At 4/21/08 02:24 PM, BlackDevilX wrote: Making excuses? Drawn movies have taken aspects from other things. Wather it be plot, story comedy humor type, or artistic style.

you've obviously never watched anything even slightly experimental

You guys talk about how animated flash are original; but how many animated flashes use the constant theme of "Remember that time when" <generic flash back of something funny>
or how about the day when <something happens> <insert generic flash back>?

none that ive made

Or lets take another one of my favorites, 'Final Fantasy A+'. Amazing detail but very typical anime.
<main character> struggles with life until he gets <generic friends> and realizes his potential and he becomes <generic hero>.

shitty!

If you don't know shows that use this same type of humor/story , ill list one right off the top of my head.

FAMILYGUY
NARUTO

hey dumbass those are BOTH SHITTY! you have a way of coming up with the best examples possible to disprove your point

Stop living in denial. Like i have said to others, if spriting is so easy and effortless, make one then? Tell me how easy it is to constantly copy, paste, adjust, rotate, edit, and such?

lmfao moron, i have made sprites before. i made an entire videogame movie. i can honestly say its much easier than drawn animation. MUCH easier.

At 4/21/08 02:09 PM, Short-Factor wrote:

At 4/21/08 02:04 PM, TheStarSyndicate wrote: there are artists (ACTUAL ARTISTS) on this site who have 10 times the talent that alvin earthworm has but don't even get a quarter of the respect he gets

Alvin can sprite well AND draw well

we went over this already, the only thing he draws is furry shit!

not only that but people like Chluaid ARE more popular than Alvin.

people like zekey and rtil aren't

And what if you CANT draw but you CAN animate? And you want to bring your vision to life?

become a graphic designer and get paid for it instead of posting unoriginal crap on newgrounds and leaching all the attention from those who draw their own artwork

At 4/21/08 01:52 PM, Short-Factor wrote: Thank you Warchamp, thank you.
And to all you sprite haters? Go fuck yourselves.
People who make "hand drawn" animation use SOUND EFFECTS that they didn't make, and MUSIC they didn't compose, but that's NOT stealing??? BULLSHIT!

whoops you forgot the people who use royalty free music and make their own sound effects. dipshit.

Sprites are an ART FORM

best quote of the day

Drawings can't replicate that!

drawing your own sprites can! i have no problem with sprites if the artist puts a good amount of effort into altering them. daniel sun is an example of the right way to do it

I will repeat: Go fuck yourselves and leave us alone. We do a damn good job of animating and a damn good job of bringing art and entertainment. Art should not be limited by you or anyone else. If you are trying to limit art with this bullshit you are hurting the world of art not helping it.

ive got news for you buddy. a mixture of super mario, sonic, and dragonball Z using graphics ripped from consoles is not art. it is an exploitation of pop culture.

At 4/21/08 11:16 AM, Gaaz wrote: I can see why people are saying that it requires no effort. The sprites are already made, that is true; but I have heard that Alvin did on some occasions make the sprites himself to satisfy the angles in where the camera was.

Same goes for graphic design. You have fonts and special effects to help you make it look good. Just think of it like this. Creating a sprite movie is like doing up a 10,000 peice jigsaw peice, Alvin has the patientce to do it and that's why so many people like him as an artist.

wow you don't get it. making a decent flash movie is like putting together a 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzle WHICH YOU DRAW YOURSELF. and making a good traditional frame-by-frame animation is like drawing 10,000 different fuckin jigsaw puzzles.

there are artists (ACTUAL ARTISTS) on this site who have 10 times the talent that alvin earthworm has but don't even get a quarter of the respect he gets

At 4/21/08 03:31 AM, JarrodK wrote: If this is true, today is the single most happy day of my life. I happen to have one of the only bad reviews of SMBZ remaining, because everyone LOVES SPRITE MOVIES.

there WERE more of them but most of the bad reviews just got stomped out by alvin-loving review mods

At 4/21/08 02:59 AM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote: He can draw. (dumb porn)
But he doesnt use his skills to make something worth watching.

That, to me, is the greatest travesty of all.
A waste of talent to make easy-to-slap-together sprite junk.

yes thats the sad part of all this. he basically lets personal obsessions get in the way of him making anything worthwhile with his talents. all he knows how to do now is fulfill nerd fantasies, whether its combining mario, sonic and DBZ or drawing anthropomorphic hentai

and now to wait for people with no flash experience to argue about how hard it is to make sprite cartoons

hahaha i can't wait

what astonishes me is that people are mourning the loss of a "great artist"

wow yeah if you define "great art" as stolen videogame sprites and furry porn

this is the best news ive heard in a long time. truly good riddance

At 4/19/08 12:36 AM, Listen2Reason wrote: Damn it, why are you guys condoning and even encouraging putting ads on Flash? >:( As if ArmorGames and MochiAds weren't bad enough...

says the guy who drew porn to get in the top 50

At 4/19/08 01:30 AM, Sekhem wrote:

At 4/19/08 01:29 AM, TheStarSyndicate wrote: i think it would be great idea if the admins actually did that. but nah it would never happen, and i know for a fact it isn't happening right now. you can see how much your vote affects the score of the flash, and its clear that my account with a higher VP is affecting flashes a lot more than the ones with low VP

only happens uj

oh yeah? then you may actually be right. something does seem a little different about the portal today.

At 4/19/08 01:19 AM, Suaron wrote: i think they changed how UJ scoring works, making it so that each vote counts as 1.00 regardless of VP or something like that. I can't get any admins to admit it though. Has anyone else noticed any odd behavior that would hint at this?

i think it would be great idea if the admins actually did that. but nah it would never happen, and i know for a fact it isn't happening right now. you can see how much your vote affects the score of the flash, and its clear that my account with a higher VP is affecting flashes a lot more than the ones with low VP

At 4/19/08 12:17 AM, SoulMaster71 wrote: The question is, what turned the Portal in this direction in the first place? I mean, I know whne it happened, and I know what kinds of people were behind it, but what turned them towards savewhoring, rather than Blamwhoring or voting fairly?

as much as i hate to admit it, i would say the SS are the ones who first turned the portal in this direction. not intentionally, mind you. we simply made dailytoons to get practice in flash, be productive as a crew, and have fun.

but after awhile, people started to see the name "dailytoon" in the title and automatically associate us with a free protection point. we were able to get flashes past judgment that honestly did not deserve to pass. everyone assumed we were mass voting with proxies, but we weren't. we were just causing a generation of stat whores to go "wait... these will pass even if i vote zero, so why vote zero?"

i guess you could say we made up for this by moving towards quality flashes in season 2, 3, and 4 of dailytoons. but we had started the trend already and we were powerless to stop it. we first realized we had made a mistake when the glock group was formed as essentially a shittier version of the SS that got its flashes past judgment by putting "GG" in the title. then afrostud saw what we had done and used it to get his shitty ATWI80D series past judgment. the KK formed using precisely the same methods the SS and GG had used to get past judgment.

if you want to get to an even deeper root of the problem, the first few clock days were probably the first ever instances of "free protection points" in the portal

At 4/18/08 11:48 PM, Kes wrote: Ronald raiders was all one person, and kept uploading flashes in waves using DoM and alts, often coing just DoM. It's either MrBlue or a friend of his, which is what one of the alts claimed to be in a thread about bluehippo.

ronald rangers is definitely more than one person. mrblue just did the majority of it

At 4/18/08 11:39 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/43 5612

Tried to be sneaky

what that flash is amazing whats your problem

At 4/18/08 11:09 PM, Kes wrote: MrBlue = DestroyerofMan

proof?

everything about that guy's BBS posts does not match with mrblue's personality. the only reason i can see for that comparison is the profile pic and message, which, more than likely, just means he is a member of the ronald rangers

At 4/18/08 11:01 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote: Because in order to contribute to the site you have to work on your stats, IE making a review +1 review stat, making a post +1 post count, so if you don't work on your stats you're not contributing anything and should leave.

IMO if you're contributing nothing but reviews, BBS posts, or b/p points to this website, you're not contributing anything and should leave.

That's another thing: everything is a stat, and everyone can brag about it. Reviews, posts... Hell, even Flash submission count is a stat! As is award count, for people who care about making their Flash good, though the best Flash-makers don't brag as much as they probably could.

bragging is fuckin gay and if thats the only purpose stats serve they should just do away with them

At 4/18/08 07:36 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote:

At 4/18/08 07:20 PM, TheStarSyndicate wrote:

is this also a sort of protection against your swfs getting stolen by sites like ebaums?

yep

neat

i might start actually clicking on ads now just to help artists

let that be a lesson to ya pigpen. never agree to an interview with a news station

At 4/18/08 04:30 PM, TomFulp wrote: The NG Flash API will allow you to run ads and generate revenue from your submission, no matter where it spreads on the web! Please use it if you are interested in running ads in your Pico Day submission.

interesting, love the idea.
is this also a sort of protection against your swfs getting stolen by sites like ebaums?

i gotta say good work blamming that afrostud shit wade, very nicely done. thats a step in the right direction for fixing the judgment system. i think the next step should be to bring back some sort of time limit for the voting panel

At 4/16/08 09:49 PM, NewShape wrote: Ungh the problem here was Afrostud submitting the same movie 500 times over the course of two years purely for points.

The regular "spam" is fine and usually entertaining, stop giving a shit about it you stupid kids.

this account may have the most spam movies of anyone on this site, but i really wouldn't mind if they put some sort of restriction on submitting crap daily. dailytoons are over anyways

At 4/7/08 05:19 AM, Penta wrote: "even pissing people off gets old"
It has not gotten completely old to me yet, but I do it in retaliation now... not so much just for kicks anymore...
I'm going to stop submitting crap for a while...

yeah thats exactly what i mean. at first you piss people off by submitting flash with no effort put into it because its so easy to do and the reactions you get are so fuckin hilarious. then after awhile it gets boring and you get fewer and fewer actual reactions. your views drop from like 5000 to 400, and the angry reviews drop from 20 to 2.
so for a change, you make something better quality expecting praise. somewhat understandably, the audiences pay no attention to your flash's quality and vote low on it without watching, assuming that its the same shit as everything else you submit. so you go back to pissing them off in retaliation for this treatment.

its a viscious cycle and one that all of the crews should just break by disbanding.

At 4/7/08 03:01 AM, Suaron wrote:

At 4/7/08 02:58 AM, Reaperssythe wrote: crews are boring now

They were more enticing when it was actually a challenge to pass horrid shit without being in one. Now passing shit is so easy, why bother? It's just a liability now.

yeah crews have definitely become a liability. but why bother submitting spam at all? even solo? theres no sense of accomplishment to it anymore, unless you care about stats for some stupid reason. even pissing people off gets old, although i'm sure its still funny to you right now. trust me, you'll get tired of it soon. the more people who catch on and ignore you instead of giving you the attention you crave, the less fun flaming gets.

tell me, would you give up the ability to submit a half assed rehashed flash every day and have it pass simply because it says "ATWISEROAOS60D:3THEOSAO" at the end of the title if it meant all under judgment flashes would be judged more fairly? there needs to be some balance.

At 4/7/08 01:23 AM, Kes wrote: yep, you pretty much hit the nail on the head there.

older members don't like the current state of the site; it's not because it's gay, but it's because it's not the same gayness that they were "raised" with when they signed up

right. i joined the SS because i wanted to attack the gayness i had come accustomed to and even fed into on the BBS. i was basically lashing out at my old BBS faggot self.

At 4/7/08 02:29 AM, Penta wrote: Well this is only partly true... But which part? We are going through a reformation much like all NG crews have at one point or another...
I find it a bit odd that you would post this here on the BBS.. Well anyway..

reformations basically equal death. the CC and LL underwent huge reformations that eventually drove away their founding members and made them completely different crews. the SS also had some reformations and forum deletions that may have killed the original spirit of the crew. the only reason we're still around is because sevenstar is still around. the CC has no excuse, coolboyman already told the clocks to disband years ago.

i mentioned it because there were bbs threads about it and ive talked to a lot of former kk members who left.

At 4/6/08 07:45 PM, Idocreating wrote: How old is the Clock Crew. 7 Years.

A lot happens to a person in that timeframe, it's likely any of those with animation skill moved onto other formats and maybe made money with there talents.

To still be in the same group doing the same thing for several years is an accomplisment, but it's only natural for the earlier members to move on.

Thats why the old cool crews have "died" in a sense. Most of the founding early members have simply kmoved on from Newgrounds or there crew.

yeah you bring up an interesting point there

i think the older powerhouse crews (SS is 3 years old, LL 4 yrs old, CC 7 yrs old) basically had a lot of members join when they were young immature teenagers, and in the course of being a member of the crew they matured. a lot of times people would start out a crappy spam artist and develop into a talent after practicing with the crew. i know for me personally i used the skill that i gained making intros for dailytoons to make money designing flash website introductions.

so i guess that means newgrounds is just a coming of age website that a bunch of immature 13 yr old faggots visit for a few years, then leave for the younger generation of immature 13 yr old faggots after they've grown up and realized how gay the site has gotten!

At 4/6/08 06:54 PM, smc316 wrote: Not just crews, all the quality mods and BBS regulars are disappearing as well.

BFS, BBR, Canas, Brick-top, etc, etc, etc.

I don't like it, but I think newgrounds might be very very slowely dying.

yeah i think you're right

it started after the redesign. there was a flood of new users who had never visited NG before. the majority of them were attracted by videogame flashes like alvin earthworm's and egoraptor's stuff. regardless of your opinion of those authors, its undeniable that they attracted a younger and more immature crowd with less of an interest in flash and more of an interest in gaming and 4chan fads. this is whats driving everyone away. this site is becoming the exact opposite of "everything by everyone" despite tom's best efforts

At 4/6/08 06:33 PM, mothballs wrote: Now all we have to do is get rid of all this Adolf Hitler ATWI80D cum.

yeah uh why is that still around the admins shoulda deleted it ages ago. theres absolutely nothing redeeming about that series

At 4/6/08 04:36 PM, AapoJoki wrote: You guys started off as pure spam, and only later began to make quality flash. You created your own reputation.

so? the whole point of this post is we should be eliminating reputation

At 4/6/08 05:55 PM, c0rn wrote:

At 4/6/08 05:53 PM, TheStarSyndicate wrote:
suc a dic josh at least im IN college an not a lil 15 yr old prick

yeh well what tha fuck are you doing on ngbbass then at least 15 yr old prick is a valid reason

umm u got me on that one

lmao c0rn

At 4/6/08 05:40 PM, cr0mxt wrote:

At 4/6/08 05:35 PM, TheStarSyndicate wrote: hey you're the one who found this thread browsing the BBS on your own bub, i didnt link anyone to it!

shyt i didnt fucken make ya write a college essay is this due next period or somethen cus you fucken rushed it

suc a dic josh at least im IN college an not a lil 15 yr old prick

At 4/6/08 04:34 PM, cr0mxt wrote: note to f00d: calm tha fuc down writing more than 3 sentences on the bbs means youre a complete faggot

hey you're the one who found this thread browsing the BBS on your own bub, i didnt link anyone to it!

but yeah sorry for the essay i have a tendency to do that :[

At 4/6/08 05:24 PM, BigFuzzyKitten wrote: all they need is a better way of detecting if the user has loaded the movie

agreed

At 4/6/08 04:30 PM, XD0042006 wrote: This is coming from one of the biggest spammers in portal history.

thats another problem with being a crew. no matter how much work you put into making higher quality flashes, you'll always be labeled a spammer. no one cares if we put 2 months of work into a flash like dailytoon 400. they just assume its bad and move on.