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Response to: "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic Posted November 10th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/10/13 07:23 AM, 24901miles wrote: I'm not talking about extinction here, I'm talking about nonexistence. We're at True Zero. We're outside of the universe: before the Big Bang. Before any time, and space, and energy, and matter complexity made it possible to distinguish between any number. Everything seems like Zero, because there is nothing, or because there is an infinite amount of everything, or some middle-ground. There is nothing here for the laws of mathematics to apply to. How can the laws exist? How can the laws be said to differentiate between 12* 98 and 9118.42?

I agree with Light here, so I hope you don't mind me chipping in my two cents.

Mathematicians generally do not derive maths from observing the universe, but rather looking at what x would logically imply about y independent from the physical world. A prime example of this is imaginary numbers: When they were first conceived, mathematicians were able to infer a great deal about how they would work even though at the time they ran contrary to any universal observation. In this example there was nothing this law of mathematics applied to, and yet this made no odds to sussing out exactly what x implied about y. Of course, now we use i for all sorts of handy tricks with electronics, but the physics came centuries after the mathematics.

We require existence to discover these laws, and we require existence to apply them. That does not mean that the laws require our existence to exist.

Every law of mathematics is implied by itself. The law that one 1+1 = 2 exists only because we define 2 as being equal to 1+1. It's all just logical constructs that imply themselves independently from the physical. Of course, the physical is also logical and so the laws can also be applied here, but the laws of logic are not dependent on any state of affairs in the physical.

Response to: "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic Posted November 10th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/10/13 10:49 AM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 11/9/13 11:26 PM, Light wrote: Face it. The problem of evil has refuted the idea that an all-powerful, all-good god exists.
No it hasn't. It merely characterizes a god.

I think it could be said to refute a God with certain characteristics. Moreover, I think it refutes the fatalistic beliefs a large number of Christians have about God. I think if you accept human and natural evil as part of God's plan, prayer beyond selfless worship seems pretty futile.

Response to: "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic Posted November 9th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/9/13 07:51 PM, NickBeard wrote: Paintings require painters,

Someone needs their consciousness expanded. Enjoy.

Response to: Seeing Mf Doom/bbng Live Next Week Posted November 9th, 2013 in General

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AMZING TIME MAN THAT'S SO SWEET

Saw Wide Boyz last week, but I'm pretty sure Americans don't know them.

Response to: If I ___ , you would do ___ Posted November 9th, 2013 in General

At 11/9/13 01:25 PM, Bishe wrote:
At 11/9/13 01:20 PM, NewgroundsMike wrote:
Laugh at you, because you just stole a broke guy's wallet.

If I were your boss, you would...?
Have you arrested and then take over your job.

If I had an orange, you would_____?

Lunch tray smack that shit right out your hand.

If I was eating _____ you would pass me a _____?

Response to: How Many Accounts Since Joined Ng? Posted November 9th, 2013 in General

I think 4: AxTekk, AKACCMIOF, AZAKACCMIOF and FlosephKony. I could have missed one though.

Response to: Atheism vs Theism debate settled Posted November 9th, 2013 in Politics

There's a reason we have the official thread. Why not post this there?

Response to: The Most Hated Country In The World Posted November 8th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/8/13 07:35 PM, Warforger wrote: if you try to look at statistics of the popularity of America vs. Russia vs. China vs. India America generally comes out ahead, but this generally depends on the region. In the Middle East America and Russia are unpopular due to their constant intervention in the region, meanwhile in East Asia America is much more popular than China or Russia because China and Russia are perceived as a threat and America is on their side.

I kinda figured this would be the case. Americans overestimate how much their country is hated I think, although you're not exactly popular in certain regions...

Response to: Why are Western nations evil? Posted November 8th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/8/13 09:14 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
At 11/8/13 09:08 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: But it's people aren't. You are in control of nothing. You are not boss rather it's your slave masters that hold all the keys.
its better than being some savage in some third world shithole.

That feel when not happy citizen in first world country that doesn't blow all it's money on endless wars.

Pic very much related. Guys even have guns too, Tony

Why are Western nations evil?

Response to: What is a Genius? Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

I usually use genius to mean someone with cutting insight who can solve complex problems in a unique way. I don't think many of the people I think of in this light actually have high IQs though, they might score hella high on divergent thinking tests though.

Response to: Favorite Bbs Mods Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

Goddamnit I want to be able to say @Rampant. @Rampant why have you forsaken us?

Why? Because mods should fucking rap battle more, that's why. I would pay good money to hear Back-From-Purgatory spitting bars with Pox.

Response to: "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic Posted November 8th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/8/13 09:21 AM, NickBeard wrote: "the Universe exploded from nothing"

Just saying, atheists believe nothing of the sort. They don't claim to know the origin of the universe beyond the big bang yet, but think "God did it" is a pretty crappy answer.

I agree but with only 99% certainty that God definitely didn't do it.

Response to: If I ___ , you would do ___ Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

At 11/8/13 06:16 PM, Joelle wrote: Call them ragamuffins then kick them out.

If I flirted with you, you would do ___

nothing but stare out into space, drooling slightly.

If I drooled on your ____ you would ____ my _____.

Response to: Train runs over couple having sex Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

At 11/8/13 05:13 PM, T3XT wrote: "Wait, I'm starting to climax!"

Hahahaha, that's definitely one bonus of gay sex. Guys do NOT fuck about with orgasms.

Response to: Best albums of 2013 Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

At 11/8/13 05:09 PM, kanef wrote:
At 11/8/13 06:22 AM, Slint wrote: Yeezus was good, fuck you guys.
seconding this, hold my liquor is my jam

Damn, third that but I'm In It.... fucking tune.

Response to: Best albums of 2013 Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

At 11/7/13 11:10 PM, SpankyG wrote: I loved a ton of great new albums.
Tyler, the Creator - WOLF
Earl Sweatshirt - Doris
I still want to hear Eminem's new shit but I haven't bought it yet. I want to get the deluxe edition of MMLP2.
I also want to hear MellowHigh's new shit too.

http://exordiummusic.bandcamp.com/album/alphabet-soup

I'd say Acid Rap's been the best new album, but this underground murrfucka made me double take hard. Seriously not bad for an NG cat.

Response to: Train runs over couple having sex Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

At 11/8/13 01:42 PM, JRob wrote:
At 11/8/13 01:28 PM, Entice wrote:
At 11/8/13 01:12 PM, Nor wrote: I be those sexual deviants were role-playing
Or ROLL playing cause the train ROLLED over them
I guess you could say that their sex went off the rails.

I don't like this train of thought

Response to: im new :) Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

At 11/8/13 04:43 PM, AxTekk wrote:
At 11/8/13 04:41 PM, AxTekk wrote:
At 11/7/13 08:24 AM, larrynachos wrote: Welcome!
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im new :)

Response to: im new :) Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

At 11/8/13 04:41 PM, AxTekk wrote:
At 11/7/13 08:24 AM, larrynachos wrote: Welcome!
Fuck you, you don' know shit about newgrounds heartles cunt

Msg me qt pi opie xxx

im new :)

Response to: im new :) Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

At 11/7/13 08:24 AM, larrynachos wrote: Yes, this isn't facebook. You try to post selfies, you will be brutally murdered by the community here. Type everything grammatically correct, and use full sentences. If you say "U" instead of "you", YOU will be shunned by this website.

Welcome!

Fuck you, you don' know shit about newgrounds heartles cunt

Response to: Animal Farm Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

Orwell was crazy skilled, and never considered himself above discussing real world issues. Animal Farm nailed so much shit mayyyyyun, don' be playa hatin'.

Response to: Two Golden Dawn members shot dead Posted November 8th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/8/13 02:20 PM, 24901miles wrote: Expanding the territory of a system of governance changes its ideology and method of implementation? (Hint: No, it doesn't)

Bro, don't act like you don't see a difference between these two ideologies beyond that. Hard-line socialism is heavily flawed, but it isn't inherently cruel and divisive like Nazism. You seem intelligent, I assume you know where the socialism in national socialism came from and it's relevance (lack thereof) to what Hitler achieved.

Response to: The Most Hated Country In The World Posted November 8th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/8/13 11:56 AM, leanlifter1 wrote: If you don't understand why the US is so hated world wide then I suggest you do some research. Did you know that the US has Military bases in 130 of 160 total countries in the world. USA spends more on "National Defense" which should be called "Global Domination" than all other countries in the world combined.

Yeah, that's very true and of course it has sponsored South American coups against democratic governments in the past. Definitely wouldn't claim it's a perfect country, but I'm still not sure it actually is the most hated country in the world (though it has pissed a lot of people off).

Response to: The Most Hated Country In The World Posted November 8th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/7/13 11:29 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: There are many bad apple countries but the USA is unanimously hated by everyone.

I'm not sure it is... I mean, it's hated by a lot of Middle Eastern countries, maybe a couple South American ones and Russia, but we Europeans just have a fond disdain for our brasher cousins.

Response to: Black teen shot for asking for help Posted November 8th, 2013 in General

At 11/7/13 11:35 PM, thatkidkenji wrote: No, you will either see nothing at all, or massive deflection and justification for death like Trayvon Martin.

Proof will be in the pudding, but I highly doubt that.

Not all struggles are the same. You need to grow up.

No, but suffering is universal and it's stupid to immediately reduce it to politics. It debases the victims reducing them to whatever your own agenda is.

Response to: Black teen shot for asking for help Posted November 7th, 2013 in General

At 11/7/13 11:03 PM, thatkidkenji wrote: What am I hyperbolising?

Saying that "America has never given a fuck for non-white innocent teenagers" suggests that the entirety (or even the majority) of Americans won't feel sad that this woman was shot.

I guarantee you you'll see the opposite in the coming weeks.

I care about the condition of people of color in a country that perpetuates vigilance over them. Every single one of them. I don't have to approach this "just a teenager who lost their life." I'm not naive and myopic enough to ignore the actual problem: that people of color like her are considered threats white humanity. If that makes you uncomfortable, then you can fuck off.

When you reduce people down to the colour of their skin and their pains to your own political agenda I think you're little more than a self righteous prick, and certainly can't claim to care for them as people. You really aren't any better than the Islamist who sees the deaths of Afghan children as political opportunity or the right-winger who sees the same in black on white crime. Political compassion is bullshit, because suffering doesn't know sides. Suffering is just human.

Response to: "official" Atheism Vs. Theism Topic Posted November 7th, 2013 in Politics

At 11/7/13 10:33 PM, ImmoralLibertarian wrote: AxTekk, it's really late here so I'm off to bed. I'll answer you tomorrow if that's okay.

NO IT IS NOT OKAY INTERNET RAGE

Jk, I'm kinda busy tomorrow but this is interesting stuff, defo worth typing words for

Response to: Black teen shot for asking for help Posted November 7th, 2013 in General

At 11/7/13 10:43 PM, thatkidkenji wrote: We don't "hyperbolise" the fact that America cares about white life more than others.

I wouldn't even disagree with that. But you are hyperbolising this shit, making out like it doesn't shock you, like it isn't an exceptionally pointless waste of young life. It's all of those things, and your rhetoric doesn't do her death justice, it reduces her to a character in your story about your pain. It's self indulgent, victim mentality bullshit, so stop acting like you care about her.

Response to: Black teen shot for asking for help Posted November 7th, 2013 in General

At 11/7/13 10:37 PM, BumFodder wrote: There will always be people who make a big deal out of stupid things, the more theyre ignored the more they will go away really. The news source and OP are being extremely sensationalist.

I guess we'll have to wait for validation on a lot of this stuff. If it's half as messed as it seems though...

Response to: Black teen shot for asking for help Posted November 7th, 2013 in General

At 11/7/13 10:31 PM, BumFodder wrote: The fuck has this got to do with leftism? lol

Sorry, I'm tired and grumpy. And also left wing actually, I just wish this could be about the fact an innocent teenager got shit and not about being politically edgy and shit.