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At 8/16/09 03:54 AM, 007nineone wrote:

At 8/16/09 03:33 AM, Genocide wrote: I don't think you're old enough to be here just yet. Come back when your balls drop.

Excuse me, you must really want me to kick your ass.

Bwhahahahahaha!

Threats of physical violence over the internet. God that's amazing.

Locked, cause this is obviously not going going anywhere but a flame war.

At 8/16/09 03:27 AM, 007nineone wrote: Get off my lawn you damned kids! In my day we didn'rt have any of this crap...

I summarised the OP's post. I feel I did it justice.

At 8/14/09 09:43 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: CGC is a damn scam. They even admit that different graders will grade slightly differently. So if there's no uniform standard, it's next to impossible for me to believe that there's significant new value added.

Overstreet is good to use, but as has been pointed out things like ebay screw with the back issue market in positive and negative ways because it makes accessibility to material much better then it used to be. So in a lot of cases it's a matter of setting a price and seeing if you can get it.

Part of me is tempted to just offer the comics to my local comic shop as they deal in classic comics and back issues and the like. Though I might not get as much money that way sadly than if I were to sell it to a private collector or online. I dunno yet. Gonna go talk to the staff at the local comic shop and ask them about it and see what they say.

At 8/13/09 11:33 AM, Elfer wrote: I think we're talking about economic socialism rather than, you know, societal socialism.

If you're taking that stance then it isn't socialism, its an economic policy which focuses on alrge government. Yes that's an aspect of Socialism. That is an aspect of socialism, but its totally different. Right wing dictatorships which do not subscribe to socialist beleifs will have the same thing, doesn;t mean it's socialist.

Yes it's probably not the best use of the word and there's a semantic argument that can be made about it, but really, you know what we're actually trying to talk about it, so why try to conflate the issues for the sake of a word?

Cause the term socialism is a pet hate of mine. And hey, its a debate forum, and its kind of linked to the topic at hand so I figured why not?

At 8/13/09 10:15 AM, TheMason wrote: Yes TNT, the NAZIs can be described as socialist.

Really not seeing it. I've spent the last two years reading up on Nazi-ism ( that word does not lend itself well to having ism added to it...) and I've yet to find anything that actually convinces me that they are socialist.

The exclusionary nature of their belief system, anti-semtic, racist, totally reviling alternative political stances to the point where the opposition is beaten, imprisoned or killed, is not the ideology of equality that is the basis of socialism.

And before you or someone else says ' BUT LOOK AT THE USSR OR STALIN!' I'd jsut like tos ay that they weren't socialist either in my mind as they ignored what socialism was about.

While the NAZIs were racists, they did espouse that within the Ayrian race all men were equal. Thus they took a socialist approach to economics.

Except that even among the Aryan race they espoused the Fuhrer principle. All worked to the good of the Fuhrer and the nation, not the good of the people. The Nazis merely used the discourse of socialism as a means to further their own political gain.

The reason we have this confusion about what we cna label the Nazis as in terms of political positioning is that they utlised a vriety of cotnradictory discoruse depending on whom they were trying to secure the support of.

I've seen British Foreign Office reports in the British national Archives from the German ambassdor at the time stating, in a rather more flamboyant manner than I'm using, that the NAzis were saying so many things to so many people that it was difficult to know what they were going to try and actually achieve.

Socialism is an imperfect step between capitalism/individualism and communism/collectivism. Marx understood that there would be good and bad experiments with his theory. NAZI-ism was one of those evil experiments.

Socialism is based around the core principle of Marxism that all men are equal though. Nazi-ism can be said to be related to Socialism, in that their are similarities, an off shoot of socialism even, but it rejects the principle that all men are equal, therefore it can not be socialism.

National Socialism stemmed from a socialist viewpoint. After all the Nazis were the German Workers Peoples Party, but they mutated and twisted the ideology into something which, in my mind can not be viewed as Socialism.

As for the definition that socialism is an intermediary step, I don't really buy that. As a student of political science ( And I'm pretty sure you are as well from my memory) I don't see how that definition is acceptable. According to that definition anything beyond individual Anarchy a la Hobbesian or Lockes State of Nature can be viewed as Socialist as it moves away from the focus of individual liberty and forces the individual to obey a society which will take his money etc.

Far too non-specific from a political analysis perspective in my mind.

At 8/13/09 09:04 AM, SPLINTERCELL58 wrote:

At 8/13/09 09:03 AM, wildface098 wrote: dude, grow up and learn to move on with your life... stop acting like such a 10 year old.

Excuse me, but he is annoying everybody with his gay videos and we must insult him and kill him

You know the solution to that?

DON'T FUCKING WATCH HIS VIDEOS! That way he can't annoy you, and you don't then have to act all internet hard arse claiming that you need to insult him.

There's worse stuff online and these kids videos aren't as bad as some, so theya ren't funny and neither are the reactions of people on youtube, or here.

LOCKED

Don't leave socks in a position where the dog can get them.

Continually scold the dog when it does get them and starts to eat them, thus teaching it not to eat them.

At 8/13/09 12:08 AM, dySWN wrote: I can't even imagine how you have to stretch your imagination to come to the conclusion that the UK is center right. The amount of government control of health care and the size of their welfare system in proportion to their GDP puts them squarely on the economic left.

The amount of government invovlement is decreasing. were privatizing everything from cleaning services in the NHS, to the post office. To say we're centre left is ridiculous. We were once, but then Margaret Thatcher came along and changed the way Britain was run, Labour decided socialism was unelectable and adopted a quasi thatcherite agenda meaningthe only major Centre Left party we have is the liberal Demcorats who don't stand a chance at winning an election.

This might sound stupid, but if you take a looka t Political compass, which in my expeirence is reasonably accurate in terms of depciting political positioning, it palces the Modern day labour aprty on the right of the political spectrum.

Labour have been in pwoer for 10 years and only recently have they started doing thigns which can be deemed truly left wing in the heat of the economic crisis. before that they gav the bank of England independence and abolished Clause IV which was the statement of intent to Nationalise indistry.

Labour is not Left wing, the Conservatives are not left wing, they are the only parties we've had in power since 1979 and Margaret Thatchers election, therefore the nation as a whole can not be consdiered left wing as we haven't had a left wing government since the 1970's. Almost 40 years of right wing government and you say we;re solidly centre left?

Where can I find a reliable business that evaluates the price of Comic books in the UK.

Seriously, Google gives me nothing!

The NAzi's can not be described as socialists. The base core of Socialism is the assumption that all men are equal. Nazism is based around the assumption of racialism and social darwinism, which assumes people are not equal, ergo they can not be the same thing.

At 8/12/09 04:58 PM, Glides wrote: UHMMMMM...really.

I doubt any of you guys are actually British. I mean, I'm not (I'm an American), but SERIOUSLY, wat kind of idea is that?!

99% of us are British. Now bugger off. Lest I wield the ban stick = )

With the amazing pwoer of the internets I've started getting a rough estimate of what some of my comcis are worth.

The CaptaiN america issue I've seen sold for between $100- 1000 dollars, with one palce selling it for $6000. I've got 2 other Captain Americas which have been sold for over 3k each, one of which is almost mint to my eye, so I should be in with a winner for that one.

My Silver Surfer Number One could be worth up to $2000 at best, though not liely due to its quality, so possibly looking at around 200 from what I can tell.

Also, the grading system is stupid. A shift of .3 in the CGC rating adds on like a grand to the cost of the comic.

At 8/12/09 12:02 PM, Ericho wrote: If he doesn't have much international fame, then why he is performing in London?

Most professional comedians worth their salt will perform around the world at festivals or whatever. They can still perform and not be famous all over the world.

At 8/11/09 05:32 PM, b0b3rt wrote: Yes, I over-exaggerated slightly. But do you think that it's normal to not be allowed to carry a 2 inch folding knife with you at all? And if it's shorter, for you to have a "good" reason to carry it?

Normal? No, certainly not, nor do I approve of it, but I'm quite libertarian when it comes to an individuals freedoms. But that doesn't mean you should exaggerate the fact to make your argument look better...

At 8/11/09 04:55 PM, b0b3rt wrote: In Britian, they want knives to be illegal too.

Err, no, what the government wants is for them to palce dudner the same restricitons as other items such as swords which have to carried in a manner where theya re secure and not able to be drawn for use in combat and used as a weapon.

Actually, you already can't carry a knife with you on the street, so they're almost there.

You canc arry a knife as long as its blade is below a certain limit, and you can come up with a reasonable excuse for why you have it ( Ie, I work in a shop and use it to open up boxes)

At 8/11/09 05:13 PM, b0b3rt wrote:

It's authoriatarian not socialist. You can be authoritarian right wing as well as authoritarian left wing. Currently, the UK is Authoritarian Centre Right.

No, it's not center right. If it was center right it would repeal the bans on guns, privatize health-care, ban abortion and force all gays to undergo "treatment".

What you're listing isn't centre right, but right wing. Centre right is a moderation of those things. We have prvitasation wtihin the NHS, stuff is outsourced to private companies. Bans on abortiona re extreme right wing ideals as is forcing gays to under go ' treatment'.

At 8/11/09 05:10 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

:At 8/11/09 05:05 PM, b0b3rt wrote:

:Right, because furthering the ban on weapons, monitoring families without consent in their own homes, and shutting down somebodies 30th birthday party because they were afraid it would turn into a rave isn't socialist at all.

It's authoriatarian not socialist. You can be authoritarian right wing as well as authoritarian left wing. Currently, the UK is Authoritarian Centre Right.

Also I'd like to point out that the US has been doing the sort of stuff that you mentioned in your post FOR YEARS. gun control has been a hot issue since at least columbine, monitoring families? Patriot act! And I'm sure you can find evidence of the polcie stopping parties in your local area...

Is the US socialist as well?

At 8/11/09 05:05 PM, b0b3rt wrote:

Right, because furthering the ban on weapons, monitoring families without consent in their own homes, and shutting down somebodies 30th birthday party because they were afraid it would turn into a rave isn't socialist at all.

It's authoriatarian not socialist. You can be authoritarian right wing as well as authoritarian left wing. Currently, the UK is Authoritarian Centre Right.

At 8/11/09 03:33 PM, TheReno wrote: England isnt socialist? This is news to me

Seriously? We've not been anything resembling socialist since Margaret thatcher and we started adopting Neo-Liberal agendas of free market enterprise. We've been privatising things left right and centre since then.

When you consider since 1979 we've had Margaret Thatcher and John major as PM's whow ere both right wing Neo-Liberals, and new Labour PM's with Blair and Gordon Brown who have been accused of *Betraying the socialist roots of the labour * you can see why England and Britain as a whole are hardly socialist.

At 8/11/09 03:14 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: You're forgetting Cap's Golden Age series, Captain America Comics :)

Fuck you Comic Book industry and the way you were organised in the past! Costing me money... * Grumble grumble*

But yeah, that book is certainly worth some money since that's the book that has continued into modern times as being for Cap.

Need to find somewhere to get this evaluated. I know there's there's prive guide around. Overstreet Price guide? Is that what its called?

At 8/11/09 02:57 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Yeah, Cap was either being used post-Avengers revival in either tales of suspense, or tales to astonish, or something like that. I know it was an anthology they then converted and kept the numbering on and Cap just took the book over (because back in those days you didn't just relaunch a book with a new number 1 like they do now because the feeling was a number 1 might scare customers away because they'd see it as an untested book that might not be worth them buying if it failed. High numbers were comforting)

So with that in mind, do you think what I have is worth something if it is essentially ' issue number 1' of Cap's first real series centred on him?

I'm actually speechless in regards to how shit this thread is...

My heart bleeds for you, it really does.

In future may I suggest you don't come in here bitching and complaining about the system until *after* you have contacted Art Mods, and then if that achieves nothing, then admins.

Ok, After loking up a few other things:

1) Obviously not appearingin Action comics as thats DC ( Big facepalm on my part there)
2) FUCKING MARVEL AND ITS REBOOTS AND CONTINUITY IS CONFUSING ME!

Seriously, according to the fornt of the cover, its the ' Premiere Issue' but is down as being Issue 100 confusing in itself. But It looks like Cap is with the Avengers, suggesting a Silver Age incarnation...

Anybody got any ideas here? Cause I'm confused...

Image for proof:

So I moved my dads old comic book collection to my house today. Browsing through to chekc on the coniditon of some o the comics I know are worth something ( Silver Surfer Issues 1-6) I found that my dad had a copy of the Premiere edition of none other than everyones favourite yankee Super Solider Captain america.

The issue number is 100, but according to th internet, before that Cap starred in Action comics or soemthing of the sort, and they transfered that directly into the Captain America Line.

If that's true, I am, in a manner of speaking, in possesion of Captain America number 1...

Did it occur to you that perhaps the reaosn you couldn;t find a thread like this was because they aren't allowed?

This is just a huge excuse for +1 posting which is essentially spam.

At 8/10/09 08:31 AM, TheMason wrote: However, fighting their belief structures is very difficult. They are bring children up in this by being one of the few groups to be bringing education to poor communities. How do we fight that?

By helping increase educational oppurtinities in the areas that aren't run by extremists?

At 8/10/09 05:40 AM, 2good2b4goten wrote: Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I'm unsure as to whether or not I'm allowed to ban him for that....

Not something I was expecting to see after I got back from food shopping...