At 12/1/05 11:06 AM, punisher19848 wrote: Make no mistake: he was allied with us, but this alliance was quickly dissolved once the war ended. He used our anti-nazi agenda to further his own purposes. In hindsite, maybe we should have listened to Patton and turned on the U.S.S.R. right after Berlin fell...

Doing that is quite possibly one of the stupidest things i've heard in a long time. Russia's armys were deployed all over the European front and outnumbered the other allied military forces.

At 11/30/05 07:07 PM, Captain_Kuro wrote: I see no real reason Stalin should be considered our great aliies. The belief that he is one is sadly quite widespread, there is also the belief that "everyone knows it was russia that saved the allies". Well, one could put it like that, but then again, he only did so after becoming HITLERS FUCKING ALLY! Then Hitler did something stupid by invading Russia, and Stalin, not taking this lightly, joined the allies to destroy Hitler. He then went on to establish a brutal totalitarian regime and later a brutal oppressive empire. What made him such a great ally?

You really are a retard. It doesn't matter what he did with his own nation, fact is that he was an ally, and a great ally for doing the most damage to the Krouts.

Most countries having nukes is good. They are a deterrant for other countries. For instance, knowing China has nukes is the reason no other country would nuke them.

You should be more scared a of a revolutionary terrorist figurehead coming into power.

At 11/29/05 12:46 AM, Locke666 wrote: Yet the white community still has a crushing guilt complex over what happened to the blacks long ago.

I really couldn't give a flying fuck about what happened to the negros. You will find that the current white community doesn't have this "crushing guilt" because they didn't do it.

All that shit happened ages ago so get over it. Saying that the white community should feel guilt for what some americans did is just as racist as calling all blacks thiefs. Some white people enslaved negros, so what, that doesnt mean that every white person did.

At 11/29/05 12:16 AM, Locke666 wrote: Makes you feel good to think of black people asking you to be their master does it Bob? and you dont feel any guilt that your ancestors enslaved and abused an entire race of people?

How could some americans enslave and abuse an ENTIRE race of people?
Last i heard, the yanks didnt deport every single black to america.

At 11/27/05 07:54 PM, Redbob86 wrote: While I want Bin Laden dead just as anyone else does, he no longer holds any real power over the Taliban. He's constantly on the run, he's been living his life in caves, and recently in poor health, he no longer makes direct contact with the Taliban members, and he isn't viewed as a central figure amongst terrorists considering he has basically deserted them.

Thats just what the US government wants you to think to cover up their incompetence and failed attempts to capture him.

lol at tom cruise

cough*bill of rights*cough

At 11/2/05 12:19 PM, Lidov wrote: It doesn't matter that they were Jews! It doesn't matter that they were powerful!

I'm not saying it does matter very much, I'm saying the people who turned him in to be killed were very powerful Jews.

A powerful Mulim did the 9\11, is it right to say that the Mulims did the 9\11!?

The high priests of Jerusalem at the time were the top Jews, a correct analogy would be to compare it to the pope who agreed to the crusades. 9/11 has shit all to do with this.

At 11/2/05 02:58 AM, xj700t wrote: no one even remebered jesus until 400 years after his death,

I'm afraid you're mistaken.

jesus had commited crimes before the roman empire as they saw it.

Such as?

At 11/1/05 07:50 AM, Lidov wrote: Second of all, as you say, the high priests of Judeah and them alone turned him in! So it is wrong to ay that the Jews killed him if only several Jews made a desicion of turning him in by themselves.

The underlying principle is that they were Jews, also that the Jews that did it were the most powerful Jews of the time. I'll bring it back to Nazi Germany, it is correct to say that Germans caused the deaths several million Jews, they were German so the statement is correct. The Jews that turned Jesus in to be killed were Jews.

if rap/rnb/black music etc... got banned also then i would wanna goto this school

At 10/31/05 03:59 PM, Lidov wrote: not all the Jews of Rome turned him in...

No, the High Priest Jews of Judea (highest position a Jew could get) turned him in to be killed. I dont know where you got "jews of rome" from.

At 10/31/05 02:33 PM, Lidov wrote: Yeah, well, if we are going to state "proves'' from these things which were made by the people who wanted the world to think that we killed him, then the situation is bad.

The Gospels are about Jews, they are not anti-semitic and the historical references they contain are more accurate than any other source of the time.

I am Jewish. The point I am trying to make is double. First of all, it says that the Jews didn't kill jesus. Second of all, I say that it doesn't matter and that it doesn't justify any of the anti-semite acts which were committed against the Jews for killing Jesus.

FFS, get your head out of your ass, I never said the Jews causing Jesus' death justifys anti-semitic acts. There are over 2 billion Christians in this world so it does matter who caused Jesus' death.

oops, left out otrher stuff.

At 10/30/05 08:18 AM, Lidov wrote: However, I can tell you that if the Romans agreed to crustify him, they would look after him evantually. Besides, by your religion, he would have to die in pain to get rid of the humankind's sins. Without the Jews (as you claim) killing Jesus, there wouldn't be any Christianity today.

The Romans didn't give a shit about Jesus nor did they care much about Jewish affairs. I'm an Atheist. I know he was suppose to die but the point I'm making is that Jews were the cause of his death.

At 10/30/05 08:18 AM, Lidov wrote:

At 10/30/05 06:22 AM, TurnipClock wrote: Proof? (no old age or natural causes shit please)

Well, I can't prove it as much as you can't prove that we actually turned him in.

Read the end bits of the gospels dude.

At 10/29/05 06:13 AM, Lidov wrote: but Jesus' death would happen evantually, with or without the Jews.

Proof? (no old age or natural causes shit please)

At 10/28/05 06:48 AM, Lidov wrote:

Than again, itm is not the jews' fault. The governor didn't always did what the Jews told them too, or even more correctly, always didn't do what the jews told him too. If you are saing that he killed Jesus to preserve his neck, then it is not the jews' fault at all.

But you're forgetting the Jews took Jesus to Pilate for him to have Jesus killed.

However, it is not very vorrect, Pontius said no for a lot of things the Jews asked him to do for them in that time. The fact that he killed Jesus points on the fact that there is something else than the Jewish leaders' will to get ridd of him.

Just because he might have said no to peasants doesn't mean he will say no the most powerful Jews. Reading the end sections of the gospels will do you good.

It doesn't matter, the Romans didn't listen to them most of the time. I can count with one hand the times they accepted the Jews' request, and in all of them, there was a hidden interest for the Romans.

I didn't say they listened to them all the time, i said they listened to them this time. Again i will reiterate on that the hgih priests weren't just peasants, they were very very wealthy and had the support of the people.

Even if the Jewish leaders knew that he is going to kill him and that was the reason for them to turn him in, it doesn't mean that it is what the people wanted.

What do you mean "Even if the Jewish leaders knew that he is going to kill him", JEWS TOOK JESUS TO PILATE TO HAVE HIM EXECUTED. I'm not saying every Jew wanted Jesus killed, I' saying Jews caused his death.

Well, I can win, because I am right. However, after you said this sentance, and I said mine, no-one is going to quite in this debate in the midle and say that the other one is right. Anyway, I just know that I am right, and that blaming THE JEWS for killing Jesus is the dumbest thing evah!

If saying the Jews are responsible for Jesus' death is stupid then by implication your saying it is stupid to say it is Hitler's fault for the death of Jews. You aren' right.

At 10/27/05 12:01 PM, Lidov wrote:

You and everyone else agrees that Hitler killed several millions Jews, right?

Yup, a crappy man indeed.

I never said Hitler was a crappy man, your answer is either evading the question being asked or contradicting everything your point it made up of.

First of all, he did kill several Jews in his own gun. Second of all, turning someone in, is not similar to ordering someone else to kill someone in any way! Besides, as you may know, the leaders of the great Roman empire, didn't listen to their unroman citizens, whom the Jews are part from. So, if the Romans did chose to kill Jesus after all, it was because they wanted to kill him in the first place!! The Romans didn't do everything that the Jews told them too, which means that they were going to kill him anyway.

Pontius Pilate did as the high priests said in regards to Jesus as he feared a possible uprising for not doing it. Even though the uprising would have been crushed easily, he was "in shit with the boss" and an attempted uprising would cause him to loose him position as govenor or Judea.

Now the high priests not being Roman didn't mean they had no power, they were the absolute supiriors of all Jews in Judea (except Herod of course). They weren't just poverty stricken carpenters, they were aristocrats ridden with wealth and riches which made them influential.

Theres no point in you arguing because you can't win.

At 8/1/05 03:37 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: and for those who actually believe that, it was the romans

Although i agree the romans did kill him, certain Jews were the cause of it.

You and everyone else agrees that Hitler killed several millions Jews, right?
But he did not kill them, he told other people to have them killed (Eichman etc) and they complied; yet although Hitler did not physically kill them it is accepted that he did kill them.

The same thing goes with Jesus, although the Romans did the deed, the Jews caused it, therefore the Jews killed him.

At 10/27/05 07:01 AM, therealsylvos wrote:

At 10/26/05 06:32 AM, TurnipClock wrote: At 10/22/05 05:01 PM, gumOnShoe wrote

While we used to sacrifice animals we now pray peacefully for peace. We love our neighbors, welcome them into our homes. We work, we contribute to civilization, and we don't hurt anyone simply because of what they believe in.

You aren't a Jew from several thousand years ago, what you are like has shit-all to do with what they were like or did back then.

so youre saying back then we hurt people simply for what they believed in, and we didnt contribute to civilazation? oh and gum please dont use the "we dont slaghter animals" thing because we do. and i firmly believe there isnt anything wrong with that

What I'm saying is that you aren't a Jew from back there nor is any other Jew alive today, so whatever bullshit you stand for has nothing to do with the Jews from 2000 years ago.

At 10/26/05 03:36 PM, Lidov wrote: The jewish leaders of that time, where the religious leaders, and Jesus threatened the Jewish religion, so they hated him.

The Jews were anxiously awaiting the coming of the messiah to free them from Roman control. The Pharases were extremly materialistic and lived in extreme wealth at the time, they expected the proclaimed messiah to be a great wealthy king with a large army (lol werent they wrong).

Jesus reached out to the ostracized groups of people (blind, lame, et cetera) and offered them forgiveness which could only be given by the Priests. As Jesus grew support the Pharases felt very threatned by him because if he continued the way he was going they might loose all their support. They needed an excuse to get him killed so they used the temple incident (when he went apeshit inside the Jew temple when people were trading money and buying animals etc) as their excuse.

Pontius Pilate although being a very harsh man himself was essentially forced to follow the Pharases lead him having Jesus killed as not doing so might of sparked a Jewish rebellion.

At 10/26/05 01:33 PM, Toadenalin wrote: Your source is a little biased - you'd expect a rabbi to say 'Jews are not to blame'. Pilate is a useful scapegoat

The Jews aren't to blame, the greedy high priest Jews of the time were to blame.

At 10/26/05 09:02 PM, affejunge wrote: So... what relationsip does Jesus, Japan, and Romanads have with Nazism?

None I can see.

You obviously can't understand what context is.

At 10/22/05 05:05 PM, gumOnShoe wrote: Yes the romans killed Jesus. Just like they did thousands of other jews. Simply because they believed him to be causing trouble. Why would the jews kill him and nail king of the jews over his head. Aren't we bright?

Jesus was killed by the Romands because the Jews could not condem a man to death. The high priests were threatened by Jesus because he went against there way of doing shit (which was very much money-oriented), and in turn they handed him over to the Romans to be killed.

I'm not tacking a jab at Jews, I'm just saying the high preists caused his death.

At 10/22/05 09:10 AM, sark88 wrote:

What about what the Jews did to the Cannanites? or what they are doing to the Palestinians?
Get over yourself, its just as easy to hate Nazism as it is to compare Nazism to what the Jews have done.

You forgot to mention the execution of Jesus Christ

No i left that out because Christ *had* to die for our sins (regardless of who killed him, he still needed to be killed by someone).

At 10/22/05 11:41 AM, Mr_B_Wich wrote: Do you live there? They rioted because of the Nazi did you even read my first post "A Neo-Nazi group CAUSED riots there last weekend"

I dont care what your post was called, the NSM had a march through the city, the retarded city-dwelling youth who dropped out of school turned a peacefull march into a riot. Regardless of what the NSM stands for, they did not cause the riot nor did they participate in it.

At 10/22/05 05:01 PM, gumOnShoe wrote

While we used to sacrifice animals we now pray peacefully for peace. We love our neighbors, welcome them into our homes. We work, we contribute to civilization, and we don't hurt anyone simply because of what they believe in.

You aren't a Jew from several thousand years ago, what you are like has shit-all to do with what they were like or did back then.

As for today, Israelies are currently in a battle with terrorists. The palestinians were offered peace, they were offered land, and they refused all of it.

If i recall the Palestinians were there first. How would you like it if you lived in a great place and then got told to go live in the desert?

They left their homes so that guerilla warfare could be used against the new nation as several nations attacked in a failed attempt.

Yeah, i'm sure every single Palestinian left their homes to participate in guerilla warfare. Please die you propagandist.

You are obviously a nazi, and will not listen to reason. You are as anti semetic and your insinuations are not appreciated. The Jews don't control the country, or the world. They don't control the media and they certainly aren't the stingy uncaring people you imagine them to be.

I am no Nazi, just because I completly disagree with you doesn't mean i want to gas you. I never stipulated the Jews controlled the world or the media nor would i ever beleive such a laughable thing. Please get fucked.

If you could sue God, then which church is liable?
(end of debate)

www.nsm88.com

You can get the full story of the Toledo thing there.

At 10/22/05 01:07 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: That is good enough for me, and the fact that they would do it again if they tried. I enjoy being able to "make my own decisions" or at least believe that I can. The complete disrespect for human life is also a turn off. I'm sorry if I want to be able to say what I want and live to see the sun rise without fear for me, my family or my friends.

Nazis aren't cool. They were based on an inconcieved idea in strenous times. Essentially they misinterprated darwin for their own political advantage.

What about what the Jews did to the Cannanites? or what they are doing to the Palestinians?
Get over yourself, its just as easy to hate Nazism as it is to compare Nazism to what the Jews have done.