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i'd like to hear what you all thought of bush's latest comment, "a crusade on terrorism." were you offended? did you sympathize? just tell me how you felt..... [please.

At 9/28/01 10:26 AM, MrSmiley wrote: Everyone at NG needs to group together, grab our guns, and destroy Afghanistan! muwahahahaah
(ps: anyone here know how to fly a plane?)

i find it funny that your name is mr smiley yes you are so bloodthirsty

i bet condit is fucking happy too. but i wonder how her parents feel. god the media are such whores. please, please please please please pleeeeeeease become the media. http://indymedia.org

At 9/19/01 06:00 AM, soulblade wrote:

At 9/18/01 06:38 PM, UnclePecos wrote:

At 9/17/01 05:35 PM, Raptorman wrote: But I am not alone - for every American Muslim that I know of stands with me.

And so should every non-Muslim American, for that is the American way.

I agree!! Guys, we need to stand by him!! Mr. Chickenshit (Bin Laden) is a megalomaniac through and through. He doesn't care about Islam, he's perverted it for his own gain!!

Non-Muslims, if a Muslim friend of yours is in trouble, do not hesitate to aid him/her however possible.

i think it would be a very good idea to post that on an imc or send it to the y4m email list.

At 9/15/01 07:15 PM, GameboyCC_Advance wrote: With the terrorist attacks, everyone is pointing the finger, and I fear that history is repeating itself...

After Pearl Harbor, we tossed all our Japanese into internment camps (or as I called them... American concentration camps) and renamed all our German... things (anyone care for a Liberty Sandwich!?). But now I see the same kind of anger towards the Arabic community. AnarchyPenguin already brought this up when he talked about his friend in another topic, but I got the idea to make this topic when I was watching TV. I saw a support rally for America on the news, and they were interviewing this crazy old lady. She was talking about how "They are gonna pay... they're gonna pay good... they... they... THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN BE IN OUR COUNTRY!!!" I got sick to my stomach at that point. Here she is, celebrating American, yet denouncing the very thing America is known for.

Beatings and riots are flooding the nation. One particular quote is "Take of yer' scarf or ah'll kill you!" How simple minded do you have to be to blame an entire race of the actions of one man, and his followers?

on the back of my sweater i have an x'ed out swazi. a kid came upto me the other day and said "hey man, you should have a crossed out raghead on your shirt." he walked away before i could say anything.

At 9/19/01 02:21 PM, Slizor wrote:

How many groups would have had the money or the time to train people just to do this?

The people started small buisnesses and trained themselves.

Don't tell me that it's bullshit. So much more goes into a terrorist attack than what you want to believe.

They say the maximum number of people involved was 50.

You ever see "Three Kings"? And in another 24 hours, Saddam would not be ruling Iraq. That's been established by enough people.

A) I was talking about the statisics, B) Three kings is a MOVIE, I'm sorry to shatter your illusion but Terminator didn't actually happen.

So Israel is basically having a civil war, so they go off and attack america?

What? I'm not even sure what you're getting at here.

That is how stupid your arguement is.

I do believe this. They've seen American prosperity, and they hate us for it. This isn't about Islam. This is about the destruction of the United States. Why did they hit our political and economic centers? For ha-has? For Allah? NO, to destroy us! They want us dead, and we all know that.

They hit your militant and econmic centres, not your political one, although they were aiming for it. So you think, that because you are better off, they want to destroy you? How about you fucked their country up and they are just repaying you? Or the fact you have salughtered innocent civilans who they feel they are protecting?

You have no idea what you're talking about here. We will never be free without the end of terrorism. So don't give me any fascist talk like that.

I have a very good idea what I'm talking about, what you are doing is imposing yourself on other countries, ie taking away their freedom, you can't possibly be free if that's how you treat other countries.

anti-war demonstration in front of white house on the 29th. i know a ton of people out there say protesting does nothing... but i think it is important to show that not everyone agrees and is backing the bush program on this issue.

At 8/26/01 07:11 AM, Slizor wrote: What is your opinon on taxes? Are you proud to pay them? Or do you belive that the politicians are ripping you off? Why?

i think we should get more sovereignty (spell) to where eour taxes go. thats it, just a simple short answer...

At 8/30/01 11:34 AM, Slizor wrote:

i fucking hate asshole like you. give up on your fucking rights and stop whining, you stupid fucking libertarian anarchist socialist commie bastard. just do what the fucking teachers tell you and stop ruining this world for us. get normal fucker.

| You fucking hate asshole like him? Why was he too tight? Or maybe your maggoty dick couldn't make it too penetration. I know lets let everyone take our rights away so they can force us to do things, yeah that's a fucking brillant idea. Stop ruining this world for us? First of all who is us? And as it turns out the normal(big corperations) is the thing that is ruining the world(I'm not even talking about oppresed workers here.)

ummmmm, i was kidding, i like penguin, i talk to him, he is a good man. calm down, do you think someone with the screen name anarchon would really mean something like that? im sorry if my joke went too far...... ;-)

At 8/29/01 10:14 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote: Here's the problem, our school has put up cameras to check out behavior... Please show me some information pertaining to florida or american privacy rights! This would help greatly.

i fucking hate asshole like you. give up on your fucking rights and stop whining, you stupid fucking libertarian anarchist socialist commie bastard. just do what the fucking teachers tell you and stop ruining this world for us. get normal fucker.

At 7/4/01 11:28 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote: To all you christians, I Was wondering how do you react to lies by the church? Such as How christmass is on the 25th of decemeber not becuase that was when jesus was born but becuase Roman emporer Constantine to distract pagans. This is just one example. Do you just belive in the ideal not in the exact words? Or do you Acually belive things like this even though it has no connection to the scriptures?

im crhistian. but i dont support churches. no no no. hierarchical power forcing beliefs of christ = extremely hypocritical. i celebrate the birth of jesus during june 31. near when he was actually born. and i dont celebrate holidays such as valentines and saint patricks da. proposing that one person (the saint) is more worthy of eternal life than anyone else. plus i dont celebrate holidays that mock wiccan and pagan beliefs, such as april fools, or halloween. well.. i do celebrate halloween.. but thats with my satanist friends. im one fucked up christian. see.... i hold the wiccan belief that there is a clearing in a forest, and many apths to get there. the clearing is the higher power, whether it be god, bhudda, science, etc. and the paths are religions and beliefs. however... i believe that this higher power presents itself to different people in different ways. to me its anarchist christianity. thus... i take it a step further form there.

At 7/6/01 11:57 PM, GameboyCC wrote: IT'S OFFICIAL!!!!! GEORGE W. BUSH IS TRYING TO MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL!!!!!

Yes, kids, I said he was trying to make abortion illegal! The news is that he wants to declare a fetus a living person. He said that it would be for HMO reasons, but (what they don't tell you is this...) if a fetus is considered living it would be illegal to kill it off (i.e. abortion). If you live in a country other than the United States (like I do) and are Pro-Choice (like I am) I envy you!

im not either, but even if i was either. id wanna keep it legal. or at least decriminalized. because in countries where abortion is legal, there are less deaths (both abortions and the mothers giving birth) caused by abortion.

At 6/14/01 01:55 PM, Anarchypenguin wrote: Do we really need Alabama? I think the US would be fine without it and he already have a sufficent supply of yokels and red necks so why keep the dead weight?

isnt the SOA in alabama,

no... thats georgia, cna we get rid of georgia too, please? or at least just the SOA

At 7/5/01 07:12 AM, Jonny_Alpha wrote:

At 7/5/01 06:36 AM, ERies wrote: Anarchists. Now that's a group of people I can do with out.

Ironically, the fact that they act in a group prevents them from being true anarchists.

what the fuck are you talking about?! it may not make them count as autonomists, but why arent they anarchists.. as long as the group does not have a leader or ruler, or any rules... sure theyre anarchist. now riot anarchists arent really anarchists. because riots consist of oppression. violence and destruction, etc. a funny note on that topic... the london electro hippies redirect the police from the riots. its funny.

At 7/4/01 07:34 AM, Evil_Thief wrote: Or rather American anarchists, I never realised how sad the majority of them were until this morning when I stumbled across an anarchist site which composed of pictures of them in berets trying to look menacing. Oh and one of them wrote in the forum about how his parents were horrible to him and that he hated school so he was going to slash his wrists...... Which was nice.

Can't you Americans do something about them? Lock them in the room with the Britnet Spears or something, borrow Arthur Scargill to convert them to Socialism. Just stop them from acting like tits in front of the whole World, saying 'McDonalds Sucks' in type on the internet does NOT make you a hardcore anarchist, remember that.

the problem with american anarchists is theyre too ivory tower... i liked bakunin and kropotkin socialist anarchism ideals alot. but i dont believe in revolution, rather evolution of the state... because violence dont solve a thing worth solving

At 6/28/01 03:01 PM, Slizor wrote:
1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

no asshole, thats a definition- lets go into the root of the word. "AN" greek for without, none, no, not "ARCHOS" meaning power, rule, reign, government

At 6/26/01 03:17 PM, anhnonymous wrote: So a punk rock band determines your political status? Why not just give your vote to them. No wait... in Anarchy there is no voting. Chaos reigns supreme. I wander where you would be in you own little dream world? Probably hiding out "underground" still. Going against the status quo again maybe? And let me ask you how did you get to LEVEL 08? Could you have VOTED for something? Giving out ranks and points, putting flash movies in ORDER. Engaging yourself in a popularity contest? Succumbing to the very thing that you stand for? You are a hypocritical dinosaur lost in the new age of democracy. And we all know what happens to dinosaurs.

ummm....... anarchy doesnt mean chaos... http://www.angelfire.com/punk2/MurphyTheSy/Isearch.html

and voting is a way to get certain people to change the system in order to evolve to anarchy without going through chaos

At 6/23/01 08:13 AM, shorbe wrote: Slizor: I realise the interest is the problem. However, why would someone lend to someone without them paying interest? The person loaning the money could lend it to someone else and make more money. Also, if the borrower were to default on the loan, they would not even regain their money, let alone make any from it.

Irresponsible financial management is neithert the faul, nor the responsibility, of the lender.

shorbe

i propose that the IMF/World Bank make sure that the money they loan goes to certain institutions that would generate money in order to...

1. pay back the debt
and
2. get these countries on their feet

At 6/22/01 12:45 AM, ladyluck69 wrote:

At 6/21/01 11:48 AM, GameboyCC wrote: Do you think abortion should be legal? Do you...? I do...

The problem that you run into when arguing abortion is when does the fetus become a human?

And for those that rely on the "abortion is murder" does that meant that a "miscarraige is manslaughter"?

If a pregnant woman is in a car wreck and has a miscarraige now it is considered 2nd or 3rd degree murder.. This elevates the status of an embryo to basicly citizen status with legal rights.

The problem runs into, lets say she is an active person who likes to run. She goes for a run and causes herself to miscarraige (yes it does happen) or does something else that causes it, is it involuntary manslaughter? What if she doesn't even know shes preganant?

Personally, I think this is one area where the gov't should keep their nose out and let it continue to be the moral descision that it always has been. Would I ever do it, I can't say......but I would certainly never take the reproductive rights of another away.

well..... abortion, like murder is intentional on killing the other person.. a micarriage is not. well- msot of the time

At 6/22/01 12:35 AM, Raptorman wrote: Yeah right, it is more fun to stay at home and heckle the hypocracy in the protesters. For example, something like this springs easlly to mind.

You don't like trees cut down but you live in a wood house. You don't like gold mining but you wear gold jewelry. You don't want people to drill for oil yet you drive a car.

You, yes you are as big a part of the problem as everyone else. Just because you belong to the Sierra club does not make your shit less toxic. Just because you march in parades to save a river from being used for irrigation does not mean you use less food to live. The only diffrence is that you are insufferably self righteous about it.

Who do you think powers these mega corporations the rape and loot the earth. Do you think it is a small cabal of evil men sinisterly plotting the fall of the planet while linning their own pockets? Who made the shoes you're wearing? What about that computer your looking at? Or the chair you are sitting at? An evil corporation is behind all of these and you are feeding them by supporting and buying their products.

You are feeding the machine that you claim will destroy the world. At least have the common decentcy to shut the fuck up so the rest of us don't have to hear your indignent prattle.

im not protesting for any of those reasons, im demandng more soveriegnty in those regions

anyone coming out to washington dc for the demonstrations against the imf/world bank- i kno i am. http://www.50years.org anyone against the rape of land of poor countries and corporate rule ought o go and show their opposition to the habits of the internatinal monetary fund and the world bank

At 6/21/01 11:41 AM, Slizor wrote:

I always thought commmunism was hypocritical unless it was anarcho-communism

I assume by that you mean communism that ends up as anarchism. That is exactly what Marx said and since Marx baiscally made communism, it never was hypocritical

uve never heard of anarcho communism? its basically a mutualist bank system type thing- correct me if im wrong anachronist... anywho, i thought it was hyporitical because the pont is to be equal..... yet there are statesmen, etc.

At 6/21/01 11:37 PM, killar wrote:

At 6/21/01 12:07 PM, Slizor wrote: I do, I started beliveing in it shortly after I met Adambomb

I my self think it is sick and twisted, but adambomb's dad realy should of shoved a close hanger up his moms cunt and killed that baby.

countries where abortion is legal there are less deaths caused by abortion- both concerning the child and mother. consider that before u debate abortion

At 6/21/01 08:17 AM, pyroarchy wrote:

At 6/21/01 12:08 AM, Anarchon wrote:

At 6/20/01 11:24 PM, Tyrant_Nero wrote:

At 6/18/01 11:29 PM, Anarchon wrote: I have a report i did on anarchism, its a tad long, but i personally think it is wroth reading, you'all might wanna check it out.
http://www.angelfire.com/punk2/MurphyTheSy/Isearch.html

I don't understand why some people found that article boring. I thought it was a well written, informative piece on a misunderstood way of life. I'm glad that there are more people out there who understand true anarchy and its many forms. Good job.

actually........... in north carolina, the zendik farm tribe are veyr much like an anarchist colony! u should read in on it. as i said in that paper- the number of colonies have been going down with the developement of land, and prices of land going up.

I live in North Carolina.....you mean they buy land and make a colony separated from the outside world to achieve semi-anarchy?

sorta....... i havent really read into it all... this is just what i hear http://www.zendik.org/

so there ya go. have fun!

At 6/14/01 07:53 AM, Anarchypenguin wrote: Bush Is A Fucking Retard! The Reason He wants to drill in alaska is to cut down prices and make sure that we dont support our enemies in the middle east. Let's break this down and explain why he is a fucking retard. 1. America is going to use up domestic resources so in stead of paying 5 dollars for gas now... we'll pay 2... but once domestic reserves fall out... We'll be fucking paying an insane amount becuase we can't use domestic sources... Sure that's fine if your fucking 90 and about to kick it in a few years but for any of us who have a bit of life left in us, in 10 years we'll be paying 200 fucking dollars for a gallon of gas to some ass hole on the other side of the world.
2. Bush Doesn't want to support our enemies inthe middle east with oil trade... but what happens when our reserves run out? Who are we going to go to? Russia? Sure but they'll be monopolizing with they're stock, prices will be fucking crazy... so we'll have to turn to the middle east again. Maybe Sadam Will be dead by then but a fundamentalist anti-american society will not just decide to become pro america for not fucking reason. Bush Isn't thinking ahead, all he wants is a good 4 years so that he can be relected... well... he wasn't REALLY elected the first time... but you know what I mean.

yup- fuck him. its also smack dab in the middle of the caraboue (however the fuck u spell that) migration route. fuck bush.

At 6/11/01 03:17 PM, ERies wrote: At 7:14am Timothy McVeigh was excited by lethal injection. I just want to read some of your thoughts about this day. My thoughts; This man killed 100+ people in that building on that day. If I was one of the families of the victims, I would want that man dead. Everyone is always saying "Think of the children!". Well he killed 19 children that day. Timothy McVeigh is dead. My feelings are 50/50 thou. Just like war, an execution is a last resort.

i heard something about france offering to take him off our hands... if that was true- which owuldnt have surprised me,,, i think we should have done that

At 6/16/01 03:24 AM, Mowkloo wrote: A civilized society doesnt need guns of any form?
Guns only for military and government personnel?
Guns for personal protection in the home?
Guns for any adult to carry at any time?

I want to know your thoughts.

At 6/20/01 01:25 PM, Phantom_Lord wrote:

At 6/20/01 01:08 PM, Slizor wrote:

Communism = no competition
no competetion = no incentive for becoming better
no incentive = no progress
no progress = failure
Communism = failure

Your wrong, the incentive to become better is not competetion, it is to be better, i.e people want to be better, so they become better.

1. You're, not your.
2. If there is no real reason to be better, few people would bother. People don't always give a shit. If they did, the world would be a much better place. :D

I always thought commmunism was hypocritical unless it was anarcho-communism

At 6/20/01 01:22 PM, Phantom_Lord wrote:

At 6/20/01 04:41 AM, shorbe wrote: lady: Representative democracy isn't (representative).

How about getting rid of the politicians all together and having direct democracy?

shorbe

Nah, that would lead to COMPLETE media control.

Jello biafra has a lottof goo dshit on media control. anywho- both candidates were fucking horrible! i'd easily have voted for nader or browne. probably nader... my dad got to have lunch with nader- my dad, the socialist........ hes fucking aewsome... we might try to start a virginia green party, if there isnt one already..

At 6/20/01 11:24 PM, Tyrant_Nero wrote:

At 6/18/01 11:29 PM, Anarchon wrote: I have a report i did on anarchism, its a tad long, but i personally think it is wroth reading, you'all might wanna check it out.
http://www.angelfire.com/punk2/MurphyTheSy/Isearch.html

I don't understand why some people found that article boring. I thought it was a well written, informative piece on a misunderstood way of life. I'm glad that there are more people out there who understand true anarchy and its many forms. Good job.

actually........... in north carolina, the zendik farm tribe are veyr much like an anarchist colony! u should read in on it. as i said in that paper- the number of colonies have been going down with the developement of land, and prices of land going up.

At 6/9/01 08:03 PM, WanDabada wrote: This may not be exactly political (more legal maybe), but do Americans have no concept of money? After reading about the man granted 3 billion dollars by a court case against a tobacco company because he got lung cancer. Does it seem a little odd that he got more money than many developing countries Gross National Product due to a self-inflicted disease thats his own fault? Seems pretty pathetic really. What the fucks he going to do with the damn money anyway?

buy cigarettes.
the money is just gonna get recycled back to the cmoking corporations... hopefuly, someday, we'll all open our eyes and realize marijuana is the way to go- not tobacco