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At 4/15/07 07:06 PM, Snerd wrote: I want to commend the person that posted a few pages back about how not all atheists are Dawkins and not all Christians are Robertson. Every religion has that one person that is the shittiest example of that particular religion.

Thanks man, you said what I said even better.

Dunno if I posted this already but I'm agnostic.

Hard to pick a state because depending on where you are in the state, it can be very different. For example, in Georgia, Atlanta is totally different from the rest of the state, just like NYC is totally different from anywhere else in the state, right?

Kitty, while you make some good points, it could be a whole lot worse. :)

And I think there's an important point you're all missing: the owner of a business's right to decide what goes on on his/her property. No one is making you go to a restaurant. If you don't want to smell the cigarette smoke, don't go to that place. However, if a place of businesses claims to have a non-smoking section and you can smell smoke there, then they're false advertising and they're basically committing fraud. That's different. But if there's no no-smoking sign in a restaurant, then you have to consider the possibility that someone could be smoking in there, and if you don't like it, don't go there. It's not like every single place is filled with smoke. Respect a business owner's right to decide what goes on in his shop.

At 4/15/07 05:05 PM, Debauchery wrote:

You're so ignorant it pains me to respond to this. You're a typical european ass. Your Britain argument is especially retarded. Compare size of Britain to US=You're a complete and utter dumbass who should be banned from procreating.

I'm not sure if 99% is the official figure but I'd put my money on it smartass.

And for your latino and blacks comment, I said the exact contrary. Learn better English then come converse here. I said ghetto latino/blacks. Theres a difference between a respectable man and a ghetto man. But hey, you're European so IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU DON'T LIVE HERE, SO YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN POSTED THIS. I WOULDN'T POST SOMETHING LIKE "IGNORANCE RUNNING RAMPANT IN SWEDEN!" It may be the truth, but I wouldn't.

And if you are educated and have a good job, then you get healthcare, if you don't boohoo. Go suck one you liberal piece of shit.

Because everyone has the same opportunities in the field of education, because college is FREE! :D right?

Ignorance sure must have run rampant in Sweden to put them fifth on the Human Development Index.

The proxy wars were clearly part of the Cold War. Many people died to further the reach of the USSR or the USA in the global scheme of things.

I've asked Memorize the same things Drakim, but I think he's less concerned with promoting his position than insulting people until they give up.

Am I right on that?

At 4/13/07 10:45 PM, SmilezRoyale wrote: GRRRRR....

the lack of attention to my long and thought out posts makes me want to wrist myself.

I'm gonna be honest here, it's probably because you have a lollipop avatar and no pic in your sig.

They'll just think you're some random noob who walks in, makes two posts and then never comes back again.

At 4/15/07 11:57 AM, Debauchery wrote:

At 4/15/07 11:56 AM, SuperDeagle wrote: i think a lack in nationalism and basic morals is the real flaw with todays society

the liberal's lack of nationalism today is quite frightening.

“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.” - Thomas Jefferson

Sweden needs more tall buildings though. The Turning Torso is not enough.

At 4/15/07 11:59 AM, Memorize wrote: Don't blame us if we don't want to resemble a poor nation like their shit hole countries.

Heh, I mean really, if we spend more on gas than any of those other nations, then we deserve a discount.

Um, Sweden is NOT a shit hole country. Actually, Sweden ranks above us on the Human Development Index. However Sweden has some of the highest taxes in the world; it's a very socialized nation.

Maybe they drive less SUVs there too.

*waits for someone to walk in and blame teh liberals*
Looks like Paul screwed up. It's up to the WB to decide whether they'll reprimand him or fire him completely.

I think there is plenty of adequate proof of revolution.

Hooray for Gore!

At 4/15/07 09:21 AM, Korriken wrote: the liberals would relentlessly attack it until it got repealed. or they would set up so many loopholes to where it was ineffective.

LOL OH NOEZ TEH LIBERALS RUIN EVERYTHING!!!!!!

Don't be silly, the conservative politicians will need to make loopholes to make sure their rich kids don't have to serve. And since they'd never get rid of a "rich person" loophole like they could in the 1800s, this kind of law probably won't pass.

At 4/13/07 08:33 PM, ForkRobotik wrote: It's too bad that so few soldiers have died in Iraq. If the number was in the tens of thousands, perhaps the usa would bring them home, lest people rise up. The insurgents need to get tough and kick some poor american ass.

Also, marines rape babies, but they get payback cuz their girl back home is banging every guy that wasn't stupid enough to join the army.

Wow. Just wow. Let's see a little proof of that somewhere... anywhere...? I wonder what you would say if the US military purposefully blew up a truck filled with chlorine in an area filled with civilians.

Not all soldiers are war criminals.

At 4/14/07 01:36 PM, Drakim wrote:

At 4/14/07 01:21 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote: No, the thing about that is, for most Christians Jesus=God. The Holy Trinity, you know? God is one?

Well, if all are one, shouldn't you praise the Holy Ghost just as much as the other three parts? I've never heard anybody say this thought.

Well, don't people like to gather around a central figure? Since Jesus is more of a human figure it seems natural that there'd be more talk about him.

At 4/14/07 11:31 AM, Ancient-Evil wrote: Listen ya fud! There was no deaths in the cold war due to fighting with other nations otherwise it would be a hot war.

Are you sure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Indochina_
War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1 989
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overthrow_of_Suk arno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolu tion_of_1956
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Inva sion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Power_
Pack
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angolan_Civil_Wa r
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-2_Crisis_of_19 60
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84_1956 _protests
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_of_1953 _in_East_Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_PBSUCC ESS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_American _Crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_War

No, the thing about that is, for most Christians Jesus=God. The Holy Trinity, you know? God is one?

I will agree that each person has their own definition of morality. I suppose we all have our own view of what "right" and "wrong" is. And the fact is that a lot of people base this on religious scripture. And sometimes, religious scripture has a lot of great things to say about morality. Other times... not so much.

For me morality is basically about protecting individual freedom. Protecting individual freedom to do what you want while balancing society's freedom not to be hurt by the things that total individual freedom produces. "My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins". Unless you wanted me to hit you in the face. To me, my morality is based on what produces a better, free life for everyone.

At 4/14/07 08:14 AM, Drakim wrote:

First of all, you can pick your own religion. Nobody is forcing you to have THIS religion.

What

about

these

guys?

This stuff is annoying too.

There are still plenty of laws preventing freedom of religion

Really, while we can choose what to believe, it's not like there haven't been instances where it's not allowed.

At 4/14/07 12:57 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

Because he wants to know what creationists are talking about if they get their way and everyone has to learn that instead of real logical and rational science.

To be fair, not all creationists want to push their beliefs on everyone else, but there sure are plenty of organizations that do.

At 4/14/07 12:44 PM, Potempkin wrote:

Ok listen, you are gonna start a flame war. I agree with you (that's why I'm not Christian, I'm an atheist) but that doesn't matter, I want an answer to my question preferably.

If your not Christian. Why are you asking why GOD created the Earth? lol, thats being Christian, so why you lying and saying ur atheist? eh? eh?

Because he wants to know what creationists are talking about if they get their way and everyone has to learn that instead of real logical and rational science.

At 4/14/07 11:42 AM, Der-Lowe wrote: Wah, wah! Less than 2000 USD per month!!
Most professors work for free here, so stop whining.

While Argentina ranks highest , it still has a lower GDP per capita (PPP) than most First World countries. It ranks 49th according to the International Monetary Fund and 50th according to the CIA World Factbook. The point is while that may be the standard in Argentina there's a higher standard in Western Countries. We're not gonna start murdering protestors because that's how it's done in Zimbabwe, so we're not gonna stop paying professors because that's how it's done in Argentina.

I agree though that when people think of more petty issues they should consider how it's like in non-Westernized countries, but having well-paid and qualified professors is very important to progress society.

At 4/13/07 09:02 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

At 4/13/07 08:38 PM, Der-Ubermensch wrote: Would you die for the sake of some devil-worshiping muslims?

I hope you are kidding. I really do.

To clarify, I hope you are kidding that Muslims are "devil-worshipers".

At 4/13/07 08:38 PM, Der-Ubermensch wrote: Would you die for the sake of some devil-worshiping muslims?

I hope you are kidding. I really do.

At 4/13/07 07:27 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

At 4/13/07 07:25 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote: Contrary to what you believe, the vast majority of Dems are not the kind of extremists you see with Begoner and the kind of nutty protesters that burn effigies of U.S. soldiers. They're usually pretty moderate, just like most conservatives.

Sorry, contrary to what you believe sounds pretentious. I should have said, "Rather, I think".

"Contrary to what you believe" sounds like something a dick would say.

I'm trying not to be a dick.

Well, not necessarily something a dick would say, but.... ahhh, nevermind.

The point is, there is extremism on both sides. But really, I think the extremist conservatives can be dangerous. While the extremist liberals may say "ALL US SOLDIERS MUST DIE", the extremist conservatives may say "NUKE EVERYBODY." If we follow either of their advices we're screwed.

At 4/13/07 07:25 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote: Contrary to what you believe, the vast majority of Dems are not the kind of extremists you see with Begoner and the kind of nutty protesters that burn effigies of U.S. soldiers. They're usually pretty moderate, just like most conservatives.

Sorry, contrary to what you believe sounds pretentious. I should have said, "Rather, I think".

"Contrary to what you believe" sounds like something a dick would say.

I'm trying not to be a dick.

Contrary to what you believe, the vast majority of Dems are not the kind of extremists you see with Begoner and the kind of nutty protesters that burn effigies of U.S. soldiers. They're usually pretty moderate, just like most conservatives.

At 4/13/07 06:56 PM, Memorize wrote:

Liberal morality: I do what I want, when I want.
Conservative morality: I do what I need, when I need.

What's truely funny is the common, filthy liberal saying "who are you to define morality", when by saying that, they are defining morality.

Modern liberal morality in the United States focuses more on doing what you want when it doesn't affect others, modern conservative morality in the United States focuses more on what the Bible says (or what they interpret it is as saying) because of the strong connection between fundamentalist Christianity and the far-right these days. As far as morality goes, I find that the dems are less likely to force fundamentalism on us these days. It wasn't always like this but it is nowadays. The conservatives nowadays focus less on individual rights than on their definition of morality. The parties have become so blurred though, that neither party doesn't participate in the moral panic.

For example, opposition to homosexuality and abortion is much more strong in the right wing in the U.S. than the left-wing. This is because while the left-wing does, despite what some would have you believe, have a very significant Christian population, it is not so quick to give in to the FUNDAMENTALIST movement that grips the right-wing side. And sincethe fundamentalist movement opposes abortion and homosexuality, so do many of America's hard-liner conservatives.

This is not about bashing religion, this is about the fundamentalists using religion to influence American politics. I am not attacking Christianity, so don't even bother pinning that on me, guys.

Classical liberalism was similar to modern libertarianism. Liberalism is less like that now, but it still has more focus on individual rights than the Republicans do nowadays.
While it used to be that the Republican Party advocated personal liberties, they are less focused on "small government" than exerting as much control as possible on the individual citizen. There are problems with this in the Democratic Party, but it is not nearly as severe.

At 4/13/07 12:43 PM, zeus-almighty wrote: Oh yea, I'm really gonna listen to a guy with an name like penis plant.

I felt like saying that so much, but I resisted. Also, my name is SyntheticTacos, so you can figure what kinda response I would get saying that.

At 4/13/07 04:22 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 4/12/07 10:42 PM, SyntheticTacos wrote:

At 4/12/07 10:35 PM, Dre-Man wrote:

Simply referring to the fact that while most atheists seem to absolutely DESPISE being stereotyped, they haven't a care in the world when they shovel it onto Christianity.

Because you've met most atheists and decided this?

Says he who stereotypes Christians without meeting most of them.

When did I do that? If you say the "bible-thumpers" thread, I said many times that I was not referring to all/most Christians, only extremists, but you guys continued to say I was.....

Most Christians I've met are moderates. I don't think most Christians are fundamentalist extremists that try to push their beliefs on others, just like most atheists are fundamentalist extremists that try to push their beliefs on others.

Note that I'm not even an atheist, but I'd really like you to show me where I've stereotyped Christians in a serious manner...