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Would the Palestinians really have been in a better situation if Israel had never been created? My case for comparison is the people of Lebanon. I could only have seen Palestine been the pawn of one of the other Arab states i.e. Syria or Egypt being ruled by either and Islamist regime or some form of dictatorship.

Out of the main political parties I'd have to say these days that the Liberal Democrats are your best bet for a party with pre-dominantly leftward leanings.

Anarchy is worse than Communism... it truly is the worst from of governance.

I think one of the main problems is the Jews as a people tend to be a very insular society. We see what happens in Britain when Muslims tend to congregate into their own communities i.e. The Bradford Riots.

Throughout history they tend to be the go-to guy for getting the blame for whatever bad is happening in the country at the time (Plague, Failing Economy etc.) because they had no state of their own they had no-one sticking up for them. Easy targets...

Look throughout history the most dominant country at the time is usually the most hated one.

You can't please everybody and ultimately said country will always look after themselves above all other countries hence the hatred from smaller less influential countries who would rather be getting their own way. I.e. being able to look after their own self interest.

Might makes Right.

At 6/19/04 02:27 PM, xsmorrisx wrote: 1)Do you know what the Constitution is about?

Yes

2)What is your view on it?

It will enable a 25 state EU to be run more effectively.

At 6/16/04 12:12 AM, SKUNKbrs wrote: I heard turn-out was pretty disapointing re: the vote for EU parliament members, hmm?

Sadly yes.... It was just below 40%
The lowest turnout was recorded in the newest members!
Go figure

Bush sux

At 6/14/04 06:35 AM, jonthomson wrote: What, both of them? :-)

Hmmm.... if you say so. At least I know the pro-Europeans aren't scard of the BIG BAD NASTY men in Europe. I mean seriously all you anti-Europeans must have some kinda control issues.

I can't believe UKIP did so well this is indeed a sad day for all Pro-Europeans in this country.

At 6/11/04 09:58 PM, Brown_Hat wrote: Didn't Hitler order the execution of "useless eaters" before beginning his gassing spree against the Jews?

Hitler killed disabled people I'm only advocating killing psycopaths who cannot be cured.

At 6/11/04 01:53 PM, I7I2-3-I7I7 wrote: *decides not to raise the issue of cost-driven euthanasia* --oops./

LOL Here is a casy study for ya!
It supports my programme 100%!

Just wondered I had a bet it that it didn't mean anything.

At 6/10/04 01:40 PM, ReiperX wrote: I used to think along the same lines, but someone did some research for me and showed that generally an execution costs more money. I'll find hte sources if I can find them for ya.

Yeah that would be great it might reinforce my case.

Bum after his 9 DAY exodus returns.....
Welcome back you big attention whore!

At 6/11/04 09:08 AM, -theFUNK- wrote: You can't just be bitter about the Republican's tactics, you've gotta fight fire with fire!

Quick kill Clinton to bolster support for the Democrats!

At 6/10/04 12:55 PM, bombkangaroo wrote: those buildings bear an eery resemblence to british council flats...

Looks its Wrexham! LOL That's eerie....

Sadly I fear it would get spammed to hell.
This sorta of serves the purpose. It would be nice to get a forum smilar to that though yeah. Maybe call it "Debate" or something.

If I was Pimp:
I'd find where humantarget52 lives
Tie him up to a pole for three days while I deposit
Gain lvl30!

Poor little kitty...
But still plenty of cats eyes in the road right? Right?

At 6/9/04 05:17 PM, SKUNKbrs wrote:.

Who knows? A capital punishment trial usually costs more than life imprisonment. Psychiatrists are paid a lot more than acouple nursing aids.

The trial would cost more yes but keeping a prisoner alive for 70+ years can't be as expensive as a one-off execution can it?

At 6/10/04 12:44 AM, FatherVenom wrote: I named my stomach virus Allen.

Yay! That's my second name!
I love having a virus named after me.

At 6/9/04 04:39 PM, JackOfShadow wrote: Not braging or anything just pointing it out, it was a six days war.

LOL yeah sorry six days war.
Got so angry I forgot my facts! oh well.....

I <3 being a regular who nobody has heard of!

At 6/9/04 04:10 PM, BearFrog wrote: So if the family wants their family member to live, the government will "He's useless, so he has to die."

Gee, this sounds like a great idea...

Tell that to the people who have to have their life support machines turned off. We can't keep people alive indefinately you know there is a cut-off point....

At least I don't equate Israel to Nazi Germany!

At 6/9/04 04:13 PM, SKUNKbrs wrote: What is the point of this? These people are already locked away. The amount spent on them is miniscule, who knows if this psychiatrict board would even cost more?

It is doubtful that a psychiatrict board would cost more than feeding and the 24 hour care needed to keep the psycopaths off the street and from maiming and hurting each other.

That is a decision, however.

What's the point of doing this?

It is the same as aborting foetuses who may suffer grievous disfigurement if they are born. They have no quality of life and willl remain in the institution until they die. Wouldn't it be more caring to kill them and thus end their suffering?

At 6/9/04 01:50 PM, BearFrog wrote: All of you know about the tiny nation of Israel. Israel, the tiny and weak ally of the U.S. that was formed after WWII. Israel, the jewish nation. Israel, the nation that is slowly turning into Nazi Germany.

Hardly weak it managed to beat most of the Middle East in the seven days war.

Yes, you heard me right. Israel is becoming just like Nazi Germany, only this time the jewish people are in power and the palestinians are being oppressed.

No it isn't. Hmm.. lemme see 6 million Jews gassed on the one hand, a few Palestinian stone-throwers shot. I don't see much of a comparison there do you?

Let me explain:
The land where Israel sits today was originally ruled by the jewish people. Then it got taken over many, many times until eventually the nation of Palestine was formed. It was a fairly decent nation where both jewish people and muslims lived fairly peacefully.

It was not a fairly decent nation it was oppressive and religious intolerance was rife just like most muslim theocracys.

Cue World War II. Hitler takes over Palestine as one of Germany's many territories. After the war, the Allies are left with all the land. Because of the Holocaust, many people were trying to get a Jewish state created. The country who was backing this the most was the United States. Soon the land that was once Palestine was now called Israel again and put under a jewish government.

Hitler DOESN'T take over palestine this is the jurisdiction of Vichy France from 1940-1941 until the British take it over. Secondly it wqas the British government who supported the creation of Israel originally and NOT America.

Immediatly muslim nations begin to attack the country, as it was put in the worst possible place for a jewish nation. However, Israel survived. They also began oppressing their muslim population, known as Palestinians.

Yes this is true as the Middle Eastern countries do not even RECOGNISE Isreal as a sovereign state. But still Isreal kept all the powers at bay and won concessionf rom them in the 1967 war. Second they were not oppressed originally this was only after the Intifada ordered by the PLO a recognised terrorist organisation.

The Palestinians cannot build their own houses, even out of mud, or they will be torn down. They have no civil rights, and Israel is purposely starving them, thus killing them slowly. They'll shoot a three year old muslim because he might have a pebble or two in his hand. That's how Nazi Germany was. Then the camps were made.

I sincerely doubt you would see the entire Palestinian population starve. Let's not forget there's always Jordan to live in next door. Or perhaps the Jordanians are happy not to take the people in. What are you talking about with the camps? tThere was widespread persecution against the Jews throughout Germany for no good reason whatsoever. None of them were terrorists.

A holocaust survivor complained to the U.N. about this and said he was ashamed of his people. I think that is a sign to stop doing that. The U.S. , however, acts like Israel is a poor and weak country that is being attacked by evil terrorists.

Good for him. I still don't undestand this "poor and weak" argument either. If they were that poor and weak they wouldn't still be here would they.

The "terrorists" are fighting an oppressive government the only way they know how, even if that means suicide bombings. Don't get me wrong, I don't support Bin Laden either as I think killing people is wrong, but I don't think the U.S. should team up with dictatorship because of fear of breaking old alliances (something Washington warned us of) or just because we want oil (Iran...we saw how well that worked, didn't we?).

Again you are wrong. They are only responding in the same way any country would like the UK did with the Northern Ireland troubles with heavy-handedness. Isreal most certainly is not a dictatorship I have no idea what agve you that idea. Yes allying with the Shah was a bad idea but then you shouldn't have supported the revolution in the first place should you?

If you look back in U.S. history, you'll find that we teamed up with the bad guys for our own selfish reasons. We are a freaking superpower and shouldn't have to stoop so low, yet we do.

Hmm.... couldn't have anything to do with supporting the only democracy in the Middle East could it? Or stopping the Soviets from complete domination of the Middle East?

So, what are your comments on this subject?

There you go.

I don't know I've never lived in a "rebublic" so I wouldn't know.

At 6/9/04 03:42 PM, SKUNKbrs wrote: Define 'uncurable', and who decides?

Uncurable = They will not recover from a condition which will either make them want to maim of kill, ammoral or a condition where they do not even know they exist.

Who Decide = A panel of the finest psychiatrists in the country who will make the decision. The family could of course appeal but I doubt they would be able to back it up with convincing evidence.

What I am basically saying is the same as the reason they turn off life support in cases of people becoming vegetables. They have zero quality of life but they COULD be kept alive. Just like psycopaths who will not improve.

At 6/9/04 02:35 PM, ReiperX wrote: Why stop there? Why not kill all people that have any kind of disability?

I knew I'd get this bullshit. Did I say that? Disabled people can be fully functioning members of society. Psycopaths however will never be and are merely a threat to society why bother keeping them alive if they are not going to get better?