple. Fuck me, when did they start replacing brains with dead rats?

At 7/14/05 01:42 AM, alpha_ranga wrote: girls think they are too superior jus cause we act like gentleman.

The thing about that is, to be a gentleman and be appreciated the girl in question has to be a lady. You know, a girl with some class? What, in the old days, was referred to as "breeding". Most girls nowadays fit in a spectrum that runs from vapid whore to ignorant slut with a mid-point of spoiled bitch. Don't complain about a lack of real men if you're not a real woman.

And if any of you girls out there think that mysoginist; fuck you, you earned it. Try not behaving like a human kleenex to be cummed in and disposed of and maybe you'll garner some respect.

At 7/14/05 02:13 AM, deadafterall wrote: listen to an a.m. conservative radio station and they will tell you the truth, give true facts, and tell you what the liberals are doing that is destroying America.

And you don't think that perhaps there might be a teeny tiny smidge of an agenda or a bias there? Try listening to both liberal and conservative views and making up your own mind instead of behaving like a robot awaiting programming.

At 7/13/05 11:46 PM, Ruination wrote:

At 7/13/05 11:41 PM, capn_g wrote: Various poignant statements.

Bravo... I mean seriously, Bravo.

Thank you, I do what I can.

At 7/13/05 11:31 PM, Robert_Leone wrote:

Umm.... Nostradamus?

Yet people call him a hack and a quack and hes been at this since thousands of years ago and hes right all the time..

No, he isn't, that's kind of the point. You see, Nostradamus wrote his "prophecies" as poems, in code, in medieval French. That means that, using liberal translations and various assumptions and by reading specific quatrains and ignoring others, you can basically attribute ANYTHING to Nostradamus and claim he predicted it. Serious analysis has shown that 99% of predictions attributed to Nostradamus are either wrong, misinterpretations or outright fabrications. Everything else falls well within the realm of coincidence. In short, he didn't predict fuck all.

Yet another reason to be glad you don't bleed every 28 days or have to endure childbirth.

If men are pussies it's because you MADE US this way. Congratulations. Women's lib, women's rights, feminism, etcetera. All doing their part to castrate men and leave us as little more than workhorses dedicating to keeping your fat asses well stocked with haggen daas. And then you gripe about that too, not having equality in the workplace, so you put on man-style suits with shoulder pads and pretend to be men and abandon your femininty and strike out into the workplace. Good for you.

So shut up, girly girl. Seriously, shut the hell up. You have no clue how good you have it and you're actually COMPLAINING about it. If you're advocating we go back to a time when women were treated as little more than baby machines, that's your business. Here's an old adage for you to mull over: "A dog a woman and a walnut tree: the more you beat them, the better they be"