9 Forum Posts by "WeasleX"
At 11/17/14 12:58 PM, AxTekk wrote:At 11/17/14 01:04 AM, WeasleX wrote: Whats recently going on is way too much. One of our members (#GamerGate) was said to have been assaulted recently. I can't confirm nor deny this yet, too recent. If this has happened, I can say that this isn't one sided. Just being able to talk about this risks people getting banned on sites. (Don't know about here though.)So, did it happen?
I don't know, some people say they've seen a video of the incident, and it's been backed up just in case. He went to the police apparently, so, I'll know more when you do.
EDIT: I don't feel like fully commenting on what exactly happened until I can verify it though.
For those of you who think I'm a going to ram what #GamerGate is, I won't, I want people to decide for themselves, even if they disagree, that's called free thinking, I encourage it. Though I can't give you an exact definition, I've joined in late September after hearing stories about the gamers are dead articles. I was curious, I saw Gamasutra's article and got slightly agitated. (To put mildly) I never heard of her before then, because I like most, enjoyed video gameplay footage, what better way to get it than on youtube, and who better to present it to me than TotalBiscuit.
I've been a fan of TB's for over a year now, and watched a co-optional-podcast with Jon Tron guest starting. I was looking forward to it actually, I find Jon Tron humorous. Though the show had quite a serious tone, and focused on things he said on twitter he regrets. I didn't understand most of it, I was insulated from the gaming media, I followed Kotaku every now and then but that was it. So I dug on the net, found some things that upset me, and joined #GamerGate. Why, because I think actions do speak louder than words. I won't go in depth, but they've saved The Fine Young Capitalists, set up various charities, started an anti-harassment group on tumbler, twitter, 8chan ect. They aren't all saints as it's a hash tag with no requirements to join, so there are some trouble makers. We've been pretty good to make sure to exclude those we perceive as trolls. We don't tolerate doxing, threats, harassment, so on the whole, it's not perfect, but most members are good.
What do we stand for... that's a good question, some want transparency in gaming journalism, some want to burn Gawker straight to the ground (figuratively speaking of course.), some want Social Justice Warriors or special interest groups to stay out of our media. Me, I just want to go back to gaming, but I think I'm in too deep now, I've met people online that are nice. Maybe I've made a few online friends, I'd feel like I abandon them if I left, I just can't do it now.
So... where does this leave the discussion, I'm not asking anyone to join, or build a picket line, I'm asking people form their own opinion, do some digging if your interested, get some info on the movement, or just pick my brain. I've been following the movement since late September, I may be able to answer some questions if you have any. The best place to start looking? I'd say try with my hero TB:
https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/this-game-supports-more-than-two-players-jazz-edition
https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/weaponised-charity
OR our opponents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OflBPs49vok&list=UUvixJtaXuNdMPUGdOPcY8Ag
At 10/25/14 10:41 PM, meapie wrote: You've heard both side of the gamergate like "Gamers are dead" And "Notyourshield" and all the controversy.
It may sound one sided but really. All of us are in a constant sate of paralysis. Why? Doxing. It's hurt many speakers of feminism and pro gamer gate supporters. And affected people barley associated like boogie and Jontron. Nobody can speak their opinions with the constant threat of getting their personal information stolen. It's an attempt to silence either side to get their opinion to be correct. What do you guys think?
Whats recently going on is way too much. One of our members (#GamerGate) was said to have been assaulted recently. I can't confirm nor deny this yet, too recent. If this has happened, I can say that this isn't one sided. Just being able to talk about this risks people getting banned on sites. (Don't know about here though.)
At 11/29/13 02:11 PM, derelix wrote:At 11/28/13 12:55 PM, WeasleX wrote: @ Cherubas There's a documentary called Playing Columbine, I posted this before, so I'll post it again. For gamers who don't understand why games like these need to be made, you need to watch it. If not, I'll sum it up, its meant to allow us in on important conversations. Such as the one we're having now, should games like school shootings exist? It's a tough question, but I think the answer may surprise you. I think we do, for the simple fact that gamers haven't been into to many thought provoking debates. We're told, games are for children, nothing more, nothing less, they're toys and can not be elevated beyond that. They are not art forms, and to think as such is blasphemy. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 respect dollars, your a game. (blea)I want to agree with that but what is with the "if it's done respectfully" thing? Do you honestly think SCMRPG was done respectably or even more respectably than this game?
Yet, since the release of Super Columbine Massacre RPG, I think we can finally see beyond that. It gives us a chance to tell people what we think about our world around us. Games can go beyond that, and it took, not only a school shooting, but a game to be made about a school shooting to get us to start talking about this. It's just the kind of conversation we need to have, so yes, I'll defend games like these, provided they're done with some decorum of respect, and are not meant to provoke, so much as to allow us to have a dialog. SCMRPG, had such, it had a forum site to discuss the impact of school shootings, and was done respectfully.
Though, I can't say the same for this game, though to be honest, I've never played it. So to say I'll defend this particular game to the death would be a lie, I'm not. However, I will defend games like these if done correctly, and respectfully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo4OeLMbLtg
At least the sandy hook one shows the shooter as a slow and pathetic monster, the SCMRPG was pure shooter fantasy and you played most of the game after the shooting where you (eric and dylan) are in hell and "demon gods" and given superpowers.
I get that it certainly should exist, I think it was brilliant in a crazy person ranting kind of way, but it was anything but respectable. It changes the facts to make the shooters look like heroes (they add a whole "protecting the innocent kid from bullies" scene in the game even though the shooters in real life were prone to bullying small kids themselves) and it constantly mocks and demeans the students with it's portrayal which yes you could argue is a way of showing their point of view but I don't see that argument being made with this game.
Bottom line, I think that game was pretty thought provoking but I also think that came from the gamers rather than the game itself, despite what the creator constantly tries to tell people.
Or the fact that it had a forum to talk about this game and school shootings? Or the fact that it had real life items (as pixelated as they were) such as an automatic weapon or the presidents speech? Or even the fact that I learned things that were fact in this game that was overshadowed by the media? (I was actually a little upset to find out that they were making bombs in their basement, Or shooting automatic weapons they bought in the garage, where the fudge were their parents?!?! And if two kids can get access to automatic weapons, what the fubar!?!)
So yeah, I was upset with the incident, and until this game was built, I really wasn't apart of the discussion, because 'gamers' were seen as evil in the eyes of the media. The two shooters played Doom, so naturally anyone who play's that game is going to torch up a school, or so say's the media. So yeah... what kind of opinion could I have that would be relevant? Apparently I'm a Doom player, ignore my comments and peg me as evil.
Media aside I'm more pissed off that the NRA has control of the government, (They buy elections ergo, they control the government) and we can't even get a simple common sense bill passed to prevent this sort of thing from happening. Instead, gamers, or violent media, or anything except the thing to kill people in mass is blamed. Until the government is directly threatened, or if some senator's kids get's blown away, nothing is going to happen, so yeah... a little miffed about this, and there is nothing I can do, not one damn thing. This crap is going to keep happening, and it's becoming more frequent, but our government would rather debate, and argue, than actually solve the problem, incompetent boobs they are. However, I'm getting way off topic here, even though that felt good to get off my chest.
SCMRPG, needed to be made, there's no doubt in my mind that it didn't. I wasn't able to speak my mind before, but I am now. So to answer your question, yes, I do think this game was done respectfully. With that, I leave you with Foamy:
@ Cherubas There's a documentary called Playing Columbine, I posted this before, so I'll post it again. For gamers who don't understand why games like these need to be made, you need to watch it. If not, I'll sum it up, its meant to allow us in on important conversations. Such as the one we're having now, should games like school shootings exist? It's a tough question, but I think the answer may surprise you. I think we do, for the simple fact that gamers haven't been into to many thought provoking debates. We're told, games are for children, nothing more, nothing less, they're toys and can not be elevated beyond that. They are not art forms, and to think as such is blasphemy. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 respect dollars, your a game. (blea)
Yet, since the release of Super Columbine Massacre RPG, I think we can finally see beyond that. It gives us a chance to tell people what we think about our world around us. Games can go beyond that, and it took, not only a school shooting, but a game to be made about a school shooting to get us to start talking about this. It's just the kind of conversation we need to have, so yes, I'll defend games like these, provided they're done with some decorum of respect, and are not meant to provoke, so much as to allow us to have a dialog. SCMRPG, had such, it had a forum site to discuss the impact of school shootings, and was done respectfully.
Though, I can't say the same for this game, though to be honest, I've never played it. So to say I'll defend this particular game to the death would be a lie, I'm not. However, I will defend games like these if done correctly, and respectfully.
Your forgetting one important thing Tom. Even if all these changes take place, it's still going to be the same place where creative, music, gaming artists can hang out. That will (hopefully) never ever change. EVER!!!
At 11/22/13 10:37 AM, TomFulp wrote:At 11/21/13 08:06 PM, Parlux wrote: Tom I feel this is just a public relations stunt just to save your own ass and you're a hypocrite because you did this years in ago in 1999 with Pico's School . The Foundation of that game and the technical achievements with such a early version of Micromedia flash was amazing for that time despite the graphic content of the game.I made Pico when I was near the same age as the kids at Columbine and it was as far as I was willing to go in the name of shock value - a game that was about school shooting but not about Columbine; a game where you fought back against the school shooters, not a game where you ARE the school shooter.
If you really feel this way maybe the NGA was right and the website should be Banned or why stop at that flash maybe all the offensive content like the 9/11 flashes they are just as offensive? Or how about the other school shooting flash games and movies like Virginia tech and Columbine High School massacre
PiGPEN took the school shooting theme to a different level when he made V-Tech Rampage. We kept the game up on NG in the name of freedom and I dealt with all the hatemail and backlash.
Now PiGPEN felt compelled to do it a second time, this time with even younger victims and even more realism and darkness. This time it has a political message but I don't personally buy those motives. He crossed the line where I finally said "This is not what Newgrounds is about and I am not going to defend it." I no longer care who I let down or what people think. As far as I'm concerned, this week can be the week that Newgrounds died for the people who this matters to.
Honestly Tom, don't take it too personally, children be children, and some come back and some don't. Again, don't take it personally, some people need to vent. Truth be told, I've been to Newgrounds a lot longer than what it says in my profile, call me a long time lurker. The one thing I've found about this site, is that Newgrounds will never die, provided there are people willing to make those difficult choices every now and then.
The fact that my first few posts (EVER) are in defense of you should speak volumes as well. I usually try and avoid drama, and Newgrounds always seems to have an abundance of supply. So, to stick my neck out... not really my thing, and I'll probably be flamed/trolled/monkeyed, because of the simple fact that I'm standing up for you. One game being pulled (Once in a lifetime, mind you) because your trying to do what you feel is right, is not the reason I'd leave, it's the reason I'd stay. It means you have strong morals, and your willing to stand up for what you believe in. Just as you've stood up for all the games/movies/music/ect that others took offense to, and tried to get it pulled.
For those that are leaving, I wish the best of luck, I'll be right here, I ain't leaving. ~WeasleX
Honestly, I didn't think there's much of an issue here, so I guess I say my two cents and leave it at that.
Tom should be noted for doing a few things here. For starters, he pulled a game, (again, no biggy) and he did so because he thought of respecting those who have just been through a tragedy. Another, he owned up to doing so with this news event. He didn't hide the fact that he did this, he didn't lie about it, he OWNED UP TO IT. He even respectfully gave the game in question credit for it's message. It's not as if he said, bla bla bla, bad game, bla bla bla, piece of crud, bla bla bla!!! So I give him credit for being respectful.
It's also noteworthy, that Tom doesn't do this on a daily basis, and he's had plenty of reasons to. He's even had sponsors leave him for the content that's been posted, some disgusting, or grotesque bile that should never be seen by the naked eye are posted and defended here. Honestly, if he say's he's pulling something, trust him, it's something that may just be worth pulling. I'm not defending him, or arguing his case, I'm just... well... giving my two cents, which is worth just that, two cents.
Super Columbine massacre RPG represents one of the most controversial games in existence, yet it was known as the most important games in history, for the shear fact that it made a shooting game around a school shooting. It was met with the same criticism we are talking about today. I understand why it was pulled, BUT, I also understand that if it was a tasteful representation it should be met with some decorum of respect.
If you doubt me about SCMRPG, check here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo4OeLMbLtg
This is a documentary called Playing Columbine. Trust me, if you watch any documentary, it's this.
