3,004 Forum Posts by "Peter-II"
At 11/19/06 02:34 PM, BanditByte wrote:At 11/19/06 06:44 AM, Peter-II wrote: I'm not sure the law will see it that way.Well, if gays can get married all of a sudden then why can't I? Since the government no longer discriminates against who can get married why can't I get married to an inanimate object, which I love?
Because your monitor is not a consenting adult.
At 11/18/06 11:38 PM, BanditByte wrote:At 11/18/06 04:43 PM, Peter-II wrote:It has. And it's name is Lenore.At 11/18/06 02:00 PM, BanditByte wrote: Hey, I like looking at hentai. I deserve as much right as anyone else to marry my computer monitor.Have fun getting it to consent.
I'm not sure the law will see it that way.
At 11/18/06 02:00 PM, BanditByte wrote: Hey, I like looking at hentai. I deserve as much right as anyone else to marry my computer monitor.
Have fun getting it to consent.
I can unproudly say I have no idea who he is.
S'pose you're right.
Then we shall agree to disagree.
At 11/11/06 10:54 AM, Techware wrote: you need to be horribley beaten for your stupidity.
You aren't a very good Christian.
At 11/14/06 01:54 AM, Demosthenez wrote: 1) I stated repeatedly it was my opinion. From now on I will label every sentence with "In my opinion" since you are so special you seem to need a preface for every sentence of mine. Sorry about the confusion.
You attempted to counterargument by saying my opinion is an opinion. You then said that waterboarding and sleep deprivation aren't forms of torture, as a fact. By your logic, therefore, I can simply respond by saying "well that's just your opinion", and then stating mine (without providing any evidence, of course).
2) Answers.com is directly lifted from wikipedia. Thanks for the same source twice.
My mistake.
3) I see no medical evidence, none. I see an opnion of a single doctor that is not even a direct quote that even prefaces it is his opinoin: "Dr. Keller argued that. . ." Learn to read and think critically of the shit the media shovels you, oh, and learn to read critically also while you are at it.
Feel free to remind me of why a) an encyclopedia is a form of media; and b) why encyclopedia writers would "shovel me shit". Why shouldn't information from an encyclopedia by authentic?
4) Until you demonstrate to me that waterboarding and sleep deprivation destroys people mentally to the point of insanity, it is not torture.
Why not? I'm sure they do, but torture isn't characterized as things which can destroy you mentally to the point of insanity.
Just for future reference.
http://health.ucsd.edu/news/2000_02_09_Sleep. html
http://sleepdisorders.about.com/cs/sleepdepri vation/a/brainsleep.htm
If a woman can pass the training, then let her in.
A military should essentially be a sexless machine.
At 11/13/06 01:04 PM, Demosthenez wrote: EVERYTHING affects the psychosis of people. EVERYTHING. That is a weak card to play in my book, the psychosis card. Until you demonstrate to me that waterboarding and sleep deprivation destroys people mentally to the point of insanity, it is not torture.
I love it, "the psychosis of people". Just shows how little you know about what you are talking about.
"Waterboarding is a form of torture"
Destroying people mentally to the point of insanity isn't torture? Then what the hell is torture? Do you really think that torture can't be psychological?
Just for shits, lets see what medical evidence you have to back up your claims of what sleep deprivation or water boarding do, anyways. You speak so authoritatively, lets see the evidence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3376951.s tm
I speak so authoritatively? Ahaahahhahaa, the hypocrisy.
Those arent torture. In my book.
First of all, you say "in my book", then...
Just because you think they are torture doesnt mean they are.
Do you realize just how hypocritical you are? "WELL IT'S MY OPINION THAT SLEEP DEPRIVATION ISN'T TORTURE. YOUR OPINION MIGHT BE WRONG. MY OPINION, HOWEVER, IS FACT..."
Torture implies a very, very extreme act. Pouring water over an ENEMIES head to try to extract information or keeping them from sleep, while they could damage you psychologically, are not torture.
The best thing about your post is you consisently maintain that waterboarding and sleep deprivation aren't torture, yet provide absolutely no reasons why not. Basically you've said little more than my opinion isn't necessarily correct, and that there are things which damage
people psychologically which aren't considered torture. Furthermore, you constantly ask me for me to back up my claims, yet refuse to do so yourself.
Shit, even prision changes people psychologically, does that mean we should stick prisoners into the Waldorf because they might damage their psyches? No.
Another thing, just because I say sleep deprivation and waterboarding are forms of torture doesn't mean I'm against interrogation against alleged terrorists. I have said nothing which would indicate anything of the sort. Do you really think I'm just saying this to push an underlying agenda of mine?
Water boarding and sleep deprivation are interrogation tactics. Extreme ones BORDERING on torture. But in and of themselves are not torture. You cannot handicap interrogators so much they have nothing left to threat prisoners with if they dont cooperate. If they dont fear you and they dont love you and continue to refuse to cooperate and you know they have valuable information, what do you suggest they do?
Why is it you think torture can't be a form of interrogation?
Your opinion is just that, an opinion. You are not God or the be all and end all of information relating to torture. Stop pretending to be.
And yet you're the one that has said over and over again that sleep deprivation and waterboarding aren't forms of torture as a fact, all the while going against the word of Wikipedia, various other encyclopedias, psychologists, neuroscientists and the BBC. Do you seriously think you know better? Your hypocrisy is spellbinding, absolutely fucking amazing.
At 11/12/06 02:16 PM, Kasualty wrote: Nuke them.
This may come as a suprise to you, but you're actually not funny.
Thanks, that was a great read.
At 11/12/06 11:17 AM, zeus-almighty wrote:At 11/12/06 10:59 AM, Peter-II wrote: This topic is idiotic.Which part the first post or the negative responces?
I think both...
This topic is idiotic.
At 11/11/06 10:48 AM, Techware wrote: I'm talking about oh... cutting off someone's hand and causing them serious physical pain, pain they might not fully regenerate, unlike psychological where you can be fully back to normal after a while and even if they don't then at least they won't have to go around in a wheelchair the rest of their lives... even tho they deserve it.
Your reading comprehension skills are well and truly lacking. You named breaking fingers, beating people senselessly and whipping as forms of torture, not cutting off hands. I don't know if it's more funny or pathetic how you've reformatted your argument to justify your position in this particular debate.
Chances are, cutting off hands isn't even used that often as a form of torture because the marks left are too damn obvious.
Hah. I say psychosis and depression can be permenant / last for a good number of years and you say you can be fully normal after a while. You really don't have a clue, do you?
But hey, lets not let the Iraqi people have their way and hang Saddam (even tho it was their decision).
What the fuck. I haven't said anything about the Iraqi people or the hanging of Saddam.
You couldn't get more presumptuous if you tried.
You are yet to explain why water boarding is not a form of torture.I just explained my stance on torture. The fact that you can't seem to understand that i've already explained water torture thru that explains your stupidity, and the world has no need for that (you).
Yes, you've explained your stance on torture. However, you are yet to explain why water boarding is only a form of torture "if you're a wuss". I can only assume that this is because this position in injustifiable because it's so damn stupid and illogical.
And, you're still a wuss.
And, you're still a moron.
At 11/10/06 09:16 PM, Exblade wrote: actually light is not matter its an energy, it was created off by matter but its not matter its just energy like fire, lightining, and light
nice try though but its not a particle or matter other wise it would have electrons, protons, and neutrons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light
Brush up on your Physics. Light is composed of photons, which have negligible mass (though no rest mass).
At 11/10/06 08:22 PM, Techware wrote: Let me save you the trouble here. The thing is, we concieve torture completely differently. You consider not being able to sleep, and depression as torture. People can get over depression. People with depression can also seem like some of the most interactive and energetic people in the world, depending. I consider whipping, beating them senselessly when they didn't do anything, and breaking a man's fingers one by one as torture.
You have no point. It can take years upon years to fully get over depression, whereas broken bones are normally fully healed in a few months at the most. Psychosis is also very often permenant.
I consider putting someone through hell for the time being and possibly ruining their mental state for years to come as torture. You don't, and I don't see why not. There is such thing as mental torture as well as physical torture. Denying that mental torture is a form of torture is the equivalent of denying that physical torture is a form of torture. Simple concepts, really; they are just as painful as each other. Hence why psychological forms of torture are actually used - that and the fact that they leave no marks.
You are yet to explain why water boarding is not a form of torture.
At 11/10/06 08:16 PM, DarkNati0nX wrote:At 11/10/06 04:56 PM, Peter-II wrote:At 11/10/06 04:24 PM, DarkNati0nX wrote: What gives you that idea that I want to spark an argument that will go on forever?The fact that you revived a two-month-old argument which never went anywhere in the first place while willfully bringing nothing new to the table.Oh? Then what have you wrought? A new post?
A friend (well I say friend...) gave me the idea of taking every single one of your arguments and refuting them in layman's terms to shut you up for once and for all. I'd do it now but it's 2AM and I'm too tired. I might do it do tomorrow, if I get the time.
At 11/10/06 06:35 PM, Techware wrote: It doesn't matter. Either way, you're just a wuss.
Great, yet another ad-hominem attack. Using logical fallacies in an attempt to avoid the issue at hand doesn't exactly back up your point either.
All I've said is that they are methods of torture.Which are used on...?
Irrelevant. You said waterboarding and sleep deprivation are only forms of torture if you're "a wuss". I refuted your point. How can you need confirmation on that?
Yes, because asking them to give us information is fantastic.
Well you mentioned terrorists, so I assume that's what you were talking about.
What is the use of torture, if not to get information?
And you are yet to respond to the fact that sleep deprivation can lead to psychosis and depression.
At 11/10/06 06:10 PM, Techware wrote:At 11/10/06 06:09 PM, Peter-II wrote: If you insist. That really isn't the point. The point is sleep deprivation is, in fact, a form of torture and can lead to psychosis and depression, which is a point you seem to have ignored.They were going to blow themselves up anyway. I guess you like to defend terrorists since it's "your" thing.
You're a point-evading, presumptuous moron. I just love how you assume what my political position based entirely on the fact that I contradict bullshit like "waterboarding and sleep deprivation are only torture if you're a wuss". You dumbass, I'm not "democrat" or "republican". I'm not "liberal" or "conservative". I don't fit in with your arsey bastardized political categories, because I think it's all bollocks. Deal it, asshole.
I haven't even said anything about terrorists. I haven't stated my opinion on using methods such as sleep deprivation and waterboarding on suspected terrorists. All I've said is that they are methods of torture. You're simply assuming that I'm what you might see as a treehugging, hippie liberal because I disagree with you.
You do realize it's possible to think interrogation is the right thing to do while thinking waterboarding and sleep deprivation are forms of torture, right? Oh, and feel free to respond to the point that sleep deprivation can lead to psychosis and depression directly. It wouldn't exactly back up your point if you didn't.
At 11/10/06 06:03 PM, Techware wrote: That's why you HAVE to DO something that keeps you awake to the point where you're unable to fall asleep.
Funnily enough, I was gaming at the time. Your point falls flat on its face and immediately dies.
Which they rightly deserve.
If you insist. That really isn't the point. The point is sleep deprivation is, in fact, a form of torture and can lead to psychosis and depression, which is a point you seem to have ignored.
Well if you want to be technical, it was a week, not 10 days.
You are aware that it's practically impossible to stay awake for that length off time apart from by means of force? When I attempted staying awake for as long a period as possible, I simply dropped off with no warning at about 36 hours.
Bearing in mind that if you were being tortured, you wouldn't be allowed a constant shot of caffeine or any other stimulant. The only thing keeping you awake would be the slap in the face every time you lose consciousness.
No, because I figured you'd have gotten the idea straight away, but apparently I need to bring myself down to baby talk.
And...your argument lies where? Where is it that you, despite all contrasting evidence, single-handedly debunk the horrors of psychosis and depression. I mean after all, you know far more on this subject than, oh, every psychologist in existence.
I have. It's not hard at all really. Typical teenager stuff, mainly because my friend paid me $20 to do it.
It's incredible how much you're willing to bullshit to further your political agenda.
At 11/10/06 05:09 PM, Techware wrote: Yeah, about half those things on that list are hardly worth being considered torture. The only forms I would consider torture is a whip, severe beating, smashing someone's fingers in with a hammer ect ect..
Everything on that list is weak stuff. Hernia... ok, whoop di doo, I had 2 you don't see me whining about it. Nausea... feeling a little sick?
Well, you are indeed one of those wusses.
I just love this..."about half". Willfully, you ignore such things I listed as psychosis, depression and hallucinating.
But hey, if you're so tough, try staying up for ten days. Then we'll talk.
At 11/10/06 12:28 AM, Nylo wrote:At 11/9/06 11:13 AM, Peter-II wrote: No they don't. How to pass the upcoming exam belongs in the classroom.Your end blows, and I pray to God you never enroll in a profession of education.
The end.
Education is about getting people to think, not just regurgitating crap to the students. Make them think outside the box, challenge their ideals, help the understand why things are the way they are.
Yes, it should be that way. But the education system is managed in such a way that that simply isn't true. The only thing you need from school is grades, not your ability to think independently. Those kind of skills are only truly attained when you go to university. However, opinions don't belong in the high school classroom because every lesson is vital - you have precisely enough lessons in order to cover the syllabus required to pass the exam.
The exam which determines your very grades asks you about the process of natural selection. Do you answer the question as required, or do you bull about "alternatives" to evolution? No. That will not get you the mark. Telling kids in the classroom your opinions will merely confuse them.
The real world isn't a science equation. If your whole purpose in school is just to get nice letters on your report card, I can't say I envy your pathetic waste of educational potential.
Great, another ad-hominem attack. I have acquired the ability to think idependently or "outside the box" as you so aptly put it, believe it or not. All I'm saying is that the ability to think idependently shouldn't be in the classroom because of the way the education system is. If you think that the education system is bad in this respect, then to an extent I agree with you. However, you should adapt your argument from "opinions belong in the classroom" to "the ability to think idependently should be incorporated into the education system". That would be more specific / helpful.
Also, creationism isn't science and should be in a religious studies class rather than a Biology class.
At 11/10/06 04:24 PM, DarkNati0nX wrote: What gives you that idea that I want to spark an argument that will go on forever?
The fact that you revived a two-month-old argument which never went anywhere in the first place while willfully bringing nothing new to the table.
Techware, you imply that sleep deprivation and waterboarding are only forms of torture if you're "a wuss". This either shows just how ignorant you are about forms of torture, or that you're willing to distort the truth in order to further your own agenda.
Effects of sleep deprivation include double vision, confusion, hallucination, hernia, nausea, psychosis, depression, increased blood pressure and hypertension. You can't possibly not deem these symptoms as not being torture. Sleep is literally the brain's food. You can't live without it, and being deprived of it changes your mental function completely.
Water boarding, now you're just being ridiculous. Water boarding literally makes you think you're going to die. It's been known to permenantly damage your psyche.
But hell, let's see if you say the same things about sleep deprivation and water boarding after being forced to stay awake for 5-12 days or being forced to drink huge amounts of water in tiny periods of time until your stomach is near bursting, then being forced to throw it up again and repeat the process.
I don't know whether to be more astounded by your ignorance based off opinioned bullshit from people like Dick Cheney or the fact that you're willing to spew this ignorance in an attempt to further your agenda.
At 11/9/06 10:30 PM, TheMason wrote: He is trying to undercut whatever your argument is by inferring that you are undereducated and therefore your point should be devalued. It is a tactic that he is using to get you off-topic and arguing about something else.
Hah. No. In fact, you're a complete total presumptuous moron.
I've already responded to his point that I lack logic (which is mighty ironic, considering logic also implies proper use of the English language, but whatever...). Furthermore, "a tactic he is using to get you off topic and arguing about something else"? What kind of fucking hypocrite are you, considering ad-hominem and appeal to emotion attacks such as "Oh noes, the unlogical idiot calls me a unlogical idiot :'( Isnt irony sweet?" is itself a tactic to get me off topic?
Jesus, you're an idiot. I might have tried to make a point had DarkNationX actually revived this hell-damned two month old topic for a reason rather than just for his pathetic sake of getting the last word in this now meaningless argument.
Which you clearly didnt either or do you want me to create a new debatable subject concerning Area-51? Or are you just going to say Im backing out?
I'm not going to say you're backing out because for some reason you wanted to spark the argument up again. I don't want you to create a new debateable subject concerning Area-51 either. What baffles me is why you revived a topic when you had nothing to say concerning the actual topic. You said it yourself, our debate became a meaningless argument. So why did you revive it if you're not insisting on discussing Area-51...?
Whether or not God exists is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever. The question is meaningless; it has no verifiable or testable answers. However, the social impact of religion is hugely important. Without religion, the majority of the world would go crazy with the idea that their lives are completely insigificant.
Religion = good
