http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/fairdealonfee s/

Tuition fees for students increased to £3,000 pa in 2006. The government has belatedly recognised the burden this places on undergraduates and is putting more generous loan/grant arrangements in place for those who begin their courses in 2008. Students who began their courses in 2006 and 2007, and who have to pay the higher tuition fees, will not benefit from the new funding arrangements. All students paying the increased tuition fees should be treated equally. The new funding arrangements should therefore be applied to all those who pay the higher fees.

If you agree with this, sign the petition, and post it on another board you frequent. You can copy and paste this entire paragraph and the link above, it says it all.

I think it's brilliant game. Leave it up.

At 11/18/06 04:39 AM, Camarohusky wrote: You run into several problems with what you just said there. For one, you have no idea whether they handcuffed that kid or not. Chances are they did. That does not mean that the kid won't be dangerous still. You watched the movie, that kid was very unruly and could have easily caused some serious damage, even with cuffs on. Even if he didn't cause damage with cuffs on he would cry brutality and all the same stuff. So they have two option, because they must remove the kid from the premise; he broke the law by tresspassing. One is to risk an extremely dangerous situation by trying to froce the kid out of the building manually, and have the kid claim brutality. The second is to taze the kid and take him out of the building harmlessly, while claiming brutailty. The police chose the better of to evils. That kid caused the problem and he faced the consequences for it.

Actually, further invesytigation, apparantly, revealed the kid was handcuffed after the second tasering. He may well cry brutality if he was cuffed, but I wouldnt' give a fuck. How on earth is tasing someone, and threatening to taze other students proper behaviour?

Threatening to tase other students who asked for their name/badge just goes to show what kind of people we're discussing here.

At 11/17/06 08:01 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: I think he deserves to pay the police for unnecessary mental anguish. Forcing the officers to taze him multiple times has left them feeling severe trauma from the incident. They are the victims here. Nobody should have to witness another person forcing others to taze them.

He didnt' force them to taser him, you dozy fuck, they tazered him because they could and they liked it and you know it as well as I do. They could just as easily have grabbed him, handcuffed him or anything - there were about 3 of them, and they were huge guys.

It's painfully obvious that you, as well as American-Rubbush, and Demonsthenz simply didn't like the guy because he shouted about the Patriot Act. It's disgusting that yout ook pleasure in watching a man being given pain. You're sick, sick people.

At 11/17/06 03:37 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: It's sad being unprepared can contribute to a scenario like this. In combination with being uncooperative... yeah.

It is sad that uncooperativity can seemingly be punished with 4 or 5 amazingly painful shots of a few thousand volts.

At 11/17/06 02:20 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: What medical condition do people have that isn't listed on thier insurance card?

Ah, fair call. We dont have medical insurance cards in the UK. Indeed, it would be noted on such a card if he did have one. Seemingly, he didn't.

What makes you think that? Honestly?

? Do YOU think that you'll be tasered today?

Handcuffing requires close proximity to the perp, and after they "GRABBED MY ARM!!!!!!!!!!!" he flipped out.

So BCC, how do you handcuff someone without touching them?

I'm a little confused by this. You dont. Once he flipped out after touching him, if you deem arrest or incapacitation is necessary, you touch him again, grab his arm again and clamp handcuffs on him.

At 11/17/06 01:49 PM, LazyDrunk wrote: Electric currents cause all muscles in the body to contract, after which, the muscles may feel fatigued. His legs would feel as though he'd climbed a few sets of stairs. He would be slightly short of breath, and most likely fully aware of his situation.

He had a medical condtition? Obviously it wasn't important enough to kept in his wallet for emergency purposes.

I'm just a little confused here. How does he keep a medical condition in his wallet? If you mean his student card, I'm sure he probably didn't THINK he'd be tasered today.

Why? Had they searched the man previously? Did they know his criminal record? Was there a warrant out for his arrest? Was he in a place he wasn't supposed to be in, and asked to leave multiple times preceding the videotaped incident?

Think about that one for a minute.

I should expect they didn't at all. But you can arrest someone without a warrent for someones arrest, and I'm sure there arent Handcuff warrents, are there? Handcuffing him would be a nice, easy way to resolve the situation without causing further pain to the guy, or further commotion and disturbance to the other students.

Yes, this is true. But disobeying multiple direct orders implies the person is anything but.

Did you have a point here? Shouting loudly means he's not dangerous, you've agreed to that, disobeying direct orders implies someone is being civilly disobedient. Handcuff him, not cause him pain.

They tasered him because they did not know if he was a threat. He could've had a blade on him, been on a pyschoactive drug, or a bum off the street looking for a good victim to mug.

I contest the officers were in their full rights to taser this menace to society.

Not as many times as they did, but the initial tasering followed by prompt submission should've been the routine. The fact the guy felt he needed to be a real prick about it just goes to show that cops are people too, who get fed up dealing with assholes who think they're above the system.

Honestly, a man who 'refuses to leave a libary' and 'shouts' is a menace now? Well, that blows all my opinions out of the water. Indeed, he could have been on drugs, had weapons on him, etc. But with his hands in cuffs, all those points would be moot. They could have searched him after they cuffed him.

Indeed, what does a person have to do to warrant the taser? Be unco-operative? Undoubtaly, the guy was being very uncoperative after the initial tasering, as we cen see in the video. Before the first tasering, he must either have been violent, or not violent. Only if the police officers were concerned for their safety should they have initially tasered him, you and I both dont have a clue weather the initial tasering was justified or not (we werent there). However, we appear to be in agreement that the subsequent ones werent.

They're only human. You can find fault here wherever you look, but the fact remains that local city authorities shouldn't have been needed for this punk to play by the rules. For everyone's safety.

It seems completely understandable.

Putting myself in both their shoes, the perp and the cops, I'd align more with the cops sense of duty (and subsequent taser frenzy) than with an antongonizing little punk with an agenda.

But that's just me.

I feel that I, myself would have done what they said much more quickly than this guy. But you cant argue that, with the option of handcuffing or tasering, they chose tasering. It's not hard to handcuff someone, I'm sure, if he's lying on the ground, and you have multiple police officers around him. The guy was being an idiot. Does being an idiot warrent the repeat infliction of pain to cause compliance, rather than equally plausible non-painful methods?

At 11/17/06 01:10 PM, LazyDrunk wrote::

Energy to scream that loud about something usual means you've got enough energy to obey a police order.

Or did that seem completely legit to you?

I am unaware of the effects of tasers on the muscular structure of the legs and torso. I should imagine it's not favourable. They shouldn't have tasered, they should have handcuffed. Shouting loudly does not imply someone is dangerous. Tasering someone whos only crime was to forget his ID, and then reportedly be an idiot about it isnt right. Handcuff them, remove them, give them a night in the cells, but to intentionally cause pain, multiple times?

Does that seem completely lefit to you?

At 11/17/06 12:32 PM, LazyDrunk wrote::

Reprimand the officers for not simply shackling him and carrying him out, lock the kid up on each charge the cops filed.

"Shouting about the Patriot Act" is a crime now? Is "being a bit annoying" also a crime? Nice country.

What exactly is the situation here? He was asked to leave a University Library or something, and got tazered? What exactly could he have been doing to have merited a tazering? Surely they should only be used on occasions where the individual presented an active danger to the police. It shoudlnt' be used when someone is simply refusing to do something, without threats of violence. That's what handcuffs are for.

At 11/16/06 04:37 PM, fli wrote: *hears 'Hi, I'm a gerbil...' closes window...*

Don't feel bad... I'm big hulking man and I had my nipple pierced at the same time and I never winced once.

You'll won't be messed up by a sissy boy, no-sir-ree...
*cracks nuckles*

ANYWAYS...
My cousin's baby is born and I get the honor to pick the name. He wants "American names" (English...)

So, I dunno... I liked "Tristan" but I think it doesn't combine well with my cousin's last name Mendoza.

Andreas Mendoza goes well *grins*.

Of your mythological names, I think Hector is the best.

But what about people who have over 10,000 posts, none of which have any content in?

Don't go to your doctor. It's perfectly normal, and should clear up soon, just be sure to have unprotected sex with a few hookers for good measure.

At 11/16/06 05:03 PM, Chumbawamba wrote: I think grouping people into a stereotype is wrong, so the next day, I put on my plaid shirt, got in my truck, and listened to some muthafuckin country and some hardy rap, and proved to them that I was American. Heh, showed them. They'll never

finish their posts again?

At 11/16/06 11:13 AM, LazyDrunk wrote: There ain't much you can do in the shitty weather, it only makes the examiner tenser and edgier.

Was that your first attempt? Here in the states if a hopeful driver fails 3 times, they need to wait 6 months before trying again.

I've heard it's harder for the government to revoke a driver's license overseas than it is here. Is that true?

Thank god no. No., you can fail your test until the cows come home, and just keep taking them. However, we've got a rule here where you have to be able to read a car numberplate from 30m away, and I cant do it, even with glasses on. They can take your license away if you cant.

At 11/16/06 10:58 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: Failed my driving test, btw.

Which straw brokes the camel's back?

The "I didn't look behind me enough when doing a 3-point turn" one. Which is stupid, because anyone dumb enough to be standing behind a slowly reversing car deserves to die.

Also, the "I cut accross a lane on a Dual Carriageway because it was pouring with rain and nil visibility", one. It was absolutely bucketing it down. Stupid luck lol.

You lucky bizatch, Freak. *notjealousatall*

Failed my driving test, btw.

Well, I'm in the UK, going into uni next year, and we've never done the American Revolution. It's as if they just wanted to whitewash over it... very suspicious.

As someone who has been an AMD fanboy for 2 years, the Core 2 Duo beats anything AMD has yet done into a crokked hat. It's PAINFULLY fucking good. That said, AMD is better than Core 2 Duo for value for money. The cheapest C2D I could get is £250, and a non-shit motherboard, probably another £100. I got my X2 4400+ for £145, and a A8N-SLI SE for £65. They're brilliant for pure processing power, but crap for value for money.

At 11/16/06 01:25 AM, aigamerDS wrote: Hello! For those who like video games so much that you wanted to play their music on your instrument? No problem! I found some website you can download a music sheet for free! Check it here!

NOTE: This is legal and not stealing! This author just want to be popular because he's lonely and been left in dusty corner. So what are you waiting for? Just download and enjoy!

I'm lonely and without a girlfriend too.

*Downloads Mario Land song*

I hear playing these kind of things get you chicks. I'll let you know how it goes.

At 11/15/06 08:11 PM, DoomyCheese wrote: Oblivion is much better than Morrowind. End of discussion.

Seconded. Oblivion owns so hard it just isnt funny. Especially when you can play it on full graphics.

At 11/16/06 01:44 AM, JoS wrote:

At 11/15/06 06:07 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: blah

I have more posts than BCC now. Hurray!

Frickin' spammer.

I'm just going to wait a while, and just let the pure hypocracy of that statement wash over a few people :D

Oh, and fli, I remember now. It's "Andreas", spelt my way. With the 'a' is greek, without is more spanish/portugese. Thinking about it, you may well prefer it without the 'a'. True though, girls love romantic Mediteranian names.

On another note, what's with the fact that there are now about 11,000,000,000,000 mods on this forum? I remember when there were six.

At 11/15/06 04:22 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 11/15/06 04:03 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: Standard of debate still as good as it ever is? :D

Just about. I'm waiting for a debate to devolve into back forth "NO YOU'RE A DOO-DOO HEAD!" shouting and the like. ;-D

How's life been treating you lately? Good, I hope.

Very good indeed. I've got my driving test tomorrow morning. 9:17am. And fli, how the heck do you know my name...? *Completely freaked out* :P

At 11/15/06 03:52 PM, Freakapotimus wrote: OMG BCC HAI

OMF FREAK HAI WHATS GOING ON SINCSE EYE LEFT KK?

Wow. There's loads of mods on the forum. Standard of debate still as good as it ever is? :D

4 Posts, and no-one's yet named someone. I would, personally, like to see anyone at all who would put forward Green Issues at the top of their agenda. Carbon emission, etc.

Ooh, look, new people I havent seen before. Hello everyone. How's it going?

At 6/17/05 02:41 PM, TheloniousMONK wrote:

At 6/17/05 01:29 PM, Hyperdragoon wrote: Let's hope this doesn't end in fireworks.

Don't hold your breath.

Let's hope it doesn't end in Mushroom Clouds, you mean.

Seriously, one day someones going to launch one of these things at someone, and then we'll ALL lcunch them at the country and millions of people will die in a few seconds.

And THEN I'll say something along the lines of "I told you so"

I like the way that Coulter makes wild pathetic and hateful comments about other people, such as arabs and liberals, and you're here making hateful comments against here. Isnt' it lovely the way people make the world go round?

At 6/8/05 06:59 AM, hypern wrote: hello ng users, this is ahamd brooke hittting you with the sounds of the underground politics, what are view on the jackson trila, do you think he is gulity and bad or is the ppl trying to cash him out like a bank, you decide.

Lets judge this man, you ready, i am lets begin ?

Underground Politics? What, we need UNDERGROUND politics to tell us Jackson's on trial? Sorry mate, but I believe BBC beat you to it, along with every other media channel in the universe.

I personally think he's a weird nutter. That's no reason to send him to prison, but he DID admit to sleeping [as in sleep, not sex] with children, on a TV documentary about him, and he admits that freely. Whatever you think baout him, he takes 'fucked up' into a strange new dimension.

At 6/7/05 02:27 PM, Barin wrote: Should the U.S. attempt world domination? It might stop any future wars from happening

Do you HAVE braincells? I believe the last MAJOR attempt at world domination was this chap called Hitler.

Should the US attempt world domination? In your answer, reference:
- Underground resistance movements.
- Failures at last attempts at world domination, paying special attempt to Hitler and Stalin.
- 1984, by George Orwell, and other Political Novels
- The fact that it woudl take a war to dominate the world.