At 11/2/09 06:07 PM, J-qb wrote: I also dont think the lounge is for asking critique about your drawing.... so occluded, I really value that you are trying to improve, and you seem to be at a fair skill level already. Maybe you should just accept that poeple are not going to critique the drawing, and make another.

And because Im not a total bitch, I`ll suggest removing the lightning on his back and on the back of his head. It may be correct, but it doesnt look good. same goes with the fishman, giving just light on one side and dark on the other gives it more atmosphere.

No you're right. It doesn't belong here. And I see now that I've opened a door better left closed on this thread. Next time I'll just ask someone to bump the critique thread. Sorry, I disobeyed lounge etiquette.

Thanks for your honest critique. I've got a bunch of differing views on what needs improvement on the piece. Everyone seems to agree 'lighting'. Exactly what about the lighting is unclear. I'm just going to submit this as is now, and try to do better next time.

Thanks all

At 11/2/09 02:59 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: Where is that light on the guy's chest coming from?
The angle of light on his chest suggests something from the top right, but there's no light source there.
If the light is from the moon, then there would be less shine on his front.
If the light is glow from the fish, or a reflection off the fish, then the light would shine much further along the guy's right side.

Yeah, It's supposed to be the moon. I guess I assumed you mean to make it less shiny, but now upon rereading I think you might have meant it wouldn't cast light over as much of his chest. I was cheating the angle. I didn't think it looked outright wrong.

I repeat I initially thought you meant less shiny so I did this...

Ok, I'm being a lazy sh*t. I can't find it. I'll have to post in it next time I see it so it's in my posts.

Anything about this piece really bother you guys? (and gals? lets be gender sensitive)

Would it be cool to ask for a critique in here? Or should I take it to the critiquing thread and bump it back up from obscurity? I think I just answered my own question. That's why it's called the critiquing thread.

Hi Captian-Ben

At 11/1/09 01:01 PM, jagondudo wrote: i like the drama in yours occluded but your characters relating to one another looks very flat. i think its because of all the blue glowing highlights you used. also your lighting is a bit weird. your main light seems to be the moon? then shadows should be cast by the window on the guy and the guy's shadow should cast on the fish man. it makes it look like there's another bright light source inside with the same color as the moon eliminating all shadows [which is a bit hard to do unless there's more than one light source]. if there still IS such a light source inside then if it cast a different color of light would help with contrast.
the depth from moon to trees to window to the man is good where you lose it is from the man to the fishman. the light is messing it up.
your anatomy has really improved and choice of colors are really nice too. i like the the design on the fishman's head. the texture on him gets a bit repetitive tho [shoulder area].

Thanks for the outside eyes man. I reworked it. Pumped up the light and pushed the hue of the light a little more. The idea behind the lighting is the primary light (cool & bluish) coming from the moon through the window. You can see the the shadow of the + shape in the middle of the window run over our hero's abs. There's also a reflected light coming from the fish-man's scales; bathing our hero in a golden light from below, and casting a little light all the way to the wall under the window. A third unidentified light source is lighting fish-mans face from the front.

It may look at first like I just upped the contrast. But I didn't. I went back in and painted over the top. If it looks no different try refreshing. I'm not sure I'm seeing the shoulder the way you are. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't see it.

If you got time to look at the update, I'd love to get your thoughts.

Thanks for the thoughtful critique.

So I know the contest is over, but can I get a critique before this goes out of sketch and up to submission?

I'm actually pretty happy with it.

Shit! I got it in my head the deadline was tonight. Might as well take my time finishing.

Well, congrats winners. There were some really good entries. Competition was fierce for this one.

I also dug her contribution to the screw collab. And the following exchange.

At 10/4/09 06:27 AM, Girly789 wrote:

At 10/3/09 01:22 PM, AssJack wrote:

At 10/3/09 09:27 AM, Girly789 wrote: Screws in love!

Those are nails

They're the same thing.

I kinda feel sorry for the girl. I mean she's clueless. Giving her the benefit of the doubt; part of it is probably the language barrier. But still.

The thing where she doesn't understand that 'Paint' IS 'MS Paint'. In the age of google it's so easy to chickity-check yourself before you wrickity-wreck yourself. He says sticking his foot firmly in his mouth.

WIP. Any thoughts?

Bump

So... Girly789? She has got to be somebody's alt. I mean. This cannot be for real. I'm reading her posts and laughing like an idiot. It's so complete a joke. It's all adds up together. Her profile, her posts, her art, her favorites. I mean if you knew it was an alt wouldn't you be on the floor?

Thing is... that's a long way to go for a joke. So... she's... she's probably real.

Read her story. Still chuckling.

If I remember correctly there was an 'about this piece' (or something like) section to fill out on the form enclosed with our scrapbook section. I'd assume that would be the source of information for the 'fun fact'.

Sucho: so after 'Tell Tale Heart'? Next year are you going to do 'The Raven' or move on from Poe to Lovecraft?

At 10/14/09 07:01 AM, HonterGames wrote: WIP. Comments and tips are welcome and wanted. Dunno bout quality but there are some finer details which you mightnt be able to see....

Try bringing more black into your piece. If you are going to use grey at all use a 50% or darker grey. That light grey doesn't read at all. Keep an example of that scarface poster open for reference. And look at it often.

The hands seem off too. Mostly the thumbs.

quick example:

At 10/13/09 04:23 AM, SuperSuperKLC wrote: ^^Seriously wtf are you talking? Don't spam here bitch.

How about Treet bitch?

Follow up

It did however make me listen to your music. Liked Shinobi Warriors.

At 10/12/09 07:49 PM, MkieNedachi wrote: These are looking pretty good aren't they. :)

Sometimes we need people to point out we have a boogie in our nose. Unfortunately I usually yell to the surrounding group of people "DUDE! You got a monster nose goblin hanging out yer schnoz"

Furthermore, I actually don't understand the "you eat away my daily submissions" as the joke you, no doubt, intend it to be. I think you need to work on this. Maybe just say "NO FAT CHICKS". It's funnier. But kinda cruel as fat chicks need lovin' too.

I don't normally point out spelling errors. Unless it's funny, ironic, or incessant. Or, as is the case now, a persons sig.

I'm in ND for my brothers wedding. No participation for me. But good luck all. He's actually sitting next to me. Reading over my shoulder. Like a cock. It's unfortunate when you make a typo trying to insult someone. You just look like a douche when you correct it.

And then you take that jackassery up a notch by posting in the wrong topic. So the Mod has to delete you're dumb ass post. I should just stop.

Just wondering what's up?

Le bump. It's a french bump.

Thanks Pox. I just got to say thank god Sucho couldn't win twice.

Good times.

God this is a stupid premise. He committed genocide. GENOCIDE! What could possibly be a grander expression of hatred? Seriously, would Hitler have to have come down and individually piss in their hollowed out eye sockets. What the fuck could anyone do that could be more hateful than genocide? What the hell goes on in your head where genocide isn't an act of hate? God damn. You have got to be joking. This is an exercise in absurdity. Jesus. Read something. It was a secret. The Nazis put out propaganda films for the west about how good the conditions were in the concentration camps. You don't commit a secret genocide for political gain. You are beyond saving. This flies in the face of logic and history. What the fuck did you even mean to say here? This isn't a fucking opinion. You might as well be saying the Earth is flat because you don't see the curve. To say this is up for grabs you'd have to redefine the word 'hate'. If you feel superior enough to someone to murder them; that's fucking HATE goddammit. If you do it by the hundreds and thousands... well do the math...

breathing

I'm sorry if this has been covered. I didn't read the whole topic. I got about 4 or 5 posts down before my brain tried to suck my eyes into my head so I would stop reading this.

I'm not really as furious as all that, but dammit dude that IS dumb. A dangerous kind of dumb. And I enjoy a good rant. Again I didn't read the whole thing but I saw one post that actually seriously considered the premise. And that is one post too many. If I hurt your little feelings I'm not really sorry. Think first next time.

Thanks, I'm flattered. I've stopped thinking I could win these contests long ago. I lose a lot. I hope everyone had as much stupid fun as I did. My roommate Colin looked at me like I was retarded, giggling like an idiot, taking pictures of a folded box with teeth.

J-qb - Thought your cow was hilarious.
butzboprud - I know how that sucks. I entered 3 times to the miniposter contest and didn't place out of the 30 winners.

I know It's long past due, but I'm still playing around with this. This will be my last post here. Don't care if this version is going to be allowed in. But I've got the full size version in my art section, and will be updating it there until I finally feel it's ready to go into the portal.

At 7/25/09 09:42 AM, SaltshakerClock wrote: Quick question, would we be allowed to chop off a corner or two of our creation? I was thinkin of doing a zombie sort of thing, but I'm not sure if I'd be able to do that.

Did you read the rules? They pretty clearly state that you can't. I had an idea about cutting into one too, but I understand why It isn't allowed.

Made a second one without the cardboard backing. WAAAAAAyyyyy easier to put together. And I think it looks better. A bit more fragile, but why does that matter.

Mulder and Scully are on it

My pattern

Please delete the other one. Thanks

some text

Midnight tonight or tomorrow? Just to be clear.

At 7/17/09 07:39 AM, DizzeeRascal wrote: As one person said before in this thread, these interrogators are not looking for confessions, but accurate, useful information. The methods of pain infliction used to get confessions are never used by interrogators looking to get useful intelligence, which is why it's important to make the distinction between the 2 methods of 'torture' and 'coercion'. A simple yet seemingly reliable system is in place that ensures people don't make things up. When inmates in places like Guantanamo give information, it has to be verifiable. It will be checked out, and, if correct they will receive better living conditions. If the information they give is incorrect they will find their living conditions will deteriorate.

I guess I would like you to be more clear. What do you mean Coercion? If by coercion you mean waterboarding then you really mean torture. It's torture. How would you verify the information? Wouldn't that take the same police work as it would take to find the good information in the first place? Even so how does the guy getting tortured know what infromation is still good? What stuff we don't know? And whether or not that stuff will actually get the torture stopped. It just could not have gone down the way you claim. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was tortured 6 times a day for a solid month. That means he either never gave them information, or they never verified a single piece of it to get it stopped. There was no "better living conditions" for Khalid.

For example, in March 2002, Abu Zabadayah was captured by the US. According to published CIA reports, he provided vital information preventing the detonation of a radioactive bomb in the US. He subsequently gave intelligence on the whereabouts of Al-Sibh, a top Al Qaeda operative who was duly captured. Al-Sibh then gave intelligence then gave information leading to the capture of Sheikh Mohammed, the then head of operations for Al Qaeda. From this, it is clear that these methods of coercion are both effective and necessary.

Source please. 'Not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions'

That's not the point. We aren't using it on soldiers, but on terrorists with no national alliance, who aren't exactly going to come forward and plead for their human rights, so I don't see how legally, a case could be made against the US, not saying that that's morally right mind, ket's remember this is a discussion about the application of torture not the moral implications. In any case, nations who would torture US soldiers would probably do so anyway, regardless of whether the US was torturing people or not.

That is the point. I am arguing directly against 'torture as legitimate' stance. You are the one who isn't. If it was legal... How does any other country know we wouldn't use torture on their soldiers? And under that assumption then torture our soldiers?

You are saying it's only legitimate to use on terrorists, then? So if we're at war with N Korea, and we capture a soldier who might know about it's arms program. You wouldn't advocate the use of what you feel is an effective intelligence gathering tool? I think it's even less useful on terrorists because they don't have a chain of command. They work in cells specifically so they can't be taken down as a whole.

At 7/16/09 05:52 PM, DizzeeRascal wrote:

At 5/12/09 11:14 PM, jAk88 wrote: Besides the fact that torture is morally wrong (I don't want to talk about the ethics of torture), I think the case can easily be made for the fact that torture produces results that are unreliable and faulty. Anyone who is innocent of anything can easily become guilty under the threat of torture. They will admit to anything. I'd admit to killing your mother if someone was about to drill holes in my leg.

I think it is very important to make a distinction between 'torture' and 'coercion'. It is now generally accepted by most intelligence agencies, that the infliction of pain on a suspect is not particularly effective at gaining accurate information, but not because people will make things up, although I'm sure that's true in some cases, but because it strengthens their resolve. The fear of the pain, rather than the pain itself is what people are afraid of. Once the pain is inflicted, people begin to believe that they can bear the physical pain, and so become more resilient.

I would argue that these methods of torture are very effective, but are probably not justified. I think torture is permissable in some circumstances, however I don't think whisking people away to 3rd world countries should be happening. Either be transparent about it, or don't do it at all.

I think people absolutely would make shit up. There is no question in my mind. Ever watch cops? It's like that. Everyone who gets caught 'didn't do it'. Or if you fart in an elevator. If people will lie over stupid shit like this why wouldn't they? They have no motivation not to lie.

Furthermore I can think of no instance in which torture should be used. When/How do you see it working?

If we do it, that opens the door for other nations to do it to our soldiers.