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At 3/12/08 06:09 PM, Professor-D-Weed wrote: Religion is seeking the answer to the question "Why?" not "How?"

Mind helping me out with this thread?

At 3/12/08 05:43 PM, Professor-D-Weed wrote: I have a question for some of the atheists here, do any of you say the phrase "Oh my God," even though you don't believe in Him?

I'm gradually beginning to say "Oh my goodness" more often, but yes, I do say "Oh my god". Obviously this happens because we become so accustomed to hearing it we don't even have to think about it before we say it.

At 3/12/08 07:26 AM, samwazhere wrote: Because science explains the details while religion explains why those details are there.

Ugh. I'm not going to get frustrated here, but I'll say it again. I want to know what this "why" is.

At 3/12/08 05:15 AM, Brick-top wrote: sooooo how is everyone?

I'm argueing microevolution and macroevolution on youtube.

Ugh. I give up on youtube religious debates. I swear, I've never seen such an obnoxiously large concentration of idiots since teens4christ.

At 3/12/08 06:34 AM, kamil-fucker wrote: perhaps god didn't create us, and 'we' are here for no exact purpose.
just as top of the food chain.

But I'm asking why people who think god did create us think he did.

At 3/12/08 06:10 AM, fli wrote: Because Creationism gives purpose to our existence--
Whereas with Evolution, it doesn't. Evolution just explains.

That's what Creationism is quick to jump on... that nothing just "appear" in a Big Bang or whatever. For them... the purpose is God wanted people to exist.

No no, I think you missed the point of my post. I am speaking about also, if not specifically, those who believe was responsible for evolution/big bang etc.

As in "I believe in science, but it only explains how. That's where religion comes in and explains why it happened"

And I'm merely asking for an elaboration, as I personally can't see one.

And on "God wanted people to exist", I don't consider that a legitimate answer so much as a "Just because".

Religion explains why.

It's something I hear quite often, but I never really understand it.

It's as if to say bringing god into the equation gives us a reason for our existence, but even then, I really don't get it.

Could someone please explain the point of human existence, the "why", if god put us here?

Thanks <3

At 3/11/08 08:19 PM, therealsylvos wrote: environmental polluters

This is so Ironic, and you probably don't even know why.

The US used to be the largest and most effective distributors of Contraception in 3rd-world countries, but conservatives in the government put pressure on the government to stop this, and they did, and now send missionaries over teaching abstinence programs with are infinitely less effective.
The catholic church has even launched propaganda campaigns saying that condoms are deliberately infected with aids or that they don't work.

Aside from all sorts of other problems access to contraception prevents, it would help to slow down sky-rocketing overpopulation rates, but obviously can't. Because the population is expanding so rapidly, more and more forests are being razed, millions of hectares, which not only endangers and makes extinct countless plant and animal species, but also is estimated to release 5 Billion tonnes of greenhouse gases into the earth's atmosphere, which is over a quarter of the entire world's emissions.

At 3/12/08 12:50 AM, thedo12 wrote: damn atheisim!!!! why couldnt i just live in iggnorant bliss >:(

One could view Religion as the matrix and atheism as the real world.

At 3/11/08 07:09 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Talking strictly about what I was talking about last page:

And I apologise for how faggy that sounded.

That's funny, before I made this topic I had a strange urge to seaqrch for topics named "Natural selection", because it seemed a likely title.

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Link.

At 3/11/08 04:11 PM, JMHX wrote: Smoke dat pipe.

Did anyone else, at first glance, think this was Kelsey Grammer?

At 3/11/08 06:39 PM, FlashCridic1124 wrote: Hmm, I just thought of a new one, would you supportsomeone thinking about going into the army?

I would advise them against it, but if they truly wanted to join I wouldn't stop them, and would support them, yes.

At 3/11/08 07:29 AM, Chickidydow wrote:
Such as?

Talking strictly about what I was talking about last page: The US used to be the largest and most effective donor of contraception to impoverished nations, but then Christians in the government pressured the US to stop sending them because of "moral" reasons, and now instead send over missionaries to teach them abstinence programs, which are entirely ineffective.

The catholic church has even launched propaganda campaigns saying that condoms are deliberately infected with aids or that they don't work.

Not only does this do nothing to stop the spread of AIDS, but it also does nothing to stop the sky rocketing overpopulation problems in places such as Africa.
In fact, the population there is increasing so quickly that thousands upon thousands of acres of forests and being burned down for the land, which causes many, many plant and animal species to become endangered or extinct, and is estimated to release 5 billion tonnes of greenhouse gasses per year. That's over a quarter of the world's total emissions.

But I guess, if a church starts an orphanage, we can forget all about the aforementioned problems.

At 3/11/08 02:41 PM, jitterman wrote: Catholics follow the teachings of the New Testament and Jesus.

So you don't believe anything in the old testament?

Democracy isn't fantastic, but it sure as hell beats Communism any day.

As much as I despise said woman and anyone remotely like her, what she said isn't strictly hate speech should be allowed.

Because people are absolute idiots when it comes to knowledge about Satanism, it won't happen.

This topic should be locked.

If you need an ancient belief system that works on a reward/punishment system to stop you from killing or raping someone, you have got something wrong with you.

At 3/10/08 06:33 PM, Zoraxe7 wrote: Do you realy think thats a big contributing factor?

It's large. Obviously not a major factor, no, but just pointing out that any assistance of the homeless by the church is easily cancelled out by mentioned cause.

At 3/10/08 06:26 AM, Brick-top wrote:
I really cant be fucked,

You could post a link to mine if you wanted me to try to ease the load. Because I don't mind answering however many I get, for some strange reason.

At 3/11/08 12:22 AM, JackPhantasm wrote: Can ideas manifest in physical form, if enough people believe in the idea?

All those thoughts, they have to go somewhere...

You are honestly proposing that god could have came into existence as a result of people thinking he does?

You're kidding, right?

Though I consider wikipedia inaccurate for larger things, the argument "ANYONE CAN EDIT IT" is not all that great, because last time checked, you don't need a pHd to start a website.

At 3/10/08 03:26 AM, Bokushi wrote: Wash in running water (not caught on to until 1860s) Leviticus 15:13

Obviously one needs divine revelation to figure out running water makes things clean.

The earth in space (not sitting on a giant animal like people thought)
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing." Job 26:7

You're kidding, right? I mean, I know that the said verse is as so, but you consider this as proof? Wow.

The earth is round (not flat like people thought)
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth..." Isaiah 40:22

Yet, there are other verses that make the earth appear as though it is flat. Contradiction time ^_^

The moon reflects the light of the sun (doesn't give its own light like people thought)
"Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not..." Job 25:2

"Dominion and fear [are] with him, he maketh peace in his high places." Erm, what? This is your beloved KJV too, don't you worry.

Cycle of evaporation and rainfall
"All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again." Ecclesiastes 1:7

Too vague to be considered "proof".

Dinosaurs? No problem, look for "Behemoth" in Job 40:15-24
(Look it up yourself, to many verses to post)

Scientific evidence unanimously points towards dinosaurs not existing within the last 6000 years, thank you very much.

So what are you going to do?

Point out how bullshit and pathetic your concepts of "proof" are?

The Bible has proven itself throughout the ages,

Been edited throughout the ages*

that's why we still have the same old Bible and you have to get a new science text book every year.

The bible is blatantly wrong in spots.

You don't have to believe the Bible by faith alone, the proof is there. Once you understand that there are things in the Bible that people didn't figure out until thousands of years later, then you can believe the rest by faith.

Well firstly, I don't see how you can trust so much something that has been edited and changed so heavily.
Secondly, if you consider this proof then you should be a Muslim, as the Koran has infinitely more "scientific proof" in it.

Unless of course you didn't harden your heart to things concerning God, then you could just believe.

No, one can't "Just believe", thank you very much. Belief is not a choice.

At 3/9/08 11:52 PM, Z-Ezekiel wrote: So do you want me to post the counter argument for every single contradiction it mentions?

Well obviously you have no intention of doing so.

I was caught by the ambiguity of the title "The assassination of Jesse James".

At 3/9/08 11:29 PM, Z-Ezekiel wrote: A false understand of the Bible.

Your reply was unexpected.

At 3/8/08 09:45 PM, JerkClock wrote: I do, that's why I'm an agnostic thiest,

DING DING DING.

Oxymoron time.

At 3/9/08 10:12 PM, Chickidydow wrote: To say that you'd also be including the church sponsored orphanages, homeless shelters, etc...

There wouldn't be so many orphans and homeless overseas if the church wasn't so moronic as to stop the distribution of contraception.

Has anyone ever eaten sheep testicles and realised you're eating sheep... wait, don't worry.