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It's all a matter of where your beliefs lie. In reality, we cannot prove nor disprove either theory. If one believes that science is the be all end all tool of the universe then they tend to believe the cut and dry form of evolution. If someone believes the bible word for word, then they tend to believe in strict creationism. Those who are somewhere in between usually tend to have a dual theory of some sort, where evolution is included in what the bible says or something along those lines.

All of these theories are valid, and none are proof. If anyone can PROVE to me that we came from monkeys without the help of a devine being I will fully accept evolution as the only option. If anyone can prove that evolution is just a slice of bologna on this sandwich of life, than I will go for strict creationism, but until then I'll keep my mind clear and my eyes open, just as every who claims the KNOW what happened should do.

At 8/20/06 12:40 PM, bradford1 wrote:

At 8/20/06 07:55 AM, YankeeFli wrote:

And you don't see art students bringing in money and oppurtunity for the school compared to football, baseball or basketball.

Schools aren't private businesses, their purpose is to educate students. Sports don't have any role in this purpose.

Though I do agree that sports have too much emphasis placed upon them, I must disagree in the idea that sport have no role in the education process. Sports teach hard work, team work, leadership, and they give many of the students, who would otherwise fall through the cracks, a real reason to go to school and try.

Ah yes, the Mod chimes in just in time to further the topic.

Back to the topic. Der, What do you think is a good usage of 9-11 and what isn't, or do you think that there is an improper way to talk about the event at all?

At 8/20/06 12:00 PM, JoS wrote:

At 8/19/06 07:54 PM, CyanClock wrote:

At 8/16/06 01:53 PM, JoS wrote: What makes a reporter qualified to decide what should and shoudlnt be published.

Wow. Are you serious? How about The Constitution of the United States of America?

Hey dipshit, I don't live in the United States of America, I live in Canada. And your quote still doesn't answer the question. What makes a reporter qualified to decide what classified material can safely be published and what cannot?

Nothing. According to Schenck v. the US no average citizen has the right to decide what can or cannot be said when it comes down to matters of security and national stability.

At 8/20/06 11:55 AM, Der_Pandar wrote: You talk about people not knowing what they're saying, yet you have no fucking clue, either.

Ironically, that enchances the point I was making even more.

At 8/20/06 11:50 AM, Der_Pandar wrote: Actually, the Declaration of Independence wasn't signed until the 2nd of August, when delegates took their leisurely time adding their names. The 4th of July had nothing to do with the signing of the Declaration, but the ratification by the Second Continental Congress.

Tie this back in to the topic.

At 8/20/06 11:46 AM, Der_Pandar wrote:

At 8/20/06 11:44 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 8/20/06 11:27 AM, Der_Pandar wrote:

What happened on July 4th, 1776?

Let me see your answer first.

So you don't know? I see. That was an awful attempt at dodging the question.

That wasn't the purpose of the question. The answer is blindingly simple. The Declaration of Independence was signed, Nothing more, nothing less. The purpose fo the question is to see what else other pople put into it because they don't know.

The Average American would say "that was when we defeated the British, right?"

At 8/20/06 11:27 AM, Der_Pandar wrote:

What happened on July 4th, 1776?

Let me see your answer first.

Damn you're hopped up on nonexistent idealism, you act like this has never happened before, and that the entire history of America was all liberty and roses before September '01.

Hehe, I'm smarter than that. I don't think that America was all happy and fun then came the 9-11 attacks and the world stopped. That's what I don't like. I don't care how the world was before, I just don't want people to misuse a tragic event for their own gain. I remember when it happened. I'll never forget that morning day or night, hell being an aspiring architect at the time I had payed a lot of attention to those buildings, and when they were gone it felt like a part of me had been taken away. Yet, unlike other people, I in now way, use the tragedy for personal gain. I don't use it as an excuse to send the military wherever I please, or as an excuse to invade privcy. I don't use it as a ploy to guilt people into shopping with me, or to create a false sense of caring to entice people to shop with me. I don't use people's deaths in a maudlin sense to make people watch my movie. I sure as hell don't use it as an excuse to say why anybody who disagrees with my other political views is anti-american.

Why don't we just put bilboards on the Statue of Liberty?

I personally do not think Israel is wrong for reacting. They had more than enough disturbance to react, but not all reactions are the same.

If someone heckles you contantly on the street do you:
A: Tell him go to to hell
B: Show him the pavement
C: Pull out a gun and shoot him

A=Ideal, but impractical as it won't get results
B=Optimal, It may be slightly rough but Mr. Heckle will get the point and will not do it again
C=Way out there, sure Mr. Heckle will learn his lesson, but in order to teach him you have now become worse than he was

Now Place Israel in this situation. They could have tried to talk, which is all nice and good, but any idiot knows that woulnd't accomplish much. They SHOULD have taken a much lighter action, like a small incursion or somethinhg else, possibly waited for international support or something else. The full scall attack on Lebanon was way too much given the situation.

At 8/20/06 11:08 AM, Der_Pandar wrote: Check the idealism with the liquids and gels, because when the buildings come down idealism does little against responsible security.

OK. If you don't care about freedom go live in a place like China. You'll be secure but good luck doing what you please and being free.

I personally prefer to enjoy what it means to be an American, to be free. I don't care if there is an increase .001% chance of me dying.

At 8/20/06 11:07 AM, Der_Pandar wrote: Thank God we had the good sense to forget things like Independence Day and Lincoln's Birthday, or those might have been cheapened, too. Right, Camaro? Just like V-J Day. Whenever that was.

Independence Day and Lincoln's Birthday have become nothing more than an excuse. One being an excuse to blow things up and the other an excuse to get off of work. Ask the Average person what exactly happened on July 4th 1776 and they will have no idea. Ask the average person what Lincolns greatest achievement is and I'll guarantee you they will get it wrong (though this question is a tricky one.)

I never meant that everyone should just keep their mouths shut about it like it never happened. I just want the politicians to stop talking about it, using it as legitimization for whatever they feel like. I want Companies to stop pandering fake sympathy about it in order to get us to shop with them. I don't want movies to be pandering braindead maudlin accounts of the events of that day. I sure as hell want the pundits on boths to just shut up in general, let alone talk about the events. 9-11 was a tragic day, and that is all I want it to be. I don't want it to be a balnk check for political mayhem or a commercial. When I hear the term 9-11 I cringe, because I know what is going to follow is shallow and a waste of my time.

I know that if I die in a tragic event I sure know that Iwant subway to make money off of it. Damn straight.

At 8/20/06 10:58 AM, Der_Pandar wrote: Yay completely railroading the Constitution.

Elaborate please.

At 8/20/06 11:05 AM, Der_Pandar wrote: It takes people to run it. Living people. If people of Arab descent have to spend an extra 5 minutes at the airport because the majority of terrorist attacks worldwide come from people of Arab descent, I don't lose sleep over it. I would expect the same of any group if a significant portion of any hostile action were taken by them. Hell, no one complains when police sweep blacks for guns and drugs at concerts, and they're American citizens. I have no compunction about wasting the time of foreign nationals.

OK, if just living is all you want America to be about. But I seem to remember America being about freedom and Democracy, not giving up our lives just to make sure we can live one extra day.

At 8/20/06 10:59 AM, Der_Pandar wrote: Human life.

What about America?

There's a difference between not forgetting and getting it shoved down my throat. Ok, it happened, we got knocked down, got up again and showed our character. And then we started to overreact and now I just want people to sghut up about it. Every time a politician, a TV show, a Movie, a journalist mentions 9-11 it cheapens the event. We might as well make liscence plates and souviniers saying "I survived 9-11!" The event, because of the dead horse beating it has recieved, is now equal to the thursday night lineup on UPN.

Let's leave it alone for its own sanctity. Never forget, but for the love of god, don't cheapen it.

Everyone who is for the profiling, tell me, what are you trying to protect?

At 8/18/06 08:26 PM, o_r_i_g_i_n_a_l wrote: What a fucking great idea?Ewho cares if the pilot actually wants the use of a gun?Eand lets forget for a moment the little thing called EXPLOSIVE DECOMPRESSION.

Giving a pilot a gun is a great idea.

Explosive decompression caused by a gunshot is a myth. It took the entire cockpit door coming off of Aloha Flight 243 for the plane to explosively decompress, And the steel on that plane was exceptionally weak.

Hey, how's about we put a camera in extremewookie's bathroom and post it on the net in the name of making sure he isn't hiding coke in his corn-hole.

And then after that we can put a hidden camera in his parents' bedrrom to make sure his mom doesn't cry out any anti-american screams while she has sex.

Why don't we abolish ALL clothes completely, that would solve the problem.

Or Hey! Why don't we just roll over and die and say to the terrorists "You've won! We're so fucknig scared we're willing to let some fat greasy old man see us naked everytime we go to the airport."

Terrorists 1
Courage and freedom 0

At 7/17/06 10:39 AM, Wyrlum wrote: Well, that is true. But this new kind of terrorism has sure started a lot of conflicts recently.

What 'new kind' of terrorism?

At 7/17/06 11:33 AM, 4aces wrote: seriously?-i can easily meet that...not that it's of matter-this morning my mom freaked and decided to leave for jerusalem(me and my dad later calmed her down..)-it took us 1 hour to pack,and it takes about an hour to reach tel-aviv(which is more than the distance they had to go..)

How many people live in Beirut? 2+ million? Okey Dokey. 1 family trying to leave Jerusalem can pack and leave in 2 hours. 2 million people trying to leave Beirut would probably take 5 days to a week. Did no one learn anything from Katrina? You cannot evacuate a major city in less than a day. New Orleans' residents had at least a day to leave, and even then it got clogged and not many could acctually get out. On top of the the New Orlenas area has only about 1 million residents. 2 hours is no where near enough time to have people leave.

At 7/17/06 11:25 AM, red_dot999 wrote: none of this ever would have happen if only einstein had accepted the offer to be the first prime minister of Israel, he was a pasifist so he'd have stoped some of those wars the arabs were angry about

What? What does that have to do with anything?

ALL indoor smoking in public places has been banned here, even in bars. On top of that you can't smake within 25 feet of an entrance or window of a public building.

Thank god for this. I don't care if one smokes but don't stink me up with your bad habit.

At 7/14/06 03:02 PM, -Akula- wrote: What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Does it matter? Regardless of who did what first there is still a way for Israel to be the better coutnry and try to end it like a civilized adult, not an angry little child with and inferiority complex. I have enough respect for Israel to expect BETTER from it.

At 7/14/06 02:52 PM, -Akula- wrote: They do live in fear.

Does that all give you the right to go tromping around the middle east blowing up everything you see? Maybe there's a reason people are firing missiles. Maybe there's a solution to this problem. Blowing up buildings will not stop people from blowing up buildings, all Israel is doing is killing. Regardless of who or why it is wrong.

At 7/12/06 09:54 AM, Naoki09 wrote: Oh you are from Israel. Well back in the states, most of us support you. Bomb those palestinian jerks.

Not really. Most Americans, think both Israel and Palestine deserve to get their asses spanked. Israel is just as ruthless toward the rest of the arab world as the arab world is toward it. Both sides are evil.

At 7/12/06 09:42 AM, AccessCode wrote: Well, you didn't have 2 planes crash into major buildings and kill 3000 people now did you.

Haha, you act as if no other country has had any hardships but us. Get over it! It was 5 years ago, nothing has happened since, and nothing will. The 9-11 attacks don't give us free reign to whip it out all around the world.

At 7/12/06 12:33 AM, -Thestalos- wrote: someone who rapes and kills dosent deserv rights,

In my opinion, someone who denies others' rights based on an unproven act do not deserve rights.

We capture; they are innocent.
We hold them and indicte them; they are innocent.
they are beign tried; they are innocent.
They are convicted, accquitted or let off; only now can they be guilty.

Let's stick with the innocent until proven guilty ideal and then if we prove one to be guilty of murder and rape, then we take away their rights, but not all of them. I mean come on, who do you think we are? Rapists and murderes? We're better than that.

At 7/12/06 01:28 AM, -Thestalos- wrote:

At 7/12/06 01:24 AM, Camarohusky wrote: stuff

my history teacher now tell me

That response proves it perfectly. Americans as a people want to stick their hands in the rest of the world's business while telling the rest of the world to keep the hell out of our business. All the while we don't know dick about any other countries and when -someone calls us on it we act like little snotty smart-assed brats.

and to answer the questions:
-Most Americans can't even speak one language correctly, let alone any others.
-tokyo, beijing, pyongyang, seoul
-it means that the defenders all ran past the striker causing him to be offsides
-China
-cretain, martin, blair, koizumi, fox (he may be a lame duck, but he's still there)

Most non Americans would get at least 2 of the last four right off the top of their heads, and would know more than 2 languages. That isn't to say they are any smarter, it just shows that they care what goes on in the world around them, whereas Americans don't.

At 7/12/06 01:25 AM, -Thestalos- wrote: Yeah too many people saying "we dont want war we rather let people bomb us and get away with it" or "No i dont wanna help other people screw them is their stupid problem"

Okey dokey, for starters... the "we dont want war we rather let people bomb us and get away with it" people were in full support of retaliating in Afghanistan. I risk saying this for the 1 billionth time, Iraq had nothing to do with any attack on the US.

secondly, If we feel that the world's well being is our business, why aren't there Americans in Darfur? Why do we let Israel and Palestine fight each other like dogs? Why do we conveniently look the other way in regards to the 700 million grotesquely poor people in India? Why don't we use American public money to reat the AIDS epidemic in Africa? And don't give me that we can only do one thing at a time bullshit. Iraqis under Saddam were a hell of a lot better off than any other people I just mentioned if were were to triple all of their holdings and good aspects of their lives.

At 7/12/06 01:22 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: If and when China cashes out its massive holdings in U.S. bonds, it has the potential to bring the entire national economy to a grinding halt.

Oh, but China knows better. They know it's in theri best interest to keep America and its endless wealth happy. So China will just keep on leeching and leeching until it feels it's time to threaten America, but it will never go through with it, China stands to lose a great deal if they drop America. I do not see China as being brazen enough to severely hurt itself just to knock America down.