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At 9/30/13 01:04 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote:

At 9/27/13 01:01 PM, TrueLancer wrote: First off, cars are not 'self-driving'. You have to... drive them around.

Read the news. Cars can now drive themselves.

Secondly, gun dealers DO have to do background checks. However, the rules are relaxed if you're not in the business of selling guns (for example, if I wanted to sell my gun to my cousin or if my wife or child wanted to inherit my property after I die, that's fine).

I Know. This is the problem. I should not be allowed to just sell you a gun. We should have to go to a 3rd party dealer and conduct the sale with the proper paper work and background checks. Otherwise, I could just buy a gun, pass the background check, and then sell it to a felon. It happens all the time and it's a problem.

Finally, there is NO GUNSHOW LOOPHOLE.

You just told me there was. Read your previous quote.

straw purchases are ILLEGAL and they're difficult to stop because...

because I can just sell anyone a gun without asking any questions or filling out any paperwork.

Also, you probably should stop being rude and insulting everybody.

A) welcome to Newgrounds
B) stop being fucking stupid and I'll stop telling you how fucking stupid you are.

You are stupid. You explained to me the loophole, and then denied it exists. That's fucking stupid. You're fucking stupid because you say stupid fucking things like that.

check this out: Do you think we should sell babies guns?
-- I'm going to just assume you said "no"
-- Well, genius, that's a form of Gun Control.

Do you think we should sell a guy a gun when he walked into the store, pissed off, drunk, and told the guy behind the counter he needed it to murder a bunch of cops?
-- I'm going to assume you said "no" again.
-- Well, that's a form of Gun Control.

So now let me ask you, do you think we should have Gun Control?
-- I'm going to assume that you said "no" again.
-- Why? Because you're fucking stupid.


If all it does is stop 2% of the bad guys from getting guns, it's successful. Very clearly we need Gun Control. We already have it. We don't say babies guns. We don't sell average citizens grenade launchers. Grenade Launchers are highly controlled and you'll notice that there is a very distinct lack of grenade launcher related violence on the street. All grenade launchers are "black market" -- and yet, there are very few of them out there. Why? Because you can't just go the fucking store and buy one.

Fuck man, do something to fix the fucking problem. You learn this shit in kindergarten. Got a problem? Fix it. 11,000+ people get murdered by a gun... fix the fucking problem. Do something. Anything. Stop being a stupid, lazy, piece of shit.

I don't have anything against you personally, I'm just tired of trying to act civilized when all I get back is a bunch of slack-jawed hill-billy bullshit and NRA propaganda. Use your fucking head.

Alright, so this is just you being a ranter and insane. Whatever. I'm done trying to discuss things with people who just post racism and don't take stuff seriously.

Nobody is saying sell guns to children and criminals. NOBODY is saying to do that. However, saying people should have the ability to enjoy the rights given to them in the Constitution does not automatically make them a dumb NRA hillbilly.

It's called knowing your nation's history.

There are no loopholes. None. You're saying just because a criminal exists means the laws don't work. Newsflash: speeding and murder are illegal but nobody calls speeders or killers people who are taking advantage of the 'murder' loophole or the 'speeding loophole'.

At 9/30/13 02:00 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 9/27/13 01:01 PM, TrueLancer wrote: First off, cars are not 'self-driving'. You have to... drive them around.

Irrelevant. Cars are a productive item that happen to have a dangerous side effect. Guns are a dangerous item that happen to have some productive uses.

THERE IS NO GUNSHOW LOOPHOLE.

Yes there is, otherwise gun shows wouldn't be able to sell much of anything at all. If they had to hold their product after sale for the three or so days required for a check the show would already be at the next town by the time the majority of customers would be able to redeem their purchase.

First off, only 2% of all guns that are used in crimes come from gun shows. :
The other 98% of guns are black market or used by criminals doing crimes.

Where do you think black market guns come from?

There's a reason why violent crimes happen in the ghettoes and poor districts as opposed to mansions.

People get killed in mansions and wealthy estates all the time.

All people deserve a chance to have their voices heard, no matter their background or race or creed or whatever.

Except for poor black people. I mean, according to you, they are the ones killing everyone, amirite?

The gun show loophole is a lie. There is not one. Gun shows are responsible and gun crimes essentially DO NOT HAPPEN there. Police go to these places. If you're a criminal, you DO NOT GO TO GUN SHOWS.

Second, stop being racist against black people. There are good black people and bad black people, just like EVERY OTHER COLOR OF PEOPLE. Stop being racist.

Finally, guns and cars are the same in the regard you happen to say. "Cars are a productive item that happen to have a dangerous side effect. Guns are a dangerous item that happen to have some productive uses." Cars are ALSO dangerous items that have productive uses. Any item is dangerous when misused. Ultimately, it turns out PEOPLE are dangerous items if misused, but that doesn't mean we should get rid of people. Your logic in this case is terrible.

Finally... no, wealthy people are not being murdered 'all the time'. Mansion murders, while popular in detective novels and games of CLUE, are so rare as to be nonexistent. Don't say nonsense.

At 9/20/13 05:13 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote:

At 9/20/13 02:24 AM, TrueLancer wrote: Please don't say crazy things. Yes, things are 'different', but that doesn't mean we can't use different things to get a sense of scale.

Also, there are no 'gunshow loopholes'.

Under the terms of the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, individuals "not engaged in the business" of dealing firearms, or who only make "occasional" sales within their state of residence, are under no requirement to conduct background checks on purchasers or maintain records of sale.

Criminals can buy guns at gun shows because no-one there will do a background check on them to find out that they're criminals. It's a known problem, why would you not want to fix this?

Furthermore, there's no warning on a car that magically prevents it from hurting people.

Cars drive themselves these days... like, 100% by themselves. There are numerous safety devices on these cars that stop them from hitting things. Even cars that don't drive themselves come with audible warnings and auto-breaking systems to prevent collisions. I don't know where you've been living the past decade, but here in "the real world" this shit exists.

Car manufactures are working real hard to make sure that cars can't kill anyone. It's one of their main goals. In fact, it's generally a top priority for all companies. Nobody wants to sell you a bed with a high mortality rate.

11,000 people COULD be even smaller. We could... blah blah blah, bunch of stupid bullshit.

Or, before we act like fucking idiots and do your stupid ass ideas, we could just enforce background checks and gun records to help prevent the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. You know.. something sane.

It worries me that the guy who claims that he needs a gun is the same idiot that thinks "tieing people up" is a solution a to a problem. Yeah, I bet you are against gun control, you're the first type of maniac we're going to take the guns away from. What the fuck is wrong with you?

First off, cars are not 'self-driving'. You have to... drive them around.

Secondly, gun dealers DO have to do background checks. However, the rules are relaxed if you're not in the business of selling guns (for example, if I wanted to sell my gun to my cousin or if my wife or child wanted to inherit my property after I die, that's fine).

However, NOBODY wants their products used in crimes. Gun manufacturers are in the same boat. They don't want people dying. Believe it or not, it's bad for business.

Finally, there is NO GUNSHOW LOOPHOLE.

Let me say that again in case you didn't understand it.

THERE IS NO GUNSHOW LOOPHOLE.

First off, only 2% of all guns that are used in crimes come from gun shows. When you break that number down, some of these are minor crimes (misdemeanor possession or failing to have a lock) as opposed to TERRORISM. Secondly, criminals are not purchasing these guns; these are straw purchases, where a person buys a gun and gives it to a criminal. In case you don't know - straw purchases are ILLEGAL and they're difficult to stop because you literally can't stop all crime. It's similar to purchasing cigarettes for an 17 year-old kid; yeah, it's illegal, but you can only punish people after the fact because (so far) mind-reading is impossible.

The other 98% of guns are black market or used by criminals doing crimes. These are already illegal. We need to stop wasting money on the Defense budget or wasting it by the government and instead reinvest it in America. It turns out we won't have as many problems if we put the money into education and taking care of the poor - a majority of gun crimes are done by poor people who have nothing to lose. Reinvesting in our people instead of turning a blind eye to the plight of the poor will go a long way into stopping all the terrible stuff from happening. There's a reason why violent crimes happen in the ghettoes and poor districts as opposed to mansions.

Also, you probably should stop being rude and insulting everybody. You're the exact sort of person who seems like they enjoy causing violence and hurting people. Nobody here is out to get you. You should just relax and calm down and stop throwing such slurs around. All people deserve a chance to have their voices heard, no matter their background or race or creed or whatever.

Please don't say crazy things. Yes, things are 'different', but that doesn't mean we can't use different things to get a sense of scale.

Also, there are no 'gunshow loopholes'. That's not a thing that actually exists. It's something Freedom Controllers want to claim to take away people's rights to have guns. They use the same sorts of spurious arguments to argue for why Muslims shouldn't be free in America.

Furthermore, there's no warning on a car that magically prevents it from hurting people.

See, the big problem here is that you believe, *ultimately*, that your safety is in the hands of the government and whoever controls you and that if anything bad happens to a person, it must be that person's fault.

Protip: just LIVING means you can get hurt. You might fall off your bed and break your neck - that doesn't mean the bedmaker is responsible, it just means you got a bad wrap.

11,000 people COULD be even smaller. We could tie up children and prevent adults from leaving areas without an armed escort. We could close down bars. We could destroy all media and TV except for the channels the government sponsor. Anybody who breaks any law whatsoever could be immediately executed without a trial or a chance to get out on technicalities or parole.

That would 'save lives', but the loss in quality of living would be tremendous. You can't use the 'think of the children' excuse or 'even just ONE more life...' fallacy in this argument.

At 8/19/13 04:18 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote:

At 8/19/13 02:08 PM, TrueLancer wrote: So, you think guns are great and people should own them. You *also* think the problem is people having and owning guns.

it's the same argument gun advocates make -- Guns are harmless, it's the people that use them that make them dangerous. The only difference is that I'm saying Guns are not harmless, they're dangerous... and it's the people who think that guns are harmless that make them so dangerous.

First off, your whole car analogy is ridiculous

Agreed. Guns are not cars. Guns are not hammers. Guns are not baby toys. I didn't bring it up, you did.

guns are already a *very* overly controlled object

No they are not. Right now I can sell an assault riffle with a 100 round magazine to a complete stranger out the back of a van in an ally way behind a bar with no questions asked and it's perfectly legal. Nobody knows it happened, nobody knows who owns the gun, and nobody knows if the person who bought it is even able to own a gun, or sane enough to wield one. There are zero laws requiring me to do any paper work on the sale and there are no laws that prevent person to person sales like this without a background check. These laws have open loopholes in them that allow people to by pass waiting periods and background checks -- it's one of the major issues with Gun Control. Gun Control is pointless if you can bypass all the safety measures just by going to a gun show or purchasing your weapon from a "friend".

that has many safety features already built in.

As far as I know, nobody has made a gun that stops the bullets from hitting innocent people. Unlike cars, there's no warning on a gun that says "I can't let you do that, somebody will get hurt".

As of right now, more people die to CARS than to GUNS,

Because everybody owns a car, sometimes 2 or 3, and they use them all day every day. Yeah... the statistics are probably higher. That in no way changes the fact that gun violence is a problem in America.

11,000 people in a world of 7 BILLION is relatively small.

It could be even smaller.

At 8/19/13 08:21 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: More Fast and Furious guns show up

did those cartels get background checks when they got guns?

Yes. That's why the ATF sent them their guns.

Also, because they're terrible Americans and even worse people.

At 8/16/13 02:19 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote:

At 8/15/13 03:31 PM, TrueLancer wrote: Nonsense. 11,000 human lives (when we're talking about 7 BILLION people alive....

Trust me, I'm not a crazy murderer... I just don't care about human lives because there are lots of people. So what if I shoot this one guy, there are 7 billion others. This is terrible logic to have... it's also why I don't trust you with a gun.

you should be even MORE worked up about the following things:

We are. It's possible to be worked up over more then one thing. The difference, is that those other items are activly admiting that there is a problem and are taking steps to improve or remove the problem all together.

OSHA regulates everything from Hammers and Shovels to Ladders and hard hats... and they do random checks and update their laws frequently to insure that safety is always a #1 concern for every single person on the job. At no point does OSHA deny the dangers of using a hammer... instead they admit the risk and then go out of their way to insure that the risk is minimized.

Cars require all sorts of paper work and licences to use. Constant check up, identification plates, etc... and cops constantly sit on the side of the road insuring that everyone who uses a vehicle is doing so correctly. Nobody denies that cars are dangerous... instead we advertise their dangers and encourage people to act responsibly when using one. Then we actively check with extreme force to make sure that those laws are upheld. In the meantime, we constantly update our cars with all sorts of safety features to insure the accidents can't happen. Cars are driving themselves and literally getting to the point where they can't hit other objects. Some cars will stop by themselves before colliding with another object -- soon to make it damn-near impossible to run a person over.

Why Gun Advocates think guns, or all things, don't require the same treatment is beyond me.

First off, you're a dummy.

First, you say this: "What's really crazy, is that I've stated over and over and over again that I don't think guns or bad or that people shouldn't own them. I'm actually on your side."

Then, you said this: "I never called for a ban on guns; ever. I think guns are fine. I have a problem with the people that use and own the guns."

So, you think guns are great and people should own them. You *also* think the problem is people having and owning guns.

Alright, you're trolling, but you're using common gun control tactics. First off, your whole car analogy is ridiculous - guns are already a *very* overly controlled object that has many safety features already built in. As of right now, more people die to CARS than to GUNS, which according to what you're saying means that the safeguards on cars aren't enough and the safeguards on guns are more effective.

Secondly, this is trolling right here

Trust me, I'm not a crazy murderer... I just don't care about human lives because there are lots of people. So what if I shoot this one guy, there are 7 billion others. This is terrible logic to have... it's also why I don't trust you with a gun.

Nobody said murder is awesome. Stop trolling and put on some big boy pants if you want to talk to the big boys.

I didn't say 'you, lolisuck, should shoot people'. I said that once you have 7 BILLION people, bad things happen. People get old. People die. People have car accidents. Some people are bad and strangle other people. Some people drown because they don't understand riptides or think that drinking and driving and eating and swimming should all be activities combined together.

However, no matter how much effort you put into policing people (both of their unlawful tendencies as well as their idiotic nature), you will NEVER ACHIEVE 100% PERFECT RATES OF SUCCESS in your endeavors. Therefore, you have to accept some bad things in life because we're not all in Heaven where things are perfect. 11,000 people in a world of 7 BILLION is relatively small. Do you understand how percentages work? You can't stop all bad things from happening, but crime is actually going -down- lately, not up. We're getting better, not worse.

NOBODY said that you

At 8/14/13 05:37 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote:

At 8/14/13 03:36 PM, SuperDeagle wrote: No, I am telling you that using a gun for this purpose as a tool is the best and most efficient way to do this job.

Whatever. I fail to see how your rare case makes all of gun control useless for the rest of society.

Also, should people really get uppity over 11,000 murders? Especially when it's only because a gun was used? This is so tripe.

11,000 human lives is tripe? When talking about gun control, the murders involving guns are the ones that are important.

Nonsense. 11,000 human lives (when we're talking about 7 BILLION people alive, or even just ~320 million if you want to focus solely on America) is 'tripe'. It's 0.000034375% of the population, or three and a half hundred-thousandths of a percent (rounded up a little bit).

If you get this worked up about guns because they kill SO MANY PEOPLE, you should be even MORE worked up about the following things:
White people without guns
Cars
Kiddy Pools
Cigarettes
Fat people eating candy bars (specifically, the candy bars)

Individually, all of these things kill more people in America than murderers with hand guns. Almost as many people die from drunk driving as from handguns, but people aren't crying out for Prohibition or banning cars from the road (or banning roads, which kill more people than guns ever could).

One death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is a statistic. Yeah, it's sad when anybody dies, but you have to look at the big picture. It's impossible to ban 'suffering' as long as we're not living in Heaven.

At 8/5/13 06:55 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote:

At 8/4/13 03:20 AM, TrueLancer wrote: blah blah blah

What's really crazy, is that I've stated over and over and over again that I don't think guns or bad or that people shouldn't own them. I'm actually on your side.... yet you don't realize that because I said "guns kill"; further proving my point about gun advocates being angry immature fools.

You're attitude right now, is exactly why the world wants gun control. If you could have a calm, polite, civilized conversation about guns where you accept both the gun and the bad that comes with them... then the world might feel better about it. But when conversations about gun control explode into this... well... that's why we don't trust you with guns.

Gun advocates are their own worst enemy... and it's shame that you don't understand why. :(

You can't have a double standard where you hold the 'good' people with guns responsible for all the bad and punish them for it while simultaneously calling for a ban on guns because of the bad people.

Don't ban guns - ban the bad people.

Anybody who tries to control an object that isn't dangerous to people without people is failing to see the point - *I* didn't murder anybody, so I shouldn't be lumped in with murderers.

At 8/2/13 05:31 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote:

At 8/2/13 06:58 AM, LazyDrunk wrote: According to Mr. iSuck over there, merely owning a gun proves your intent to kill another human being in cold blood . . .

Not in cold blood, but the rest of it is exactly true. You don't buy a gun so that when you get attacked you can not use it. You buy a gun so that if you get attacked you can pull it out and shoot your attacker. You buy a gun to shoot people.

Sure, some people buy guns to hunt. And some people just like to collect them. All fine and good. But to argue that guns are good for "self defense" requires that you use a gun on your attacker. To then turn right around and say that guns are harmless, and then act like you have no intention to use it on someone is a hypocritical lie.

You bought a gun to shoot a person. Sure, maybe the person is "bad" but it doesn't change the fact that you purchased your weapon for the purpose of shooting a human being with it.

I don't think guns are bad. I don't think it's wrong for a person to buy a gun to use on a person who is trying to attack them. It doesn't worry me that you have a gun, or that you might use that gun on another person.... what worries me, is that the guy holding the gun is in complete denial of what he's holding, why he's holding it, and what it can do should he choose to use it.

I can eat glass... so I guess glass is hamburgers now?

Nobody buys a gun 'to shoot people'.

Well, maybe some people do. But they're psychopaths and you GENERALLY can tell - the guy in the corner with no clothes on, gibbering about 'the aliens' is NOT the dude you sell a handgun, a brick of ammo, and a ghillie suit. (Although, to be fair, you should sell him the suit or something just so he's not naked any more.)

If you buy a gun for self-defense, you're NOT buying a gun to shoot people.

Let me repeat that for you, since you seem to equate 'father who doesn't want his kid to be kidnapped' with 'cold-blooded murderer'.

If you buy a gun for self-defense, you're NOT buying a gun to shoot people.

If you buy a gun for self-defense, you're buying a gun for self-defense.

You didn't purchase it to shoot somebody. Sure, somebody might get shot when they try to do a terrible thing. But it turns out that's NOT MY PROBLEM. That's your problem for trying to murder/rape/kidnap/other felony. I'll use my gun as necessary to stop a terrible event from occurring. If the terrible event resolves itself because you flee or you give up or you surrender because 'not doing a crime' beats 'getting shot' in your book, that's a win for Team Honest Civilian over here, comprised of people who don't want criminals to prosper.

If a dude buys a gun because he wants to shoot people, he sure as heck isn't going to wait around for some criminal to come after him. He's a criminal and he'll go out and do it yourself.

Furthermore, this whole 'guns are bad because they can do bad things' and 'anybody who wants a gun for ANY reason is lying because they REALLY want to shoot somebody' attitude is trash.

There's NOTHING wrong with shooting the bad guy who comes along to do bad things. I'm not advocating crazy heroics or a 'resist unto my last breath' strategy, but to arbitrarily say that you'll just give up and give in whenever somebody comes to steal - that's wrong. That's sinful. That encourages bad behavior. You should not literally be funding burglars with expensive property so they can become better and tacit approval of their actions.

At 8/1/13 12:00 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:

At 7/31/13 06:32 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote: I need to be able to trust you with the gun... I need to know that you're not going to be reckless with it.

if you CCL you take a class in safety and the laws regarding it and like most things previously stated 95% of gun owners are responsible its those small 5% that ruin it for us.

You're still sitting here trying to convince me that a hammer is as equally dangerous as a gun... but we both know that is not true.

they are both tools that on their own that cannot hurt anyone and can be used as a weapon regardless, they may have totally different purposes but they have one thing in common the object is less at fault than the person who uses it.

If you have a CC license, you're in a class of people that commit less than something like 0.003% of all violent crimes. Additionally, when involved in crimes, you tend to stop them with less collateral damage and less deaths (even to the criminal committing the crime) than THE POLICE DO.

Being a concealed carry permit holder actually makes you a part of a responsible, elite group that causes no problems for the country. If anything, we want to encourage MORE people to join this group.

The problem aren't citizens with guns. They're the solution.

It's criminals that are the problem.

Focus your ire that way.

At 7/31/13 06:32 PM, lolomfgisuck wrote:

At 7/30/13 07:02 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: stuff

Look, I agree that guns are great for self defense. I agree that it's your constitutional right to own them. I agree that you should be able to use them to protect yourself should the situation ever arise. I have zero problem with any of this. But, for any of that to work, I need to be able to trust you with the gun... I need to know that you're not going to be reckless with it.

The problem, is that I can't do that; I can't trust you because you won't prove to me that you can be trusted. You're still sitting here trying to convince me that a hammer is as equally dangerous as a gun... but we both know that is not true. You lying to me isn't going to change the facts... it's just proving to me that you can't be trusted. It's just proving to me that you don't understand just how dangerous the item you hold in your hand is.

It's childish.

It is NONE of our business what you think about our levels of trustworthiness. Unless you're the United States Constitution, your opinion on whether I should have a gun or not is IRRELEVANT and pointless. These hangups you have about 'people owning guns' are just that - your hangups. Two words: yours, meaning it's your problem to get over. And hangup, meaning it's not a problem except in your mind.

It doesn't matter if guns are more or less dangerous than hammers. The danger level of an item isn't specifically what makes it worth banning from people. Cars, hammers, carbon monoxide, matches... these are ALL dangerous and in the right situations are THOUSANDS of times more dangerous than guns. You know what kills more people every year than guns? Candy bars. If you're an American, you're probably going to die from being too fat - we should ban the fatty food and make people get a license to sit on their couch and watch TV for more than an hour a day before we even get into talking about guns, if it's 'danger to people' you want to judge based on.

Furthermore, guns have a legitimate purpose - shooting targets isn't murder and defending your life or your kid's life isn't murder. It doesn't matter whether these are 'Violent' or not. These are legitimate purposes. If nothing else, you want to have the capacity to commit violence because protecting the life of your child is MORE IMPORTANT than the stuff you can do with a hammer.

It doesn't matter if a gun is an instrument that can be used to hurt people.

It turns out the people who have inflicted the most harm on this planet didn't use guns, but just words and charisma. Ban tongues.

At 8/3/13 11:52 PM, leanlifter1 wrote:

At 7/30/13 05:00 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Responsible adults should be allowed to own guns ....

No way of telling whom is responsible and not ....

There are plenty of ways. However, you don't test for responsibility. You don't make people try to PROVE that they'd never do a bad thing.

You're innocent until proven guilty. If I want to buy a gun (and, let's not be ridiculous here - assume I'm not a psychopath, a felon, or a child. I'm an adult, 21 years of age, with my own cash not stolen from a recently murdered body), I should just go out and buy one. No problem. You don't ask if I'm 'responsible' and try to ferret out if there are problems.

If I'm dangerous, I'd be in jail. Unless you're a psychic, you can't predict what people will do. There will ALWAYS be one or two bad apples in the world - you don't make things worse for the good guys just because we haven't conquered EVIL yet.

There is so much misinformation in this thread that it's shocking.

People were more likely to die from gunshots (or, for that matter, ANY wound) in the old days because 200 years ago, we didn't have the revolutions in science and technology that allowed us to advance health care. Heck, in the old days, a faulty organ or even just diabetes was a death sentence. Nowadays, we just make fake insulin and grab a spare lung and BAM, you're healthy.

At 7/31/13 11:56 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 7/31/13 11:43 PM, coldplayguy77 wrote: i would like too keep my gun because if i have to shoot somebody i will and drugs aren't the problem liberals are the poblem with guns they make it easier for them to get guns so there

Gun control makes it easier for criminals to get guns? Did you drink bad Budweiser today or something? Do you know where criminals get most of their guns? By stealing them from lawful owners. That's right. The prevalence of guns among civilians is the primary source of guns among criminals.

This is nonsense. Criminals get their guns from the black markets that rise up. You know it's illegal for felons to get guns anyway, right? You DO know that thieft and breaking and entering are crimes, right?

You don't make something illegal for LAWFUL CITIZENS just because a criminal does a bad thing with it. Do you ban all cars because a wacko drove over people in a boardwalk? Do you ban all internet because some criminals go online? Do you ban homes because some criminals spend their time inside one?

Don't be foolish - you only want to punish the bad guys, not everybody.

Hey, even if something isn't as cool as it was when it started, the series is over a decade old. Tastes change.

But having something awesome go for a decade is better than most series in ANY medium, be it book, movie, television, radio show, etc. So there's that.

Can it be somebody else's pants?