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At 3/8/08 06:27 AM, zoolrule wrote:

At 3/8/08 06:06 AM, BaajGuardian wrote: First of all i will make this very short because you arent worth my time after all of the above.
1: Triggerhappy Snipers were put against people throwing rocks before individual palestinians took up firearms and suicide.

bull

2: Jews did not live there the whole time, semites lived there the whole time, wich includes

palestinians, wich were kicked off their land by the british forces.

bull, JEWS lived here the whole time.

3: the zionist (current political power believing in the holy land and second coming messiach doctrine of israel) lobby is the most propagandising lobby in the world.

i've never met or heard one person that actually believe COMING MESSIACH crap, and even if there is amount of people people that actually believe it, they are insignificant,
and if it was the most "propagandising" lobby in the world, you wouldnt know and say that they are "propagandising.

4: You have tons of mistakes indeed, but not by grammar, you are the one who should do some research, and stop watching tv have a nice day son.

nice contra-argument.
have you noticed how you changed your argument ? trying to avoid?
you are just a fool, and you know nothing.
good day

One day you will wake up and realise what a unbelievable fool you are, i think that will be the day you die. Untill then have fun believing in the lies of the political game.
Im out of this topic/forum and just so you know.. i do not argue i state.

well, lets see, until 1948, after a LOT of pogroms (Tarpa pogroms, Tarpat pogroms, The arab rebel), which were based on racist hate, Israel declared independence, until then, all of the lands were bought LEGALLY.
then, (the obvious) the Muslims were to proud to have Jewish state (Very small got to be mentioned) near them, so they declared war, all of the surrounding countries. that was the first massive Israeli land conquer, the Arab pride were hurt, the Egyptians declared another war on Israel, in 1956, lost it, lost Sinai, few years later Israel brought Sinai back to the Egyptians.
1967 - Arab war for the pride again, three countries declared war at Israel, (Israel DID make the first move, but its because from the north soldiers were already attacked, and Egyptian soldiers started moving), Arabs lost, again, MORE lands were conquered (Sinai again), AGAIN from a war not initiated by the Israelis.
1973, like 5th war for pride, Israel were finally suprised, because Egypt and Syria, attacked Israel on the most holy Jewish day, (You claim to be jewish so your probably know when) and still Israel won, but with great casualties.

in all of these wars, "Palestinians" were involved.
if only the Arab pride, wouldn't care about the small Jewish country created in 1948. everything was fine, i blame those who created the conditions.
i'm not looking at the things one sided, but i do have one sided opinion, because the conflict cant be more one sided.
if only the Israeli explanation system was better, and the Israelis would do some propaganda like the Pali's do all the time, there were not even one Palestinian supporter in the world.

i typed it really fast so i have tones of mistakes

First of all i will make this very short because you arent worth my time after all of the above.
1: Triggerhappy Snipers were put against people throwing rocks before individual palestinians took up firearms and suicide.
2: Jews did not live there the whole time, semites lived there the whole time, wich includes palestinians, wich were kicked off their land by the british forces.
3: the zionist (current political power believing in the holy land and second coming messiach doctrine of israel) lobby is the most propagandising lobby in the world.
4: You have tons of mistakes indeed, but not by grammar, you are the one who should do some research, and stop watching tv have a nice day son.

At 3/7/08 05:19 PM, zoolrule wrote:

At 3/7/08 02:15 PM, BaajGuardian wrote: I think israel is in the hands of madness, madness of a zionist ideology that thinks that the second coming of their messiach (saviour) would be triggered if israel is completely in the hands of jews.
Well a messiach would not save those who damn others to a life of hell, a messiach would teach how to save yourself by saving others. And thats coming from a non religious person here.

i'm glad that you said i think, because you think wrong.
if you'll just change Israel - with Islam, then it would be true.
you know that the majority of the Israeli Jews aren't religious, right? well, just another ignorant fed by Al-Jazeera, and by the way, for Rommel, Al-Jazeera claims to be fair media, but expressly NOT. people actually take this pathetic station seriously seriously, every time someone says something bad about Islam / Arabs they cut him off. i watched the channel few times, its shame. shame.
cant the Muslim society be honest? even for itself? for once?

Learn to read kid, i was talking about zionist ideology, not about jews. I am jewish myself.
I have not even once in my life watched aljazeera either, i hardly ever watch tv to begin with.
Maybe that would do you good aswell.

The people that just live there, great.. despite the land being taken from other people and dont go throwing with the "but the jews had it before that like hundreds of years ago" wich does not i repeat NOT justify taking it from those who previously lived there not only chasing them off their land but creating laws to make them second rate citizens in the whole "area"
And for what? Because the minority that IS religious believes in their savior.
Do you think that palestinians one day got out of bed and decided like "lets destroy israel" cause they were bored? There is such a thing as desperation, and when you are desperate and degraded you do hectic things.
What would you do when you would be kicked off your land then left to work like a mule and still have nothing? Then your family and/or friends are shot when they rebel against this form of racism by throwing goddamn rocks... what is left to do?

I cant answer that, but i can tell you you need to learn to relativate, because you are looking at this thing pretty one sided, if you want to blame anyone for the deaths of both sides people, blame those who created the conditions. Say hello to corporate politics.

For as long as the USA keep arming israel i doubt any part of the world will condemn any hostile action israel executes.

It is a shame on the face of the world, what can people do about it.. what can people do against armed rulers? We could start stopping the ways we empower these rulers simply by stopping to do what they want us to do, work in a corporation (on any piece of the piramid), voting on media backed faces, sending money to self proclaimed helping organisations.
People dont need all that, all people need is the knowledge how to live and the truth.
Some would say that giving up luxioury gained by our present systems would go way to far because we all earned that with our so called hard work, yea that would have been true if it were not so that all the luxioury we have in the west has been obtained by the destruction of the east.

I think israel is in the hands of madness, madness of a zionist ideology that thinks that the second coming of their messiach (saviour) would be triggered if israel is completely in the hands of jews.
Well a messiach would not save those who damn others to a life of hell, a messiach would teach how to save yourself by saving others. And thats coming from a non religious person here.

Oh and the UN is a joke indeed, not that the current american administration (and most likely the following aswell) will be any better.

At 3/1/08 03:11 AM, arcansi wrote: u think 9/11 is justified right? No, there arent words to describe how unjustified it was. America had never fired a single missle into the middle east before 9/11, and i dont beleive we have launched one since then.

Oh my god... do you live in a 50 feet deep hole covered with steel plates?

At 3/5/08 07:25 PM, MrOctopi wrote: I completely agree.
I skipped out on probably five years of TV in my life and didn't miss it one bit.
Though the Discovery and History Channel are okay to watch once in a while.
TV is the biggest time-waster in the history of mankind.

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I cannot agree more with this.
Tv is useless and often dangerous since it creates alot of problems between people, some forget that the news is not the truth but a fraction of truth often even purposely adjusted for either political or financial reasons. commercials are in 'fact' all designed to manipulate, there have been studies how to get people to buy the crap they offer.
I myself only use my tv for my playstation 2 and 3, national geographic, discovery channel and on a few occasions a movie i want to see trough wich i turn of the tv as soon as commercials start.
Good topic etc, i would react more if it were not so that i try to be at my pc as little as possible, the outside is great really, today ive been walking at least 20 Kilometer trough forrests and there is no better feeling than that.

p.s. the NG smilies rool especially the angry face.
Ok and now im going to play some playstation2 cause im getting bored.

for all the fools and genius that would want to give ideas for my yuzoux storys etc.