At 1/16/08 01:08 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:
Did you write the Koran?
Let me put it this way...
In order for the world to be peaceful, something must be done to the unpeaceful people that will create peace.
Now terrorists take this rule way out of control and bomb the folk who don't believe. Also remember:
muslim =/= terrorist
terrorist =/= muslim
The fact that people pay the consequences doesn't mean it's not peaceful.
Consequences for not being raised into the right ideology, mind you.
The supernatural side does determine it.
The afterlife IS is the supernatural side though!
OH! Sorry, I didn't know that was what you meant by supernatural.
Besides, if Islam takes over the world (what the topic was originally saying), there won't be many disputes between the people who follow Islam and the people who don't, since there will be little to no people who don't follow it. (Of course, there may be problems within the religion, but it shouldn't be anything too drastic.)
Oh really? No problems, and none too dramatic?
Try the Sunnis and Shiites blowing each others brains out?
Do you think that all muslims are Islamists?
I have friends who are Sunni and I get along fine w/ them (Yes, I'm a Shiite).
The only thing you're pointing out is that people who don't follow it are doomed to Hell.
I'm not going to say that everyone of a certain religion that isn't Islam (say, Christianity, for example) is going to go to Hell
Your Holy book does, and plenty of it's followers.
From Surah Al-Baqara (bismillah ir-rahman ir-raheem)
(110) And they (Jews and Christians) say: None entereth paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian. These are their own desires. Say: Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful. (111) Nay, but whosoever surrendereth his purpose to Allah while doing good, his reward is with his Lord; and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve. (112) And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ. (113) And who doth greater wrong than he who forbiddeth the approach to the sanctuaries of Allah lest His name should be mentioned therein, and striveth for their ruin. As for such, it was never meant that they should enter them except in fear. Theirs in the world is ignominy and theirs in the Hereafter is an awful doom.
Does that clarify things?
So you're going to argue that technically it is a religion of peace, despite people getting mindlessly tortured forever. At the very fucking least, can't you admit that this in itself is plain barbaric and sick?
No one deserves eternal punishment.
Some muslims interpret the quran differently than others. Which is why terrorists will take it in a barbaric way while others see it differently.
And some people do deserve punishment. Are you saying that Adolf Hitler can get away with killing millions of people and be just as good as anyone else? You're saying that:
everyone = everyone
you = hitler
This is life, baby. Not some kind of kiddy game where people can get away with sins. If you take a step in the wrong directino, you'll be in over your head.
