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At 4/3/04 04:05 AM, spanishfli wrote: 1.) I thought we were looking for Osama bin Ladin in Afghanistan. How in the world did we end up in Iraq? (My friend over there would like to know too) I know people are going to say, "to look for the weapons of mass destruction!" But I need to know more clear cut. Why didn't we go after Korea when they're more of a threat? Invading Iraq when Afghanistan was the country that perpetuated the 911 events is like invading Mexico... Doesn't make sense. Anyone able to sum up the arguments?

What the robotic deity said.

2.) Why are there so many scrupulous events in Bush's history? First it was, did he actually win, or didn't he win. Then it was: why Florida, his brother's state... And latter on it was, did he serve, or did he not serve... and then there's this thing: Did Bush know 911 before hand, or did he not? I think that's way too many discretions in his political history, which makes me very suspicious. Did Bush really pass Harvard by himself the hard way by doing work, or did daddy's friends pass him because he was president's son?

Most of that stuff are just things that liberals made up to attack Bush because he doesn't do easy to attack stuff like screwing interns or flip flopping on issues.

3.) Does Bush have a Christian agenda? I feel so, but I don't have any evidence. But I trust my feelings enough.

Bush is a Christian and he may turn to his faith for answers but for the most part he does what he feels is best for the American people.

4.) How was Bush connected with Enron? I keep hearing this, although I don't see the connection.

I thought it was Cheney they were saying had the connections, oh well either way it is once again liberals grasping for something in Bush's clean record.

Okay, that's my questions for now.

All fair and relevent, I am very impressed.

Not all service jobs are minimum wage jobs at McDonalds. Service covers everything from the medical feilds to auto mechanics.

This will definately affect the election considering Kerry's entire platform consisted of blamming Bush for job loss.

At 4/2/04 01:44 AM, RoteStinktier wrote: Israel police clash with settlers
Fourteen settlers were arrested as they tried to rebuild the small uninhabited outpost of Hazon David.

Not a bad start twoards promoting peace in that region. Much less counter productive than blowing up cripples.

Bush signs rights-for-foetus law
"President George W Bush has signed into law a measure that will expand the rights of the unborn child.
If Bush wins another four years, is there any doubt that Roe v. Wade will be repealed?

Another good start.

I feel that making 527s fall under the election reform laws would be a dumb move by the republicans. They have 527 organizations themselves that would run into the same problems. As far as cencorship during the Superbowl the company you are reffering to was CBS. Before the superbowl CBS had just had problems with public outcry concerning a ficticious Reagan movie and a Michael Jackson special. In the intrest of not alienating it's veiwers CBS decided not to rock the boat anymore. Bush and the Republicans had nothing to do with their decision it was all based on response from the public.

There are more places to drill other than Alaska such as the Gulf of Mexico and the California coast I just really hate caribou. Even if it doesn't lower prices it would reduce our dependency of foriegn oil giving us more freedom in international affairs and reducing our presence in the Middle East. If that isn't a better situation then what do you propose.

Both answers are wrong, it's those hippies that won't let us drill our own oil so we have to buy it from terrorists. I hate those hippies almost as much as those stupid Caribou they are trying to protect.

Damnitt why are we spending any money on forieghners.

I am trying to maintain the status quo. Traditionaly there isn't very much work involved with my objective.

At 3/31/04 12:25 AM, cistym wrote: I don't think death was apart of his plan

He chose to go to that jail rather than run.

At 3/31/04 12:22 AM, LadyGrace wrote: You just realized they were assholes? I went to college in Utah for a semester... but I couldn't take it!!! They thought I was a harlot for not being mormon.

Yeah that's the idiotic behavior I was reffering to. It's not universal though.

At 3/31/04 12:17 AM, cistym wrote: Joseph Smith was also a colorful character, in his biography he was recorded as a "Con-man addicted to Opiates." He made a profit off this bullshit religion and it is a shame that people still follow it.

Not much in it for him considering he died as a martyr in his thirties.

At 3/31/04 12:03 AM, Mr_Congeniality wrote:
A Professer from BYU (Brigham Young University of Provo, Utah) recently presented evidence in a demostration concluding that Homosexuality is biological. And the evidence makes a point. The church says that " 'These People' make their own decisions to be this way."

Actually the official stance of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on homosexuality is that they acknowledge it is a biological thing people are born with but none the less they are expected to control it. Like a heroin addiction.

What you hear about the Church hiding lies is true. It's all fake. And my parents donate $350 a week to the church. That's a large amount. And what are they doing it for?

Why exactly do you think the church is a lie?

I have been inactive for almost 1 year as well, and before I went inactive, I started habits what Mormons considered to be sins.

You can always repent.

When I went inactive, I kept getting calls from my bishop, saying he would like to do my semi-annual interview. They have been begging for me to interview, but I'm not going to bullshit if I go in there and talk to him.

They are just worried about you. However I will agree that there are many Mormons out there that are self righteous jackasses that would like to impose their will on all.

So I'm not excommunicated yet. Why, you ask? Do you think that I could just get away with it? Without being disowned by my parents, and hated by school officials, and getting rejected from jobs just because I got kicked out of the church?

If your parents are any kind of Christians they will will accept you, if you are planning on going to BYU you might have problems and I doubt most employers would care.

That's utah for ya. These poor people, believing shit that is not true.

Your opinion.

When I get excommunicated...watch me play Nine Inch Nails during a worshiping session on a sunday afternoon, in one of their chapels. God wouldn't let it play in that church if it were true, so why is he letting it.

Because you have agency.

Who agrees with me that this church is bullshit?

I personaly feel the church is good there are just some members out there who are idiots. Bet you didn't think a good mormon from Idaho would be on here.

At 3/30/04 11:49 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote: It'll be interesting to finally have a progressive news station.

Well there is..., Oh the hell with it.

Whatever happened to the liberal radio station he or someone was going to start up.

At 3/30/04 11:42 PM, Ruination wrote: I just think it unfortunate that the United States won't assume the responsibilities it has. Policing cannot be done by unexperienced militias but by a veteran force. America took away Iraq's ability to instill order on its own

We are trying to train a police force but they keep getting blown up.

At 3/30/04 11:24 PM, Ruination wrote: You may be right. How about the Kurds though? I know that aiding rebel groups has come back to bite the west in the ass, butthey might have done the job along with Iraqi insurgents.

We also had bad intelegence telling us that Saddam had Weapons of Mass destruction. Using the knowledge we had then this wouldn't have made sense because Saddam would have just gassed them again and we would have had to go in anyways. Also I don't think the other Iraqis like the Kurds very much.

At 3/30/04 11:09 PM, Ruination wrote: Regardless,its relatively easy for some renegade regime to construct some kind of dirty bomb and smuggle it in the US in one of the millions of cargo containers that go uninspected every year.

Dirty bombs would be bad but I don't think they would have the potential to destroy the nation and after one incident we would take care of the situation.

I'm just trying to say that America could do their puppeteering a little more subtly. Many coups-d'etats have been orchestrated before, without resorting to invasion.

Saddam was such a successful dictator that it would have been immpossible to take out all of the elements of his regime without an invasion. All of those other coups we helped along had rebel forces to do the fighting for us.

At 3/30/04 10:42 PM, Ruination wrote: Just how many leaders' asses will the United States have to kick? It is NOT the world police. I certainly hope that some hostile nation doesn't develop a new type of weapon; you'd be screwed.

I was just talking about any bad person who might take over Iraq. Just for the record any new weapons other nations have developed in the last 50 years have originated from plans stolen form the US.

At 3/30/04 08:48 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote:

:: Amusing, but saddening at the same time.

Well what if we flew in Ethiopeans and had them enter bulk eating contests for our ammusement. That way everyone would would be happy.

At 3/30/04 10:03 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote:

At 3/30/04 09:45 PM, BeFell wrote: We turn over power in exactly three months.

We were suppose to let free elections be held in Afghanistan also at the same time, but that got pushed back. Things change. But no, I do think we'll give control over to.. Well, our pawns over there. Truthfully - that's what they are.

We'll see

But the risk of a fundamentalist rising to power is present here, if we don't turn over power correctly...

Then we'll just kick his ass too. I think you are right that is a real possibility but I am confident that the we will not let our investment be in vain. Well as long as Bush wins if Kerry wins then they probably would have been better off with Saddam.

At 3/30/04 09:03 PM, Ruination wrote:

Compared to...?

An imperialistic nation bent on world domination ( America in lamen's terms).

We turn over power in exactly three months.

At 3/30/04 07:07 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote: - I was hoping someone would speak out against it - like someone already did in another topic. But. meh.

Sorry, just don't tell the other right-wing fanatics what I said or they will take away my bumper sticker privilages.

At 3/30/04 08:06 PM, Ruination wrote:

Do you think they were better off with Saddam?

He may be the lesser of two evils.

Compared to...?

At 3/30/04 06:47 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote:

At 3/30/04 02:23 PM, BeFell wrote: That is the current system. I think the system could be reformed to be a deterent. I am not saying it would deter all murders but it would possibly enter into the minds of those who still have some sense of rationality before the murder.

O-K. But, I would contend, that people with some sense of rationality, don't commit murder.

Premeditated murders for personal gain. Don't you ever watch law and order. There are people out there that weight their options and sometimes conclude that they are willing to face the risk to commit that murder. If certain death were thrown into their thought process they might reach a different conclusion. Not every murder is spur of the moment or involves an insane person.

At 3/30/04 07:29 PM, Ruination wrote:
You're 100% correct on that one. It's unfortunate though that the hornet's nest was disturbed in the first place. We should help the people of Iraq, definitely.

Do you think they were better off with Saddam?

As deplorable as I find the burning of the American flag I too must agree with the other comments and say that the right to protest a government one doesn't support by destroying a symbol of the government is one of the most improtant principles for which the flag represents.

On a mostly unrelated note here at the U of Idaho a couple years ago some students were arrested after they stole a gay straight alliance flag and attempted to burn it. I realize this situation is a little different because they stole the flag but if some rednecks paid for or made a flag representing the gay straight alliance should they be prevented from burning it as a symbol? There are many up here that say absoulutely not but coencedentaily they are the same people who would readily set flame to the old stars and stripes. The reason I bring it up is the University recently acknowledged the two year anniversary of the incident and I thought that was kinda stupid.

At 3/30/04 02:09 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote:

At 3/30/04 02:00 PM, Ruination wrote: What evidence?

The Death Penalty Is Not a Deterrent.

That is the current system. I think the system could be reformed to be a deterent. I am not saying it would deter all murders but it would possibly enter into the minds of those who still have some sense of rationality before the murder.

At 3/30/04 11:41 AM, Izuamoto wrote:

really? mind grabbing a statistic for me? and, by the way, how do you know the method of execution has as strong a correlation with crime rates as you suggest? america has the death penalty too, and people are still willing to commit murders knowing they have a strong chance of being executed in some states.

Strong chance? The gentleman mentioned above has been on death row for 20 years. Recently some guy confessed to 20 to 40 murders--I forget how many exactly but more than one should be enough to qualify for death--and since he plea bargained he only recieved life. Edmund Kemper who decapitated multiple women and raped their corpes is still living quite confortably in a Federal prison in Seatle. If it was a 100% certainty that one would recieve speedy death if they killed somebody then I have no doubt we would see a decline in the murder rate.

This could be the worst thing you've ever done. Say what you will about Bush but leave the Duke alone. No gay man would beat as many women as he did.

At 3/29/04 10:42 PM, DasRoteStinktier wrote: But still - Yes, ok. You're right. But I don't see the point of NATO still existing. That's the real question here. I don't see why we need a fanclub like that..

To be honest I have no idea. The best I can come up with is keeping possible allies in reserve in case we need them in a large war. This day and age though that doesn't seem too likely North Korea would use nukes and be wiped out in a matter of minutes. China is possible but I don't see that happening.

We are trying to get allies and European countries never turn down an opportunity to get a little bit of cash from the US.