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At 12/30/06 09:25 PM, Serphyas wrote: How exactly is science a belief system? Rather than based on faith, it's built upon known and proveable facts. I fail to see where you're going with this, so please "explain" further, if only for my own sake.

I will explain this ONE more time. Why people can't read through a thread before responding is beyond me...

What you consider to be a "fact" is only factual as of right now. And while it's true that the scientific method has been refined over the centuries and many bad and assumptive practices have been weeded out, resulting in a more concrete understanding of the universe, the reality is we could be very wrong.

People used to state the earth was flat. STATE it, as a FACT. They were wrong. The truth is they BELIEVED the earth was flat because that's all they knew and it made sense to them. That's how science works. It's what makes sense based on what we know NOW. Science is the business of being wrong, you see. The only way scientist A can prove himself "right" is by creating an experiment that shows scientist B's theories don't pan out. Thus science continously eats itself, consuming old obsolete knowledge in favour of newer, more accurate understanding.

The danger lies in not realizing this process is continous. To believe, as those people who lived on the "flat" earth did, that all that we know is just about all there is that needs knowing. There is no status quo. So, to argue that those who cling to superstition and religion are fools because they believe in things unprovable is hypocritical because to put all one's faith (...? Trust? Belief? You see, even our language cannot reconcile this) in science is put one's faith in things which will be disproven by future generations.

At 12/30/06 09:02 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: So it would be a bit of an insult to squander it, just because I don't beleive in what I think is a fictional character. How silly would that be!?

About as silly as assuming your life has any "value" to "squander".

The weakness, Musician is that you BELIEVE in science. It's a faith of sorts. Much more grounded and practical than any dogmatic, superstitious religion but a belief system none-the-less. You cannot declare "Science is truth" because it's only truth until someone proves it's not.

Hahahaha! Dance puppets, dance! How easily you jump when I throw the weakness of your arguments back in your faces.

Hypocrite? I don't remember subscribing to either side of this argument. On the contrary, I've taken the position that BOTH sides are wrong. It's no fun debating the religious types though, they just come back with something ridiculous about going to hell or worse yet, promise to pray for my soul...

I've already stated why I haven't killed myself (yet). Pay attention.

At 12/30/06 08:39 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: The fact that we only have one life, rather than eternity in heaven or hell, makes it more special.

Such arrogance. You're not special, no one's special. The fact that you're you instead of any of the millions of other sperm and ova that could've been combined makes you and each and every one of us a random, abberant, coincidental anomaly. There's nothing ordained or significant about it. You are born, you will ive and then you will die as have countless generations before you, as will countless generations beyond. Special?! It's POINTLESS. Merely the mechanics of evolution propogating the human genome down through history, a mere link in the chain, a tiny pebble on the cosmic highway. I spit on your egotistical viewpoint.

At 12/30/06 08:30 PM, Mr-Pope wrote: Is that the only reason you haven't topped yourself then? Cos you think there might be a god? Because that would be pathetic.

Nope. Although there might be a god, I'm still alive because I'm a coward. Also, given the option of endless suffering or oblivion, I've chosen suffering because at least it's something. As I age however, I am re-evaluating this position.

What's your excuse?

Sorry, "doctor" but no. It's your bladder, filling with urine during the night, it applies pressure to the veins that feed into the penis, meaning more blood tends to go in then comes out, hence captain woody. It's basic biology.

At 12/30/06 07:14 PM, LinkSilvermane wrote: When the bloody hell did Christians strap bombs to their own children, in Israel and Palestine? And where, exactly, did they do that? Furthermore, where did you read or see any form of proof of that?

Northern Ireland. But I digress...

Here's the deal children: All science is mutable. What's proven fact today is tomorrow's quackery. Examples include the idea that the earth is flat, the we are the center of the universe, that the stars are held in place by crystal spheres and that having too much blood in your body is dangerous. All "scientific facts" in their time, all drastically incorrect.

Know what that means?

It means the science you cling to is a form of faith. It's an assumption that what you know today won't be proven wrong tomorrow. In fact, if current excercises in quantum theory pan out, then the universe is literally what we think it is.

Here's something else for you die-hard atheist types to consider: If there's no god and no here-after, why not kill yourself now? You're only going to grow old and ill, risk injury, face disappointment. I guarantee you life's ups in no way exceed or even equal life's downs. So, why stick around?

One more thing, whoever brought up that notion that America was founded on Christian principles, STOP THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW. That ridiculous mythology needs to be expelled. SOME of the founding father's were christians, MOST were NOT. Some were Deists, some secular humanists, many (including Washington) were Free Masons, devoted to a form of Gnostic mysticism. LEARN YOUR DAMNED HISTORY.

Nonsense. America is, was and ever shall be a plutocracy.

This is the silliest thread I've seen on here in a long time. Not funny, or humourous in any way, just silly.

At 12/22/06 04:56 PM, Platinum wrote: Is that buddha? I'm stupid.

Yes, you are. It's Ganesh, god of wisdom. You know... Ganesh?

Apu keeps one in the Quickie Mart?

Sigh........

All sex takes place in the brain, fapping doubly so. You're editing mentally all the time anyway, the airbrushing is just saving you effort (which considering the momentary blood loss, is appreciated).

This movie will blow goats. Mecahnized goats, made of ginsu knives. If you love transformers, you'll hate this.

At 12/20/06 02:32 AM, Hycran wrote: but as important as spawning thousands of other bugs that will die in 3 minutes, curing diseases and interplanetary space travel are PROBABLY more important

Only if they're successful. It's worth noting that humans have never actually traveled beyond our own planet (the moon is a satellite, it doesn't count) nor have we "cured" any disease, we've just devised ways to combat them, some successful, most not. 99% of the time we're just tripping the disease up and hoping the immune system will eventually get the upper hand. And to be fair, fruit flys live for two weeks.

At 12/20/06 01:46 AM, Sp00kyy wrote:

At 12/19/06 10:35 PM, capn-g wrote: Actually he's right but only in-so-much-as the importance of sex is grossly over-stated in our society. I mean think about, fruitflys can fuck. EVERYTHING fucks. It's just not that big a deal.

You, sir. OWN.

Yeah, it's this thing that I do, calling it like it is... most people don't appreciate it though, thanks.

At 12/20/06 01:06 AM, Hycran wrote: No it isnt. They are insects that live for all of several minutes. We are complex and evolving entities. Feel free to compare it to something remotely close, like a dolphin who is a mammal who has sex for pleasure.

High on humanity's horse, are we? If you're attempting to assign some "value" by which humans are higher and insects are lower, consider that insects were here before man and they'll be here after were gone and all our so-called advancements and "civilization" will be as dust, while the happy little fruit fly continues to live and fuck over our graves.

The point is sex isn't important. Fun, yes. Necessary, I suppose but important? No. However, if you'd like a mammalian comparison, how about chimpanzees? They fuck whenever they can, with whoever they can and it lasts about 8 seconds. It's meaningless to them.

There's been forced sterilization everywhere... but more to the point, you don't kill off the weak and infirmed because they're dying anyway. You keep them around and then study the ones that weather the illness to see how it progresses and try do devise a treatment based on the results. It's called "research".

At 12/19/06 10:39 PM, dropped wrote: You compare our existence to that of a....FRUIT FLY? WTF!?!?

They're animals, we're animals. The comparison is valid.

We fuck for pleasure as well as reproduction.

Fucking is pleasurable to ENABLE reproduction. If it was unpleasant, we wouldn't do it.

Fruit Flies fuck to reproduce. See the difference??

They still fuck. See the similarity?

We've already begun to modify our genome in ways we can't even properly percieve. By and large we're taller than we were 100 years ago, for instance. We're also becoming fatter, more sedintary and increasingly dependant on pharmaceuticals just to live. Most of our food is now processed and so divorced from it's point of origin that natural foods are becoming toxic.

I don't think I need to point out that these are not positive changes.

Actually he's right but only in-so-much-as the importance of sex is grossly over-stated in our society. I mean think about, fruitflys can fuck. EVERYTHING fucks. It's just not that big a deal.

This man is a moron. How do people like him remember to breathe in and out?

At 12/19/06 02:11 AM, cellardoor6 wrote: Kari from Mythbusters... I want to boink her, bad.

Man, I could bust her myth!

Yeah... I um, I got nothin'...

At 12/18/06 09:48 PM, fli wrote: But one fucking retard watches it and suddenly they thing they're an expert mother fucker on Bibles, Dinosaurs, and Hitler.

Well shit, you'd HAVE to be retarded to think like that....

Gotta watch the History cahnnel to become an expert on Hitler...

At 12/18/06 12:27 PM, Dre-Man wrote: If you call evolution fact, you truly are an idiot. Give me solid proof that evolution is fact and I'll call it fact, until then, pssh, screw it.

It's a fact. Bacterial and viral mutation are proof of evolution.

At 12/16/06 12:45 PM, Rego001 wrote: i gots a shotgun. i'd be alright

Unless they:

-beam the shotgun out of your hands
-vaporize your shotgun
-nullify the gunpowder
-simply vaporize you

All sex takes place in the brain.

At 12/15/06 11:29 PM, Miikro wrote: it's only so dark because you're wearing your sunglasses at night.

It's necessary. Future's so bright...

It's simple: everything's been done. Seriously. Until someone invents a new instrument, there's not going to be any real change in music. The last big change in the music scene came in the lat 70s early 80s. Why? One word: synth. Since then it's all be redo, rehash, rerecord. Why do you think there's so much cross-pollenation going on in music nowadays? Mozart in rap songs, operatic metal, country and rock with friggin ballet! They've completey emptied the idea jar.

So if you like a genre, there'll be plenty of new stuff to hear... but it'll pretty much always be more of the same.

SIMPLICITY.

Nothing is more of a turn off than when it feels like you or your significant other are trying way too hard to make something happen. If it will, it will, if it won't, it WON'T.

Go hardcore and try to find the ORIGINAL serires with Jack Palance.

He's dead you know... believe it... or not!

Senate.